GUILTY WA - Six Anderson family members slain in Carnation home, 24 Dec 2007

[oceanblueeyes]

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2004097703_webmcenroe28m.html

Friday, December 28, 2007 - Page updated at 06:11 PM

Carnation suspect hopes victims are "at peace"
By Sara Jean Green

Seattle Times staff reporter

Joseph McEnroe shuffled into a visiting booth on the seventh floor of the King County Jail this afternoon and said he's sorry six members of the Anderson family are now gone and that he regretted cutting contact with his own family.

:doh:

Oh good grief.:innocent: Even here after what all he is done he is yacking it up and its all about poor HIM!

 

[concernedperson]

What a this Joe is. He better understand now that no one is coming to his aid and the victims may be resting in peace but justice can be mighty brutal. And, of course, he deserves a big dose of it.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I hope Ben or another relative takes the dog, it's not the pup's fault it had to witness such a mess. This is a F'd up situation completely. Is there mental illness involved? I have to think it goes deeper than just money, something must have struck at the heart strings of Michelle for her and her boyfriend to do something so horrendous. In one article it stated that she thought her family didn't appreciate her or something to the effect.. in her sick mind, she maybe felt her family didn't love her for whatever reason. This in no way excuses her actions, yet there has to be a deeper psychological reason in her mind aside from a debt her brother owed her that started all this chaos.

I don't think mental illness it at work here. I do believe that both of these people are just very cold, evil people capable of such unspeakable carnage. I do believe that both of them are psychopaths but aren't legally insane by judicial standards.

Many many people have lost their lives due to the need for greed and revenge. Especially when the murderer feels entitlements aren't fulfilled as they were expected. Most of the time I find these kind of murderers completely wrapped up in themselves and have no conscience doing what they do to others.

I see two people that have no compassion or conscience for anyone other than themselves. Their "woe is me" is the only emotion they see. IMO Michelle expected her family to bow down to her every need. IMO Michelle felt respect meant all the family gave into her demands. I think she had a unwalkable line she expected them to walk and when she thought they failed she took them all out one by one methodically. I am sure she and McEnroe fully believed the Anderson family deserved it and they place the blame squarely back on Michele's dead family. As Joe told Ericka when she told him "he didn't have to do this" he flatly told her "yes they do."

This type of evil doesn't come along often but it is out there and it just shows us all how scary it can be when it raises its ugly head.

imoo

 

[oceanblueeyes]

What a this Joe is. He better understand now that no one is coming to his aid and the victims may be resting in peace but justice can be mighty brutal. And, of course, he deserves a big dose of it.

I, for one, think he is telling the truth to what happened even the part about the children.

He reminds me of BTK and seems to relish telling his story. I think it did happen just like he said it did. He wants it known how methodically he helped to eradicate this entire family.

IMO

 

[SuziQ]

On the right side of the below linked article, there is a video of McEnroe talking to reporters. I haven't seen it yet, it was too slow too load. I've got to be at a baptism this morning and I will catch up with you all later.

http://www.king5.com/topstories/stories/NW_122907WAB_carnation_murders_KS.638d9129.html

 

[Taximom]

I must be clicking on the wrong thing, but I can't find the video of JM talking with reporters. Drats.

 

[Jolynna]

I feel sick reading about this. It is especially hard for me now since I just spent a wonderful Christmas with my kids and grandkids. Thinking about how those babies were killed when they were expecting Santa...that is so horrible...

I can't help but put myself in the grandmother's place or the mother's...and to be so helpless and probably knowing what was coming would be unbearable.

 

[montana_16]

I feel sick reading about this. It is especially hard for me now since I just spent a wonderful Christmas with my kids and grandkids. Thinking about how those babies were killed when they were expecting Santa...that is so horrible...

I can't help but put myself in the grandmother's place or the mother's...and to be so helpless and probably knowing what was coming would be unbearable.

All we can be grateful for is the grandparents were gone before their son, daughter-in law and those precious grandchildren were murdered. I hope my meaning is coming out right, I 'm just glad they didn't have to witness them being killed.

 

[PJs]

I almost hope that there are drugs involved. How else could anyone do
something so horrifying??

 

[ThoughtFox]

What a this Joe is. He better understand now that no one is coming to his aid and the victims may be resting in peace but justice can be mighty brutal. And, of course, he deserves a big dose of it.

Holey-Moley - you said it!

Remorse doesn't cut it when you kill family and children at Christmas. :loser:

He'll have his justice - wait till the other prisoners find out what he did. Same for her, and good luck to them in jail.

 

[Reannan]

Try think link to the video SuzieQ mentions above:

http://www.king5.com/video/index.html?nvid=204556

I was able to view it, but it doesn't show McEnroe speaking, it only quotes what we have already heard him say about being sorry. Yea, right!

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I almost hope that there are drugs involved. How else could anyone do
something so horrifying??

Seems like devil worshiping was going on with these two.

http://www.king5.com/topstories/sto...S.638d9129.html

It also states Michele had recently been cutout of the Will.

imo

 

[SuziQ]

Try think link to the video SuzieQ mentions above:

http://www.king5.com/video/index.html?nvid=204556

I was able to view it, but it doesn't show McEnroe speaking, it only quotes what we have already heard him say about being sorry. Yea, right!

I finally got the video to work for me. The title was misleading as Joe does not speak on it. Did you hear the clip of dispatch talking to an (officer?) about the noises on the 911 call?

 

[SuziQ]

Fateful plans probably averted more killings at Carnation home

Boy wanted to visit grandparents on night they were slain


http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/345494_carnation31.html

 

[SuziQ]

(snip)
The autopsies on the bodies have been completed but a King County Medical Examiner's Office spokeswoman said Saturday morning that the information would not be released until next week.

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/345394_carnation30.html

 

[ziggy]

Sorry I haven't been able to read the entire thread, but I noticed in clicking on links that only the boyfriend's picture has been shown. Where is Michelle's mug? She is just as ruthless and cold blooded as he is. I'd like to see her in a perp walk.

 

[Malapoo]

First let me say the boyfriend is in no way innocent, but to me, the MAIN evil here is the female. She was Charles Manson to his Tex Watson. Neither is innocent, but I wonder if some of his reflecting now is indeed "Oh my god, what have I done?" Doesn't excuse him for one second, but I have to wonder if now that he's out from under her thumb, over time he may have remorse? Oh and I do believe you have to "have it in you anyway" to kill even under direction, but I still think the scarier, bigger evil here was the female.

She wasn't one of those who had fantasies that someone else just ran with, she went there to kill with her own hand as well. People who gave birth to her and raised her, a brother to whom she was by reports VERY close to until he married. And they killed the second 4 simply to eliminate witnesses but then wound up coming back and confessing anyway which makes the second series of killings even more useless/senseless.

And why couldn't they have waited until after the visit? Seems they knew the brother's family was coming, so I have to wonder if she intended to kill him as well. If she was only out to kill Mom and Dad, they could have come in the late night or Christmas Day. He's certainly guilty, but she is the one I see as evil incarnate.

 

[joe jones]

I think they have equal responsibility, and it was intentional to kill all the people that were at that house, they waited for Scott and his family, hid the parents body to allay suspiscion until they were in the house and they could kill them,

I firmly believe that if Mary and her children (so far I have seen two boys on the tv) would have suffered the same fate if they were present,

 

[Jolynna]

I think they have equal responsibility, and it was intentional to kill all the people that were at that house, they waited for Scott and his family, hid the parents body to allay suspiscion until they were in the house and they could kill them,

I firmly believe that if Mary and her children (so far I have seen two boys on the tv) would have suffered the same fate if they were present,

I also believe Mary and her children would have suffered the same fate if they had gone there for Christmas.

While I believe BOTH Joe and Michele are equally responsible and both murderers, it WAS Michele's family killed. Joe was helping. But, it was MICHELE'S family.

Whether from her own feelings of inferiority and wanting to hurt back the way she was hurting or WHATEVER the twisted reason, it was MICHELE'S mother, father, brother, niece and nephew that she plotted to kill and participated in killing. Those were members of HER family...they were HER blood relatives. She LITERALLY participated in killing those that raised and LOVED her.

However much they disapproved of the way Michele was living or what she was doing, I KNOW the family LOVED her...whatever the differences and no matter how bad the fights...they DID invite her to Christmas. She HAD been living on the family property for free. As a mother with a daughter, I very much doubt Michele's family LOVED Joe. (They may have possibly blamed him for some of their daughter's perceived shortcomings.)

Just like Joe's mother still loves him, I think Michele's family LOVED her. I think she knew it, too.


In my opinion, that raises Michele's evilness another level.

IMO

 

[Jolynna]

I am not sure the evilness of murdering can be rated, BUT, for some reason, in my mind, there has to be a special placed reserved for those who plan and participate in the killing of those who LOVE you and including among those killed, INNOCENT babies.