WA - Unidentified Male: "Lyle Stevik", Grays Harbor, 17 Sept 2001 - #4

[Roselvr]

really wish they would get his family DNA done at 23andme

 

[Ambercat]

Well, I finally purchased and read "You Must Remember This" by Joyce Carol Oates, hoping to find some glimpse of why our Lyle might have associated with this book's character of the same name.

A brief summary of the book can be found at http://www.nytimes.com/books/00/04/02/specials/oates-remember.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

I'll quote here a brief section of the aforementined article that specifically mentions Lyle:

Lyle is different. Though he has none of Felix's adrenaline or Enid's single-mindedness, he is memorable. For in Lyle, Ms. Oates has given failure a habitation and a name. We feel the punishing sameness of his routines; we sit with him through the beers and shots that blur them for a few hours. His decline begins when a McCarthyite zealot denounces him as a Communist sympathizer because he keeps books in his shop and knows where the Soviet Union is. Lyle's morale never fully recovers from the police interrogation. And later, when a pretty client rejects his attentions, he all but collapses.

Of note, the character Lyle is not the one involved in an incestuous relationship (in fact he has no knowledge of it), nor does he actually kill himself in the book. However, he does contemplate hanging himself with a rope at least twice during the course of the novel.

Lyle takes solace in the fact that he has a basement in his store where he stores a length of rope behind a packing case. It's his "refuge" and his "sanctuary." He thinks of how people that know him see him as "a vigorous tireless ebuillient soul, a go-getter" but laments that "Lyle Stevick was otherwise, phony and tattered..." His desperate prayer, like that of Lear, was "O let me not be mad, not mad, sweet heaven!," and he was extremely worried about thermonuclear war, even going into debt in order to build a bomb shelter in the backyard for his family.

It's difficult to speculate upon why our Lyle might have associated himself with the literary Lyle, especially because Lyle Stevick was one of the more minor characters in the book. In fact he was a middle aged man and father of four. If our Lyle had identified with literary Lyle's half-brother Felix, we would have all kinds of titillating scenarios to wonder about. The only thing that really stood out to me is the underlying current of death throughout the novel. Other characters deal with an attempted suicide, an abortion, a presumed mafia-related murder, serious illness, and deadly and near-deadly accidents and beatings.

I have to wonder if our Lyle really identified with the book's Lyle Stevick, or if he had simply read the book recently and liked the name. :waitasec:

I haven't read You Must Remember This :blushing:, is there any way that someone could give me a bit more information about the presumed mafia-related murder in the book? Why I ask is because for a while, I noticed a missing person from New York, Carmine Gargano Jr, whose height is the same as "Lyle's" and if he was a lot slimmer, I believe he would look like "Lyle" (he even looks like he has a unibrow similar to Lyle's). One of the larger problems with Carmine is that he is believed to be the victim of foul play -- but then when I read your synopsis of the book, I wondered if there was a connection somewhere?

https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/9571/48

 

[goldiegirl]

Wow, good catch Ambercat! A thinner version of this man certainly would look like Lyle. One more thing, though - he was last seen 7 years before Lyle was found. This might make sense, though, if he was running/hiding from something, not using his real name, and jumping from motel to motel this whole time. Maybe whatever it was was about to catch up with him, or he got tired of running for 7 years?

ETA: Wait, I just noticed something. Eye color. Doesn't it look like Carmine has brown eyes, and "Lyle" blue?

 

[dotr]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucSZZTcFH_g

A video about "Cali" is in the stages of process, don't know when I'll do it though...

Bumping for Lyle with this posted video which gives the facts about the case quickly and clearly.
Actually had a fresh idea after watching the bit about Lyle only going out once for a newspaper on the day he died.It just occurred to me that maybe something in that paper was the pushing point for Lyle.
If one was planning on committing suicide, why have an interest in the future or even the day's events in the daily newspaper?
So, I wonder if Lyle responded to a negative review of something he may have created or worked on such as, a book, play,film or concert - maybe the newspaper confirmed a death, a marriage, a birth, or even the name of a crime suspect?

 

[Lins1983]

Wow great idea dotr!! Yeah he could have read something that sent him over the edge.

 

[Roselvr]

Bumping for Lyle with this posted video which gives the facts about the case quickly and clearly.
Actually had a fresh idea after watching the bit about Lyle only going out once for a newspaper on the day he died.It just occurred to me that maybe something in that paper was the pushing point for Lyle.
If one was planning on committing suicide, why have an interest in the future or even the day's events in the daily newspaper?
So, I wonder if Lyle responded to a negative review of something he may have created or worked on such as, a book, play,film or concert - maybe the newspaper confirmed a death, a marriage, a birth, or even the name of a crime suspect?

Wonder if they still have the newspaper

 

[Owutatangledweb]

I am new to this thread and have not read everything, just ran across the following thread and wondered if Chad Leo Erickson from Canada had been considered.

CANADA Canada - Laurentian Hills @ Deep River ON - WhtMale 334UMON, 28-40, Sep'01 *GRAPHIC* - Page 11 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

 

[momrids6]

Ok- still in thread one: so excuse me if someone already has mentioned these things:

His unibrow is a recessive genetic trait- like his missing earlobes

Frank Stevick lived in Grays Harbor Washington in 1911, 1912. Navy 1918 Seattle; Seattle for a few more years.
There is a Stevick living in Washington with somewhat similar features ( relative?) Some of surname looks to have moved to Idaho from Washington.

In the note, it seems there is a spot in Stevik where the pen was lifted, almost like a space- between the I and the K. And the I looks like he stopped early - hesitation? and the K is off in terms of "straightness" ( the address is pretty straight)
Could he purposefully eliminated the C; or could he be Steven K Lyle? Some Lyles are members of the Tulalip tribe. Or is he Lyle Stev (i ?)---? and he stopped writing his full last name?

The pacing on the highway- and then the staying a few days; could he have been waiting for someone who did not show up- and that was the final straw?

 

[dotr]

Ok- still in thread one: so excuse me if someone already has mentioned these things:

His unibrow is a recessive genetic trait- like his missing earlobes

Frank Stevick lived in Grays Harbor Washington in 1911, 1912. Navy 1918 Seattle; Seattle for a few more years.
There is a Stevick living in Washington with somewhat similar features ( relative?) Some of surname looks to have moved to Idaho from Washington.

In the note, it seems there is a spot in Stevik where the pen was lifted, almost like a space- between the I and the K. And the I looks like he stopped early - hesitation? and the K is off in terms of "straightness" ( the address is pretty straight)
Could he purposefully eliminated the C; or could he be Steven K Lyle? Some Lyles are members of the Tulalip tribe. Or is he Lyle Stev (i ?)---? and he stopped writing his full last name?

The pacing on the highway- and then the staying a few days; could he have been waiting for someone who did not show up- and that was the final straw?

Thanks for the great info! Wondering if the writing " hesitation" was to decide if the letter C was in the name Stevik, as you suggested.
Also agree about the possibility of waiting for someone on the highway that never showed up - came on thread to post exactly that, which was a better alternative to Lyle building "courage" to fling himself into traffic.


If he was waiting for someone, it would be quite something if that person turned out to be " Brett Stone".

 

[Lins1983]

wait! whos brett stone? what did i miss?

 

[momrids6]

Bumping for Lyle with this posted video which gives the facts about the case quickly and clearly.
Actually had a fresh idea after watching the bit about Lyle only going out once for a newspaper on the day he died.It just occurred to me that maybe something in that paper was the pushing point for Lyle.
If one was planning on committing suicide, why have an interest in the future or even the day's events in the daily newspaper?
So, I wonder if Lyle responded to a negative review of something he may have created or worked on such as, a book, play,film or concert - maybe the newspaper confirmed a death, a marriage, a birth, or even the name of a crime suspect?

BBM: how about the classifieds? People put messages in the Personals, and I know our city paper had a section for Dating.

And I am with you- I don't think he would throw himself into traffic- too considerate (his suicide was neat)

 

[dotr]

wait! whos brett stone? what did i miss?

Sorry about that, Brett Stone is a moniker for an uid found in September 2001, whom some here have suggested reminded them of Lyle's mysterious case.

CANADA Canada - Laurentian Hills @ Deep River ON - WhtMale 334UMON, 28-40, Sep'01 *GRAPHIC* - Page 11 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

 

[dotr]

I am new to this thread and have not read everything, just ran across the following thread and wondered if Chad Leo Erickson from Canada had been considered.

CANADA Canada - Laurentian Hills @ Deep River ON - WhtMale 334UMON, 28-40, Sep'01 *GRAPHIC* - Page 11 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

Link and reminder of " Brett" thanks to Owutatangledweb's post .

 

[Lins1983]

I am new to this thread and have not read everything, just ran across the following thread and wondered if Chad Leo Erickson from Canada had been considered.

CANADA Canada - Laurentian Hills @ Deep River ON - WhtMale 334UMON, 28-40, Sep'01 *GRAPHIC* - Page 11 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

http://www.amcostarica.com/060105.htm
here is a picture of chad. i dont believe he has a close resemblance to lyle, however i couldnt find a thread for chad so i will see what i can do about geting him one.

 

[dotr]

http://www.amcostarica.com/060105.htm
here is a picture of chad. i dont believe he has a close resemblance to lyle, however i couldnt find a thread for chad so i will see what i can do about geting him one.

There does not seem to be many links or info about this young man..

Chad Leo EIRIKSON
Aka Keebler


http://www.albertamissingpersons.ca/images/stories/library/data_files/EIRIKSON_Chad.pdf

"File #:
2000-2354
Investigating Agency:
RCMP Innisfail Detachment (403-227-3341)
Date Last Seen:
January 09, 2000
Place Last Seen:
Central America
Gender:
Male
Age at Time of Disappearance:
20 years
Height:
176cm; 5'9"
Hair Colour:
Brown
Cl
Baggy clothes; Back pack
Additional Information:
Went missing while in Central America; was last heard from calling from Panama.

Eye Colour:
Hazel
Scars/Marks/Tattoos:
10" scar on chest
Chad Leo EIRIKSON
Weight:
65kg; 144lbs"

 

[Lins1983]

yeah i can only find the costa rica one and the one you posted.

 

[Ambercat]

Wow, good catch Ambercat! A thinner version of this man certainly would look like Lyle. One more thing, though - he was last seen 7 years before Lyle was found. This might make sense, though, if he was running/hiding from something, not using his real name, and jumping from motel to motel this whole time. Maybe whatever it was was about to catch up with him, or he got tired of running for 7 years?

ETA: Wait, I just noticed something. Eye color. Doesn't it look like Carmine has brown eyes, and "Lyle" blue?

I think Carmine is listed as having brown eyes, Lyle is described as having hazel eyes. I thought brown might be mistaken for hazel. The biggest problem (to the point where I debated for a long time if I should mention him) is that he is believed to have been murdered in New York by people involved in organized crime. When I noticed that You Must Remember This had a presumed mafia related murder in it, I thought about Carmine and wondered if there was a message in that. I guess it is possible Mr. Gargano had heard that someone wanted to kill him because they were angry with a cousin of his and he left New York to avoid being killed.

 

[Roselvr]

http://www.amcostarica.com/060105.htm
here is a picture of chad. i dont believe he has a close resemblance to lyle, however i couldnt find a thread for chad so i will see what i can do about geting him one.

Here is a screen shot of the article you posted in case you start a thread.
You should be able to right click to grab the URL. I don't see you listed on the FB group for Lyle...

 

[astridxx]

Jawline too round on Eirikson


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[goldiegirl]

I think Carmine is listed as having brown eyes, Lyle is described as having hazel eyes. I thought brown might be mistaken for hazel. The biggest problem (to the point where I debated for a long time if I should mention him) is that he is believed to have been murdered in New York by people involved in organized crime. When I noticed that You Must Remember This had a presumed mafia related murder in it, I thought about Carmine and wondered if there was a message in that. I guess it is possible Mr. Gargano had heard that someone wanted to kill him because they were angry with a cousin of his and he left New York to avoid being killed.

I can get over the New York thing, because maybe instead of murdered he fled. I wanted this to be him. But I wasn't basing it off of what they were listed as having, but what I saw. Their eyes ARE different unfortunately. At least in my opinion.

And please nobody laugh at this - I don't know how this works. But it was said that he may have been 30-40lbs heavier. Could the apendectomy scar actually be a liposuction scar? Probably not, since apendectomies are pretty common. But thought I'd throw that out there.