WA WA - Sky Metalwala, 2, Bellevue, 6 Nov 2011 - # 7

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  • #61
This is from the last thread:

gitana1 said: "All I know is someone screwed up royally."

gitana -I read your lengthy response to what I posted vis-a-vis that collectively the system and everyone involved failed this boy. I agreed with (nearly) everything you said too...and then, you wrote the above statement.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=154486&page=21

Huh? I certainly think that collectively everyone screwed up. But what do you mean with that? have my curious listening ears on.... Seems essentially we are on the same page. Sure, each person did what they could do given their role, and I fully understand the parameters in which they are required to operate...but collectively, they failed miserably.

Well, if all the players do their best but there is a tie and there are only a few seconds on the clock and one player misses the net, I would not say that collectively, the whole team, failed or that both teams and both coaches and the ref failed.

My point is that the dad and his lawyer, from my perspective as a family law attorney, did everything humanly possible to save those kids. The judge relied, it appears, on a child custody investigation/evaluation report. I have not read the report so I can't tell if the judge blew it or not, if there were red flags in the report that belied the recommendations, so I can't say for certain that the judge screwed up (by deciding the way he or she did based on that report), but it would appear that he or she did. And I can pretty much guarantee, with the benefit of hindsight, that the evaluator royally screwed up.

So I wouldn't say that there was a collective failure. I guess I am placing the blame on a few shoulders - but not all.
 
  • #62
So the 1 bedroom apartments are 2 occupants only, according to a post above from someone who lives there.

Could it really be as simple as she wanted to stay where she was living... and she could only have two people living there?

Could that really be motive to get rid of your child?

If partying or a boyfriend that doesn't want kids can be motive... I wonder if that could be as well...

Honestly, I don't feel like Julia thought rules should apply to her. I don't think she'd "get rid" of Sky because of the apartment. Like shoplifting, like leaving kids alone, even after being cited....it didn't matter to her.
 
  • #63
Does anyone know if LE used a cadavor dog in searching JB's car and apartment?

Apparently not which I find very strange. They used tracking dogs I believe

It's not too late to do it.

It's weird, I didn't go back and look at the pressers but I've seen each one and I could have sworn they said they did not use cadaver dogs. I guess I missed that?

This is so troubling to read about the rollercoaster ride that SM and his two children endured through JB and her bizarre obsessions. I can't imagine why the authorities weren't called when JB refused to feed her child. Or to have it documented how JB wouldn't allow the three of them inside "her home" until she was ready for them to enter. Incredible, but I guess that SM did not want to cause any more disturbances than there already were. Her outbursts must have been embarrassing, to put it mildly. I guess SM really really loved her. Maybe helplessly, or hopelessly? I don't know anyone who would tolerate that outrageous behavior for so long.

IMHO

Boy, I know or have heard of quite a few. In many abuse cases or Munchausen's cases, the dad will try to placate the mom, or roll with it as long as they can, either thinking intervention could make things worse, or out of a sense of shame or the belief that with time and patience, things will get better. Dad did the right thing here, by finally going to the courts to get intervention when it became clear that mom was not going to get better, to accept help or to admit that she was a danger to the kids. Sadly, his intervention did make things worse. Solomon was not believed.

Thanks to the many educated and/or experienced in the mental health area for sharing your knowledge here on Sky's threads.. I believe that what needs to be pointed out here(and that IMO alot of blame could lie in this specific issue) is that just as much as the courts had Solomon begging, pleading, and seemed to be extremely open with Julia's issues, diagnosis, medications, behavioral therapies, etc, etc.. This man by the point of this declaration seems as tho he was so very desperate to get the courts to understand what they were dealing with on all levels.. Including both her mental illness as well as the extremely manipulative and cunning side of Julia which IMO has NOTHING AT ALL TO DO WITH MENTAL ILLNESS..

I totally agree with Rouge in that one can be mentally Ill and yet still seperate from that mental illness have severe personality disorders, or just downright evil souls IMO.. But my point that I want to make that just as hard as Solomon seemed to fighting for The courts to see Julia as an open book all issues including mental illness.. Equally fighting against him was Julia saying she was just fine and perfectly capable of being a great and fit mother.. Solomon in the declaration cAlls out that particular health professional by name and states that this man who clearly had the wool pulled over him by Julia and that was not a psychiatrist trained to deal with the issues Julia had therefor this professional was repeatedly okaying and vouching for Julia's mental health state being a ok and perfectly rosey!! He stated that Julia was perfectly equipped to parent and was in need of no medication..

So, you see as I said it certainly seems to me that for just as hard as Solomon was fighting to show the courts all facets of Julia, especially the one's that he knew and witnessed first hand severely impaired her parenting skills and was for the most part of the children's lives all consuming of Julia and thus leaving her unable to care for her Childs most basic need such as food.. On the other side Julia had found some health professional she could pull the wool over on and that would continue to vouch for her to the courts that she was mentally fine amd perfectly capable..

This is why IMO I feel that the individual who continued to in court docs vouch for her in this way that Solomon was continuing to say this man is not giving the courts an accurate account of Julias mental health.. Well Solomon looked like a hubby scorned and the courts continued to take this health professional at his word.. This IMO is where the actual break down occurred leading to the failure that IMO has cost Sky his life..

I think this person named in the docs needs to questioned and held accountable for his extremely misleading and inaccurate assessment of Julia that IMO was the leading cause that her mental illness claims by Solomon were thrown by the wayside, thus allowing this extremely sick and deviant individual to inflict severe abuses on her two children including very likely being the hands that murdered Solomon's only son..

Would most not agree this health professional that chose to continue to vouch for Julia to the courts was a major part if why the courts did not protect the Metalwala children?

I agree with you but it is clear that it wasn't just this one therapist's beliefs that governed the outcome (although they must have played a major part, as you said). Because Julia was hospitalized several times and those records were examined by the child custody evaluator, along with other evidence. Like I said before, I do hope (I suppose vengefully), that several people are having a hard time sleeping tonight. That therapist is one, the court evaluator/investigator, CPS officials, the judge, all of Julia's friends and family who wrote scathing declarations about Solomon and in favor of her, etc. I suppose I shouldn't be so hateful, because I have seen shrewd but mentally ill people thoroughly scam and snow almost everyone around them. But it's hard to be nice right now when Sky is nowhere to be found.
 
  • #64
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Oh my goodness look how high the totes are stacked. If they fell they would do serious harm especially on a child.
 
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Would most not agree this health professional that chose to continue to vouch for Julia to the courts was a major part if why the courts did not protect the Metalwala children?

It takes a village. And keep in mind that those who are mentally ill may be very well capable of manipulating even the finest of professionals. Based on her Internet postings, seems she worked very hard to portray a fairy tale life as a good mother. I only wish all concerned placed more weight on the father's observations long ago. He knew it best. He loved her too. And he knew the deal. I cannot even imagine this pain he is going through. Such a tragedy, ...and I say this not even knowing where poor baby is right now.
 
  • #67
Also, I looked at the docket in the custody case. She had at least 5 witnesses make statements on her behalf. He didn't. I guess he really did think it was clear she was sick. There were like 150 subjects on that thing. A lot of paper. She was very busy.

What 'docket' are you referring to, and I would love a link, if you have it! Thanks so much!
 
  • #68
Good work, TorisMom003... I still fail to see the importance of this apartment stuff? tho keep in mind I am not known for seeing it all until it is spelled out for me...lol [All Rights Reserved In My Brain]

The main thing I was trying to do was to get a time frame as to when she has lived there. I also was curious about the sleeping arangements as there is a mattress and box spring clearly show in some of the pictures of the living room area. It isn't really important just answers some questions that I had. It also gives me a timeline for events in a way. While others are really good at sleuthing out information that can be found on websites and things like that, I'm pretty good at looking at pictures and seeing if things match up to known places. I've even tried to pinpoint which hotel the kids were at in the pool pictures. Unfortunately no luck with that one.
 
  • #69
(snip) Like I said before, I do hope (I suppose vengefully), that several people are having a hard time sleeping tonight. That therapist is one, the court evaluator/investigator, CPS officials, the judge, all of Julia's friends and family who wrote scathing declarations about Solomon and in favor of her, etc. I suppose I shouldn't be so hateful, because I have seen shrewd but mentally ill people thoroughly scam and snow almost everyone around them. But it's hard to be nice right now when Sky is nowhere to be found.

Oh I so agree with you. AND I don't interpret your sentiments to be particular hateful -just on target. I get mad at all these unwitting enablers as well... Such naive adults. Living in La La land. This will be a big "aha" moment for many who thought they knew what they knew. I have know doubt that many of them love Julia -The Dad did too. The family and friends? I understand their blindfolds. But the professionals? Come on. SHAME ON THEM! I am horrifically sad tho, that all of them will learn this lesson at the expense of this wonderful beautiful boy. ("Dude" -I so believe that he is a little dude, super cool fun baby boy:-))))
 
  • #70
After looking at the website for the apartment complex there were some things that I noted.

1. I can't find the floor plan that JB has based on pictures of the kids that she has on her flickr account. This isn't really a big deal though as there are other photos during the same time frame that definately were taken in that apartment complex.

2. M's 4th birthday party was held on Dec. 12, 2010 and it was definately in the club room at the Veloce Apartments. The furniture matches up as well as the fireplace.

3. December 1, 2010 M and Sky are photographed in the "communal computer room" at the Veloce Apartments. Not only does the furniture match up, so does the lamp and the art on the wall. LE may need to somehow check those computers for information as to what JB was doing while on line that she may not have done on her own computer, if she has one.

I did notice that the countertop in the apartment that the kids were photographed in, has the same material and color used that I saw in other photos of kitchens in the apartment complex.

Can you email LE this info? You never know if it could help. :)
 
  • #71
God, I am so ANGRY right now, I have to step away. <Modsnip>. Poor Sky, I wanna SCREAM!!!!

We have talked a lot about the peripherals of the case and the underlying sheisse, etc... but hey -does anyone at all have any clue as to how to WEBSLEUTH where this boy is, what she might have done with him. Any logical, fact based theories at all? I got nothing. I can imagine that you all are like me and are just sitting there with your jaws on the floor. What can ya'all uncover that might help police in their efforts? Anyone? I am not that clever, but willing to try...gimme an assignment and I will do it after work tomorrow! Please -what can WE do here????
 
  • #72
Can you email LE this info? You never know if it could help. :)

I sent it in. I'm not sure if it will be of any help or not but I'm willing to try anything that may hopefully bring some answers and find Sky.
 
  • #73
I sent it in. I'm not sure if it will be of any help or not but I'm willing to try anything that may hopefully bring some answers and find Sky.

Thank you! I hope we get some answers later today. Have a good night. Praying Sky will soon be found.
 
  • #74
Forgive me for not understanding some of the legal business back and forth between these two, but did the court basically disregard Dad's statements about Mom's illness and symptoms?
 
  • #75
Forgive me for not understanding some of the legal business back and forth between these two, but did the court basically disregard Dad's statements about Mom's illness and symptoms?

That what it looks like, considering she had custody of the two kids.
 
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ooh interesting comment underneath that picture now.I wonder if that is one of her friends,claiming JB does NOT have OCD.
 
  • #78
2 people out of Julia's 127 friends have Sky's missing poster as their icon.

TWO out of more than ONE HUNDRED.

I am thinking of all the other cases... where the siblings, parents, boyfriend had a friends list that was covered in the missing poster.

Maybe many of the people on her friends list are unaware of the situation. Or maybe they just aren't that close...
 
  • #79
2 people out of Julia's 127 friends have Sky's missing poster as their icon.

TWO out of more than ONE HUNDRED.

I am thinking of all the other cases... where the siblings, parents, boyfriend had a friends list that was covered in the missing poster.

Maybe many of the people on her friends list are unaware of the situation. Or maybe they just aren't that close...

...or maybe they're not really friends :waitasec: just online gamers.
 
  • #80
2 people out of Julia's 127 friends have Sky's missing poster as their icon.

TWO out of more than ONE HUNDRED.

I am thinking of all the other cases... where the siblings, parents, boyfriend had a friends list that was covered in the missing poster.

Maybe many of the people on her friends list are unaware of the situation. Or maybe they just aren't that close...

...and the 2 that do have indian names,so IMO it's safe to say they are from the Dad's side of the family.
 
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