WA - Unidentified Male: "Lyle Stevik", Grays Harbor, 17 Sept 2001 - #3

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But most people simply don't care about religion though in France.


This is an off-topic reply to an off-topic reply, but there are over 4 million muslims in France right now, which equals almost 10 percent of the population there. From what I've experienced, these people care a LOT about their religion.
 
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I believe ccm stated at some point in one of these threads that Lyle's fingerprints and DNA were run through databases in the USA and Canada for both missing persons AND wanted criminals and the results were negative. Of course he could be wanted abroad, but ccm stated all his clothing were brands found in North America, so who knows.
Was there a suitcase full of clothes or just what he was wearing? If someone could repost:D :D :D the evidence thus far it may help me catch up faster:D :D :D
 
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Was there a suitcase full of clothes or just what he was wearing? If someone could repost:D :D :D the evidence thus far it may help me catch up faster:D :D :D


I think the posts were in the last Lyle thread, but they were individual responses from ccm. I don't have time to go through them one by one but they're there.

Lyle didn't have any luggage that was found, anyway. Just the clothes on his back according to ccm.
 
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I think the posts were in the last Lyle thread, but they were individual responses from ccm. I don't have time to go through them one by one but they're there.

Lyle didn't have any luggage that was found, anyway. Just the clothes on his back according to ccm.
Thanks!
 
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It depends which kind I guess there are some biggots in all religions but in France most people are catholic and they really don't care about such things that it be burial or the religion of who they marry. But most people simply don't care about religion though in France.
wasn't sure because what I have been reading it sounds like there are standards.

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/14326b.htm

I didn't know if there were different levels of devoutness(is that a word?)
 
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Lol, I hope it isn't me, I was starting to wonder, well personally, I don't feel people are arguing that much. They just disagree not as if they were calling each others names. And disagreement is not argument. I still think race is important but now really I start to wonder if I shouldn't look at wanted people rather than missing ones. Well anyway when I don't find anything about a doe I start looking for another. I have this bad tendency though like most to look a lot for some but not for others and maybe if I spent one tenth of the time I spend on very few on another I'd find sthg. But there aren't so many that have real clues to their identity. Actually I do know he could be Arabic I just mentionned it for other people to also look at that possibility, there are enough Arabic people in France for me to know what they look like, Arabic people can look very different from one area to another. To me as long as he is dark complected it is fairly possible. Whatever his race was though hazel eyes are pretty rare for dark complected people. I really don't think though that we can deduce that he was adopted, that his family isn't looking for him or whatever I have seen many cases of Does actually most of them in which there was a missing person report and a family longing for answers.

No! I enjoy reading your posts.
I have wondered if you own this site:
http://meyahna.tripod.com/index.html
 
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I love the identified persons memorial pages- it's nice to see what they looked like and it shows that they deserve to be remembered
 
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I found a PM for Lyle that was from the Ukraine- I already emailed it to Steve Shumate

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1415dmukr.html
I don't think we should send ANYTHING in as a lead or a tip if we haven't thoroughly gone over it here. The doenetwork shot in your post looks nothing like Lyle and I don't understand why you would send it in as a possibility?!

Websleuths is gaining in reputation as a legitimate site to work with LE and we need to be careful we do not innundate any office with unneccessary things. They simply will not put any stock into what we do send them in the future which could be pertinent to the case.

On other threads, we try to have specific person stay in contact with LE, but we work on the tips together to come to a consensus before we send them in. This way LE doesn't have 20 people from this site to respond to and we can narrow down leads beforehand which they have to sift through. LE has been appreciative and has responded well to WS.

Let's work together to find the Identity of Lyle and let's maintain a good working relationship with the detective in charge of his case.

Also, it isn't at all good to take ideas or results of searches from other forums. They developed their own and consider it their "work". (This is the reason Out was given a 7 day suspension from another site.) They want to protect their members which we should respect. If we work hard on a case and people take our theories it might cause real problems. WSers, imo, want to be held to a higher standard to gain respect from other sites, as well as LE and other agencies.
 
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I sent in the PM based on the missing man's Vital Statistics- not because of his appearance
 
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I agree SS, you're right about not burdening LE with wild goose chases.

Also about that Ukranian man, the photo isn't too great but from what I can see, he has earlobes.

I also think it is important to remember that trying to discover Lyle's identity isn't a game. He was a real person and because of that, deserves to be treated with respect. Some of the stuff I've read here and in the other threads is totally off the wall. It is important to stick to the facts as we know them, work from there and hope that they will reveal something.

Since I live in Washington, I will also tell you that the Sheriff's Department in Gray's Harbor County is SMALL. That county is not rich and so we must regard the Detective's time as PRECIOUS time that should not be wasted on trivial and outlandish theories. Time is money for small communities like that one and wasted time on leads that are not probable also takes time away from leads that are good and may help to identify Lyle.
 
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I also think it is important to remember that trying to discover Lyle's identity isn't a game. He was a real person and because of that, deserves to be treated with respect. Some of the stuff I've read here and in the other threads is totally off the wall. It is important to stick to the facts as we know them, work from there and hope that they will reveal something.
Since I live in Washington, I will also tell you that the Sheriff's Department in Gray's Harbor County is SMALL. That county is not rich and so we must regard the Detective's time as PRECIOUS time that should not be wasted on trivial and outlandish theories. Time is money for small communities like that one and wasted time on leads that are not probable also takes time away from leads that are good and may help to identify Lyle.
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I agree with you totally rmf. There has been too much nonsense on here about some things. We all have our own opinions but haggling over them isn't solving anything.[/SIZE]
IMO :rolleyes: :rolleyes: [/SIZE]
 
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I agree with SS as well; gaining the respect of Law Enforcement is key in this cause. And it can be very difficult to do, just because they do have so many tips and leads from so many different people and organizations. To stand out from the crowd and be considered by LE as a viable resource is a great success that should be carefully cultivated, especially in a group setting such as this.

It was for this reason that The Doe Network decided to implement Area Directors, to keep track of all the leads for their regions and obtain and maintain the LE contact there. LE always knew who they were dealing with and what to expect, which is the root of DoeNet's success.

I'm not saying at all that this is what WS should do, and become another DoeNet, I am simply saying that when submitting pm's etc to LE, it should be a unified effort, with the right hand knowing just what the left is doing so no one is repeating what others have done.

This group has a much nicer atmosphere than the Doe Network members group does; it would be nice to see it gain as much success with LE.
 
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This is an off-topic reply to an off-topic reply, but there are over 4 million muslims in France right now, which equals almost 10 percent of the population there. From what I've experienced, these people care a LOT about their religion.

Geez, lol, there aren't 10% muslims in France. And still 90% would still be "most". But I was thinking when writing about what I had heard about some Americans thinking that and thought someone might mention it. Anyway I dk what they're doing there I was talking about Catholics. And there are at least 60 million people in France.

I agree Kaylen, I was wow when I was sent his pic to put on my site, I thought he really looked like 233umwa that's why recently I made a listing of Romanian sites. I still have to add them on my site.
 
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And no nothing to do about pop ups my pop ups blocker usually blocks them well though but it might be because it already has blocked most of them as I often go on it. I like the identified pages too, I also did it to show people that it really could be anybody ending like a Doe, there are really of every kind.
 
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