WA - Unidentified Male: "Lyle Stevik", Grays Harbor, 17 Sept 2001 - #4

[rosesfromangels]

Could have been both if he was taking any medication.

I think he was ill based on the suggested weight loss, did an autopsy reveal any obvious signs of recent chemo or other treatments?
That said, I cant shake off the feeling he was truly brokenhearted. Not sure why I keep dwelling there.

 

[dotr]

I think he was ill based on the suggested weight loss, did an autopsy reveal any obvious signs of recent chemo or other treatments?
That said, I cant shake off the feeling he was truly brokenhearted. Not sure why I keep dwelling there.

The "spaced out " look is often the look of a very, very depressed person- which evidently was the case with Lyle- maybe he was in shock over some terrible loss, like a broken heart, or a death. Poor guy.

 

[carbuff]

It's worth gong back through the previous thread for the posts by coldcaseman, who was one of the investigators on Lyle's case. Most of the questions are answered. (You still around, coldcaseman?)

He said Lyle had definitely lost weight -- the belt, which was too large for him, had been worn for a while on progressively smaller waist sizes. But the autopsy didn't indicate an obvious illness. I think that's in about the third or fourth page of the second thread.

Oh, wait, even better: somebody compiled all the info from coldcaseman's posts here: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?142870-Compiled-info-contributed-by-coldcaseman

 

[outofthedark]

I think he was ill based on the suggested weight loss, did an autopsy reveal any obvious signs of recent chemo or other treatments?
That said, I cant shake off the feeling he was truly brokenhearted. Not sure why I keep dwelling there.

No signs of illness

 

[rosesfromangels]

This case kept me up a great deal of last night after reading the detectives notes....over and over.....
I now believe firmly that "Lyle" had some tie to something associated with 9-11. (Days before his suicide)
The more I can rationalize this overwhelming thought and sort it through, I will post more.

 

[dotr]

This case kept me up a great deal of last night after reading the detectives notes....over and over.....
I now believe firmly that "Lyle" had some tie to something associated with 9-11. (Days before his suicide)
The more I can rationalize this overwhelming thought and sort it through, I will post more.

Somewhere on here, iirc, I think I read that the bible in his hotel room was book marked, or left open on " John", has anyone come across this, and if so could it be revealing of something important to Lyle?

Oh wait, it is in here somewhere..

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-98029-p-3.html

" For what it is worth, there was a Gideon bible in the nightstand. There was a bookmark in John 12, 13, 14 (pages 1050-1051). I don't know if Lyle was the one that was reading that passage."


https://www.gideons.ca/AbouttheBible/FindEncouragement

 

[astridxx]

Somewhere on here, iirc, I think I read that the bible in his hotel room was book marked, or left open on " John", has anyone come across this, and if so could it be revealing of something important to Lyle?

Oh wait, it is in here somewhere..

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-98029-p-3.html

" For what it is worth, there was a Gideon bible in the nightstand. There was a bookmark in John 12, 13, 14 (pages 1050-1051). I don't know if Lyle was the one that was reading that passage."


https://www.gideons.ca/AbouttheBible/FindEncouragement

Quick ref to John 12: https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+12


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[astridxx]

Also, interesting that Gideon site marks John 14 as "facing death" and "needing peace."


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[carbuff]

This case kept me up a great deal of last night after reading the detectives notes....over and over.....
I now believe firmly that "Lyle" had some tie to something associated with 9-11. (Days before his suicide)
The more I can rationalize this overwhelming thought and sort it through, I will post more.

That may have been the final blow, but if he had been losing weight for some time, as the belt holes suggest, there must have been something else going on in his life as well.

I have a mental picture of him trying desperately to get...somewhere. Across the border? Back home? Away from the US? Flights canceled, taking the bus instead. Something gone, something lost, something or someone missing. Maybe Gray's Harbor wasn't the original destination.

I dunno. I feel the connection pretty strongly too. But it might just be that because it's strong for me, I assume it was strong for him, too.

 

[ezuke]

This case kept me up a great deal of last night after reading the detectives notes....over and over.....
I now believe firmly that "Lyle" had some tie to something associated with 9-11. (Days before his suicide)
The more I can rationalize this overwhelming thought and sort it through, I will post more.

Funny you say that because I've been going through pics of the 9/11 victims looking for a clue as to Lyle's identity.

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[EdinburghLass]

I wonder if the bookmark was ever fingerprinted. Seems like a small detail, but if it was Lyle who marked the page, it would give an insight into his frame of mind.

 

[Snoopster]

Somewhere on here, iirc, I think I read that the bible in his hotel room was book marked, or left open on " John", has anyone come across this, and if so could it be revealing of something important to Lyle?

Oh wait, it is in here somewhere..

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-98029-p-3.html

" For what it is worth, there was a Gideon bible in the nightstand. There was a bookmark in John 12, 13, 14 (pages 1050-1051). I don't know if Lyle was the one that was reading that passage."


https://www.gideons.ca/AbouttheBible/FindEncouragement

Lyle had so little in belongings with him that I doubt he would have had a bookmark with him. Of course, it might not have been a 'formal bookmark' but rather a simple scrap of paper.

 

[rosesfromangels]

I am wondering if there is some way for the LE to determine who came in to the country around this time frame on a passport or Visa, but became "unaccounted" for. The fact this guy is so distinctive looking with good dental care just defies the notion that no one would be looking for him. The hypothesis that he had lost 40 or so pounds just prior to his death (but no disease found during autopsy) certainly aligns with severe depression. Maybe the events of 9-11 just pushed him over the edge.

 

[LucyOso]

This case kept me up a great deal of last night after reading the detectives notes....over and over.....
I now believe firmly that "Lyle" had some tie to something associated with 9-11. (Days before his suicide)
The more I can rationalize this overwhelming thought and sort it through, I will post more.

Funny you say that because I've been going through pics of the 9/11 victims looking for a clue as to Lyle's identity.

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BBM. I agree with both of you. I have wondered if either he was part of the "plot" or if he was even a "victim" of 9/11. Could he have been someone who was supposed to be at work that day, played hookie, was not killed, and the guilt drove him to suicide. It could have had him snap, instead of letting his family know he was still alive. He could have been considered missing and dead already. He just walked away, unable to cope.

I know there is the belt issue, with the weight loss...but my concern has always been that any second hand store/homeless shelter/etc is going to have pre-used belts. I often think we fixate on that detail too much. I can pick up a set of clothes and a belt from Goodwill today and if someone found me in them, it could be totally misleading...IMOO.

 

[curioser]

Lyle had so little in belongings with him that I doubt he would have had a bookmark with him. Of course, it might not have been a 'formal bookmark' but rather a simple scrap of paper.

Many bibles have built-in ribbon bookmarks- it could have been that.

A thought on these chapters, from a religious sense- It is about the last times Jesus spent with his friends. It is about him facing what he knew was coming (death) and trying to help his friends understand it, trying to put everything in place before he died. If there is a religious aspect to this, maybe Lyle felt that this was what he had to do, that he was trying to make peace or provide justice in some sense. Maybe he held guilt about something?

 

[Roselvr]

BBM. I agree with both of you. I have wondered if either he was part of the "plot" or if he was even a "victim" of 9/11. Could he have been someone who was supposed to be at work that day, played hookie, was not killed, and the guilt drove him to suicide. It could have had him snap, instead of letting his family know he was still alive. He could have been considered missing and dead already. He just walked away, unable to cope.

I know there is the belt issue, with the weight loss...but my concern has always been that any second hand store/homeless shelter/etc is going to have pre-used belts. I often think we fixate on that detail too much. I can pick up a set of clothes and a belt from Goodwill today and if someone found me in them, it could be totally misleading...IMOO.

I've always thought he was like many that lost a loved one in 9/11. It has always been my feeling when I saw the date.
It is also possible that he took his own life because of survivors guilt; he should have been there that day but wasn't...

I agree about the belt but I believe he also had stretch marks to go along with it.

 

[ezuke]

BBM. I agree with both of you. I have wondered if either he was part of the "plot" or if he was even a "victim" of 9/11. Could he have been someone who was supposed to be at work that day, played hookie, was not killed, and the guilt drove him to suicide. It could have had him snap, instead of letting his family know he was still alive. He could have been considered missing and dead already. He just walked away, unable to cope.

I know there is the belt issue, with the weight loss...but my concern has always been that any second hand store/homeless shelter/etc is going to have pre-used belts. I often think we fixate on that detail too much. I can pick up a set of clothes and a belt from Goodwill today and if someone found me in them, it could be totally misleading...IMOO.

Good thinking on the belt. I never even considered it.

re: 9/11, I was thinking along the lines of his family (only child, single parent) being killed in 9/11 thus there is no one to look for him.

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[carbuff]

As with all of our unidentified people, we really don't know no one is looking for him. They might well care desperately but just never have heard he was found here, or never went to the right missing person sites, or don't realize LE never submitted their report, etc. etc. etc. If hard feelings were involved when he left, they might be thinking more along the lines of "I wish he'd come home," or "I wonder what ever happened to him," or "I want to look for him but I don't know how and the police are no help."

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Wasn't Lyle seen waiting for someone or something on the road prior to his death? I don't remember specifics.

 

[astridxx]

@carbuff - but remember unfortunately (and we've seen it before), some people just don't care if their family is missing, and would prefer them to stay missing :/ hopefully that's not the case with Lyle.

@SS- yeah if I recall he was reported as having been seen pacing.


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