WA WA - Sky Metalwala, 2, Bellevue, 6 Nov 2011 - # 8

[Backwoods]

(I have followed along intermittently and missed her string of diagnoses. This explains a lot.)

Her depression could be situational r/t her severe OCD, but this diagnosis more likely came from the depressive side of her bipolar disorder.

Here is the big problem in treating OCD patients who are also bipolar: Antidepressents (the older ones and SSRIs) are effective in controlling symptoms of OCD, BUT they are risky/tricky to prescribe to bipolar patients.

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If Julia was placed on SSRIs for her depression or for her OCD and she was not being frequently assessed/meds adjusted, she could have been manic when Sky disappeared. She might still be manic.

snipped you a little for space and bbm: extremely important consideration here! (in fact, your whole post is, IMO)

 

[claudicici]

Like others have stated before I really wonder about J's upbringing.I'm sure we would find a lot of the answers into her declining mental state there.I do suspect that she grew up poor and there was probably some sort of abuse most likely sexual but not necessarily.We're already hearing about a complicated relationship between her and her mother and I'm just thinking uuughh please not another Cindy/Casey type scenario.I wonder if she is staying with her mother now?

 

[Pensfan]

Dad goes into this in some detail in his statement. Briefly: they had a successful business. It was hurt by a competetor and then hammered by this recession. Her behavior and demands certainly contributed, but his financial statement indicates that they would be having problems regardless. MMO, etc

I was wondering about the very expensive home that they had purchased and if she pressured him into purchasing it.

dh had a professor who went off his Lithium and purchased 3 Winnebago Motor Homes in one day. He bought a big one for long vacation trips, a medium size one for shorter trips, and a small one for some other reason.

 

[dillysmom11]

based upon my personal & past professional experience (as well as my spiritual experience), i refuse to laugh at, ridicule, or condemn those who suffer from mental illness. Nor will i call the mentally ill "psycho" or "crazy" or any of the other pejorative terms that have been posted here.

thank you!!!!!!

 

[Camille]

Respectfully, he is not the one that left his 2 year-old son on the side of the road in an unlocked vehicle for over an hour while he was ill.

He sure did leave him in a parking lot in a parked car in the middle of winter though.

 

[SwampMama]

I just feel like that horrible parents now know that they can get rid of their kids and as long as the body isn't found, (or is found only after it is too decomposed to give a cause of death) that they can get off scott free and even gain attention and become a media sensation over night, get a book deal and PROFIT from it.

Caylee's Law (about parents being held responsible if the child disappears under their care and they can't offer a plausible reason why or simply fail to report it or lie, or refuse to cooperate) really needs to be enforced.

No I know it can be a tricky thing because of cases like Jaclyn Dowaliby where the parents were innocent and railroaded.

But in cases such as Casey Anthony or the Elizabeth Johnson/Baby Gabriel (which infuriates me!) and this one where the parent absolutely refuses to cooperate or was completely negligent when the child disappeared like Sky, there needs to be SOMETHING that can be done.

If your child disappears when you are being negligent then that is criminal negligence and needs to be charged as such and prosecuted to the fullest.

Parents should not be able to shrug, say they don't know where the kid is and be able to walk the streets freely with no consequences. Maybe you can't get them for murder but they can be charged with criminal negligence, false reporting, lying, whatever to keep them from just killing their child and going on with life as if nothing happened.

I am just so frustrated seeing this happen again and again. Children are not disposable!!

Remember the funny line Bill Cosby used to say about parents telling the unruly child "I brought you into this world and I'll take you right out of it" (or something like that). Sadly some parents take it seriously and feel they have a right to do dispose of their kid and expect no consequences at all. It is sickening!!:furious::furious:

 

[kiwijayne]

He sure did leave him in a parking lot in a parked car in the middle of winter though.

Yes he seemed to have learnt his lesson where she did not.

 

[Camille]

So if Solomon wasn't allowed to use the restroom at his own home where did he go first thing in the morning and just before he went to...well not bed but made up bed on the floor. At the house they had a yard but what about when they lived in the condo? Did he just trot next door or down the street or ..well what?

 

[kiwijayne]

So if Solomon wasn't allowed to use the restroom at his own home where did he go first thing in the morning and just before he went to...well not bed but made up bed on the floor. At the house they had a yard but what about when they lived in the condo? Did he just trot next door or down the street or ..well what?

Public restroom, relatives or perhaps his workplaces bathroom facilities?

 

[Camille]

Public restroom, relatives or perhaps his workplaces bathroom facilities?

I dunno, I'm just asking. Sometimes I have to get up in the middle of the night and sometimes my stomach gets upset ... if he wants to tell that story I would like to hear all of it.

 

[SmoothOperator]

I really really don't think we need to know where the man was forced to go urinate due to a severely ill woman controlling their homelife, specifically the toilet in this issue and forbidding this man, her husband, the father of her children to be able to use the toilet in the home/condo for which he busted his azz to pay for and provide.. It's a humiliating detail that obviously by his reaction to the question is still to this day extremely difficult to even talk about.. Jmo..

 

[pdxmama]

I dunno, I'm just asking. Sometimes I have to get up in the middle of the night and sometimes my stomach gets upset ... if he wants to tell that story I would like to hear all of it.

I didn't get the impression that it was a story he really wanted to tell. Remember, those details originally came out in his declaration made to the court in his divorce/ custody proceedings. I seriously doubt he ever thought it would be national news and he looked seriously uncomfortable being asked about it.

 

[Irish_Eyes]

A poster upstream got me thinking...with this case, Baby Lisa, Baby Tyler just today....it's too early to know exactly what happened, but I am frightened at the possibility that one or more of these cases could be attributed to the "Casey effect."

That is to say the following: In that debacle in Pinellas, Dr. G. testified that parents call 911 when their child has an accident, and the fact that 911 was not called for Caylee and she was thrown away like trash suggested homicide. But Casey still got off.

Perhaps what Dr. G. said was true at the time. And perhaps now, a few maladjusted parents whose children suffered harm, either intentionally or by accident, look at their available options and think...I'll just stage a kidnapping and feign ignorance - it worked for ICA....

I don't know where these cases will all end up, but I do NOT believe that all of these babies in this short time were stranger abductions from home (or car).

 

[Madilu]

pdxmama...I'm a PDX'er too...and my comment is not in regard to your last comment, and I admittedly have not read the last pages of this thread -but aren't you seeing another Terri Horman story here -boy goes missing, Mom clams up, hires top crminal defense attorney, Dad is left holding the ball, and the little girl in the balance... and so this could go on for months and months, just like with Kyron. It makes me sick to my stomach. Honestly. How are these <Mod Snip> people so clever as to fool so many [professionals AND civilians] for so long? Really??? Are we all just not SICK enough to figure it out?

 

[pdxmama]

pdxmama...I'm a PDX'er too...and my comment is not in regard to your last comment, and I admittedly have not read the last pages of this thread -but aren't you seeing another Terri Horman story here -boy goes missing, Mom clams up, hires top crminal defense attorney, Dad is left holding the ball, and the little girl in the balance... and so this could go on for months and months, just like with Kyron. It makes me sick to my stomach. Honestly. How are these <Mod Snip> people so clever as to fool so many [professionals AND civilians] for so long? Really??? Are we all just not SICK enough to figure it out?

That has definitely crossed my mind. A lot of people are speculating that LE is using very specific tactics to try to break JB and get her to tell the truth about little Sky but I felt like there was a lot of pressure placed on Terri Horman and look where that got us. When Terri gave up custody of her baby girl I thought, that's it, that's the last bargaining chip, she's never going to tell now and I'm very worried that the same scenario may play out here. I hope that's not the case.

Little Kyron haunts me and so does the fact that someone could be so evil as to never give his parents any peace by letting them know where their little boy is.

 

[Madilu]

I mean really, how in the WHO can these people fool family, friends, police, FBI, etc.etc....the whole public... HOW are they doing this? I am pretty smart for all practical purposes, a professional working woman with a 4.0 gpa from grad school and I don't have the foggiest how the who these evil people are pulling off these disappearances of their children, undetected. Do they sit here and laugh at all of our sleuthing and theorizing? --I always wonder that... "oh, that one is close...now that one knows what she is talking about... now that one is so far off it's funny..." (you all know what I mean....) The mother knows where Sky is. Period. Just like Terri Horman knows where Kyron is. Can you tell I am a tad angry about these two Northwest Pacific boys and what has happened to them at the hands of their, "so called" mothers??

 

[pdxmama]

I mean really, how in the WHO can these people fool family, friends, police, FBI, etc.etc....the whole public... HOW are they doing this? I am pretty smart for all practical purposes, a professional working woman with a 4.0 gpa from grad school and I don't have the foggiest how the who these evil people are pulling off these disappearances of their children, undetected. Do they sit here and laugh at all of our sleuthing and theorizing? --I always wonder that... "oh, that one is close...now that one knows what she is talking about... now that one is so far off it's funny..." (you all know what I mean....) The mother knows where Sky is. Period. Just like Terri Horman knows where Kyron is. Can you tell I am a tad angry about these two Northwest Pacific boys and what has happened to them at the hands of their, "so called" mothers??

I am right there with you. It seems a lack of evidence and a lack of conscience goes a long way. In this case though we have a mom who has admitted to leaving her little boy on the side of the road as well as admitted to leaving both of her children alone for extended periods of time. If we don't see an arrest for child neglect, at the very least, I may completely lose it.

 

[Madilu]

Pdxmama... I agree with you, giving up custody of Kiara was the last chip -she has nothing more to lose. And so it shall play out with Julia I fear -tho I hope not, for everyone's sake. However, I cannot see her conceivably regaining custody of girl after this. In no fashion whatsoever. And Dad will struggle to put pieces back together of a broken family, just at Kaine...and we will not know where Sky is for a very long time. Again I ask -how can these evil people be so much more clever than all professionals involved...and even all civilians, family, friends. I mean, that is so scary, imo. you know?

 

[cluciano63]

Not to derail, but I am not convinced that Terri Horman knows where Kyron is. She did speak with LE for 3 weeks before hiring a lawyer, which is far longer than in these recent cases, and only then because it was insinuated that she was hiring a hit man...something that has never been charged. In Lisa's case, her parents only gave LE about 4 days of cooperation, it seems and they have never been accused of anything by LE. But that is just my opinion...

Anyway, I have always felt it is far too easy to hide a body, and a child's body that much easier. There is no way of knowing how many currently missing children have actually been victims of their parents, since they have never been found. That is partly why I found Dr. G.'s statement to be rather meaningless. JMO

 

[Madilu]

Here is what fascinates me -everyone (all the news, NG, etc.) says, and goes on and on about the "factoids" that the mother left the baby in the car unattended for one hour that morning. NG, for one, goes on and on about "how can you leave your baby for one second, let alone a sick baby [when with my twins I can't stand to be away ... etc.etc.etc.?" -but everyone states it as FACT -i.e that Sky was left alone for one hour on Sunday morning along while Mom and sister where venturing off for gas. It is consistently stated as FACT. How do they KNOW this, and why do they REPORT THIS? IMO, this is NOT IN THE SLIGHTEST a fact. This is a fairy tale that the mentally ill mother states. So many have gone on and on and on about how a Mom can leave a kid in the car, but I don't think it ever happened at all. Solomon himself said that as soon as a kid even pooped a diaper, that it would be removed from the apartment straight away. Does anyone think that she kept around a dead body in her apartment for one second in her mentally ill, OCD state? Seems that would just about kill her.

I don't think he was in the car at all that day...jmho