WA - Unidentified Male: "Lyle Stevik", Grays Harbor, 17 Sept 2001 - #3

[superunknown]

there's an email listed on that site, you might be able to find out :innocent:

LE and I have a plan of action that I'm going to follow for now but they are also on my list.

Thanks for the posts, you are all great.

 

[dark_shadows]

To my very dearset Rmf,:blowkiss:
Wonderful news and I am so very proud of you.

Your hard work means so much to all. With all of my heart..thank-you.

So much Love and Respect for you,
dark_shadows

 

[Bluecat]

Great work RMF - I'm trying to look up Navajo beliefs about suicide, and I stumbled upon an interesting paper - unfortunately it is over 10 years old, but it referenced a couple of things that may reinforce the theory.

1. Of the suicides studied, the Navajo group had a male-to-female ratio of 9.8:1 vs. 4:1 nationally. It was noted that of those suicides studied, the researcher concluded that most of the suicides were impulsive (perhaps exacerbated by alcohol), so that is a point of difference I guess.

2. It was noted that since in Navajo belief it is very bad to see a dead body, most suicides happened away from the home. In some cases, the suicide was done in a place where an enemy could not help but find the body, and in that way the person would enact revenge. This would support Lyle's having traveled away to do this. He may have been intentionally misleading in order to ensure that his family would never ever know about his death but assume that he had cut times and was living off the reservation somewhere.

I hope that this line of inquiry is fruitful. It woud be nice to put Lyle to rest.

 

[superunknown]

^^^
Wow, bluecat, that is really, really interesting!!!! Thanks for posting that info. As I said, there is no guarantee on this theory but it's worth a try and luckily LE agree it is worth checking into.

 

[cold case lady]

GREAT WORK!
Interesting find! :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:
can you tell me much about the navajo indian's or do you have a link to any photos?

 

[KT Can]

Great work RMF & Bluecat!!!

Was searching around on net tonight & I came across this guy, not sure if he's been looked at yet.....

http://charleyproject.org/cases/t/tsosie_kelvin.html

 

[Al_B]

with the microtia wouldn't the be scarring from ear repair?
just asking
http://www.microtia.com/

 

[Babyslims]

somehow I was searching for "missing son" and an article on Hiram Torres popped up, I see there's tons of articles but cant find a real picture of him...

http://www.yaleherald.com/article-p.php?Article=185

 

[superunknown]

with the microtia wouldn't the be scarring from ear repair?
just asking
http://www.microtia.com/

Good question. If you read the medical websites, Microtia is found in varying degrees of severity; from severe malformation of the ear to the less severe absence of the lower earlobes. Lyle's has the milder form, he was just missing the lower part of his earlobes which would have probably made surgery unnecessary.

 

[Al_B]

ok but looking at the autopsy photos it look like he had lobes but thay were attached as opposed to none at all

 

[superunknown]

ok but looking at the autopsy photos it look like he had lobes but thay were attached as opposed to none at all

From what I've learned he did not have the LOWER bulby part of the earlobe which is a mild form of microtia.

 

[Al_B]

http://www.windows.ucar.edu/earth/Life/images/earlobes.jpg http://www.jbhs.k12.nf.ca/biology/EARS.HTM
free hanging and attached lobes

lyles lobes

 

[Chloekins]

Good question. If you read the medical websites, Microtia is found in varying degrees of severity; from severe malformation of the ear to the less severe absence of the lower earlobes. Lyle's has the milder form, he was just missing the lower part of his earlobes which would have probably made surgery unnecessary.

Im not exactly sure where the idea that this gentleman has microtia came from. It is a stretch to even call it mild microatia. Is someone basing this dx on the fact that he had attached earlobes? There is a big difference between a congenital deformity and attached earlobes.

If I remember correctly from Human Genetics (taken many years ago) attached earlobes are most common in the east Asian peoples.

On a side note, he looks eastern European to me. Possibly Croatian or Bosnian. Im not seeing Native American at all.

 

[outofthedark]

Possibly Croatian or Bosnian.

I thought Bosnian too, maybe Turkish. His facial structure appears European to me for some reason

Someone should do another reconstruction of him where his nasal bridge looks different because I have a feeling that he has the same nose as I do, but he seems to have broken his nose at one point and it never healed properly

 

[Teresa Larson]

He is too tall to be an Asian. They are small people.

 

[Gina_M]

He is too tall to be an Asian. They are small people.

In general, yes, but there are exceptions. One of the world's tallest men is Chinese:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bao_Xishun

I also went to school with some tall people from the Philippines.

 

[Al_B]

If I knew more of my daughters heritage I'd suggest those because somehow they both ended up with attached lobes and they did not get them from me. I think they have german and some native american but no sure what else(they have those 2 from my side 2 and their dad had the attaches lobes I might carry the recessive gene)

 

[Angie4b1g]

This is more than I'd ever thought about earlobes, by far.

So are we now saying he HAD earlobes, they were just attached?

 

[Al_B]

I posted his lobe above along with 2 others one attached and one free hanging

 

[Chloekins]

In general, yes, but there are exceptions. One of the world's tallest men is Chinese:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bao_Xishun

I also went to school with some tall people from the Philippines.

Some of the tribes from Siberia that have mongol descent are very tall and big boned. Genetics are always a gamble, you dont have to look like your ancesters.