WA - Unidentified Male: "Lyle Stevik", Grays Harbor, 17 Sept 2001 - #4

[astridxx]

http://www.hejac.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=408

Looks like he's gone international!! Wish I could read... Swedish?? Idek.


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[astridxx]

If that's the belt, the weight loss doesn't look too dramatic, IMO


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[dotr]

http://www.hejac.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=408

Looks like he's gone international!! Wish I could read... Swedish?? Idek.


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A link to Websleuths is provided, also 2 very close up postmortem pics. that I am not sure have been seen before, warning, probably for very good reason, but that silver belt buckle is interesting.

 

[astridxx]

Did he stay at the Quinault river INn??

http://www.quinaultriverinn.com/

According to google reviews there are 8 rooms that share a porch... He was in room 8 and moved to 5, right?


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[dotr]

Did Lyle wait for a romantic interest who never followed through with a meeting?
Thinking of 911, New York and the Empire State building, missed meetings and this movie comes to mind..
http://www.tcm.com/mediaroom/video/251702/Affair-to-Remember-An-Movie-Clip-Now-or-Never.html

 

[annemc2]

I think you're right about the Quinalt River Inn! Beautiful area. I always pictured the hotel as being a more anonymous chain place - this one looks rather peaceful. I bet when they remodeled the rooms they took out those lower-hanging clothes racks.

It was so poignant to see his blue plaid shirt on the chair - I immediately recognized it and felt so sad. Something unusual I noticed in the photos (from astridxx's international (!!) link) was the towel beneath the belt around his neck. Hotels usually have white towels. Perhaps he brought it with him? Was he seen with a backpack initially but it was never found? I will have to go back and read.

I'd never thought about it before, but some of the websites about suicide by hanging mention putting a towel or padding on the front quarter of the neck to keep the ligature from cutting into the skin.

There's a good synopsis and those same photos on this blog: http://uidmysteries.blogspot.com/2014/05/the-mysterious-case-of-lyle-stevik.html

 

[LucyOso]

If that's the belt, the weight loss doesn't look too dramatic, IMO


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I know, that is me every month...LOL

 

[LucyOso]

A link to Websleuths is provided, also 2 very close up postmortem pics. that I am not sure have been seen before, warning, probably for very good reason, but that silver belt buckle is interesting.

He has freckles!

 

[rosesfromangels]

BBM. I agree with both of you. I have wondered if either he was part of the "plot" or if he was even a "victim" of 9/11. Could he have been someone who was supposed to be at work that day, played hookie, was not killed, and the guilt drove him to suicide. It could have had him snap, instead of letting his family know he was still alive. He could have been considered missing and dead already. He just walked away, unable to cope.

I know there is the belt issue, with the weight loss...but my concern has always been that any second hand store/homeless shelter/etc is going to have pre-used belts. I often think we fixate on that detail too much. I can pick up a set of clothes and a belt from Goodwill today and if someone found me in them, it could be totally misleading...IMOO.

Frankly, I was thinking of him as a perpetrator although that sounds a bit far fetched. I could imagine the stress of the "event" causing him to lose a lot of weight, and then the guilt afterwards propelling him to take his own life.
It's a stretch....

 

[curiouslittleone]

i hope theres a day when he can have his name back , his photos have always sent chills down my spine, quite crudely photoshopped eyes and a touch up ontop of the morgue photo , always scary and spooky

 

[curiouslittleone]

those updated photographs of him are much less "disturbing" than the initial ones

 

[astridxx]

I think you're right about the Quinalt River Inn! Beautiful area. I always pictured the hotel as being a more anonymous chain place - this one looks rather peaceful. I bet when they remodeled the rooms they took out those lower-hanging clothes racks.

It was so poignant to see his blue plaid shirt on the chair - I immediately recognized it and felt so sad. Something unusual I noticed in the photos (from astridxx's international (!!) link) was the towel beneath the belt around his neck. Hotels usually have white towels. Perhaps he brought it with him? Was he seen with a backpack initially but it was never found? I will have to go back and read.

I'd never thought about it before, but some of the websites about suicide by hanging mention putting a towel or padding on the front quarter of the neck to keep the ligature from cutting into the skin.

There's a good synopsis and those same photos on this blog: http://uidmysteries.blogspot.com/2014/05/the-mysterious-case-of-lyle-stevik.html

Possible, but all reports I've read have said he only brought a toothbrush and toothpaste. Remember, he asked the maid for more towels (or clean ones). But, anything is possible!!

 

[astridxx]

http://www.hejac.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=408

Looks like he's gone international!! Wish I could read... Swedish?? Idek.


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Here's an interesting translation (from google translate):

The appearance of " Lylessä " could be Native American blood, or he could be latino .
Also the shape of the skull gave an indication of the direction that in him would have been a Native American blood.

He was an old appendicitis surgery scar and he had a small mole on the left side of the jaw .

Ringing in the form of special, not korvannipukoita .
[ Ears are not , therefore, have been cut , but they were congenital . I understand this is less common in North America ... I can be väärässä. -ed ]

" Lyle " had lost before he died approx. 30-40 lbs = n.13-18 kg . The skin does not hang , so the weight loss had not been quite sudden ...
The autopsy is not a slimming found no health reason , such as . for example . suffering from sickness .

He had no noticeable tan stripes, was likely to have remained much indoors.

Nor was there any indication that he should never have been a wedding ring.

In the lung there were no indications that the " Lyle " would be smoked .

Also, no signs of drugs or alcohol were found.

Nothing else in the translations caught my eye - there was talk of whether he's Jewish or Muslim, that he probably lived in the US for a while due to steady weight loss overtime, speculation that he might have been involved in planning the 9/11 attacks, etc etc

 

[astridxx]

Wait - you know what - there is probably a very slim chance he is Mexican, Central American or South American. I'm not saying no Hispanics are circumcised, but the majority of them are not. It's just not something they do - IDK if it's for lack of money or lack of technology or because of religious beliefs (either Catholic or Evangelist)...

Lyle, however, was circumcised.

 

[astridxx]

These are all decent possibilities for Lyle:

http://peoplelookingforpeople.com/read.php?6,1387

http://peoplelookingforpeople.com/read.php?6,1585

http://peoplelookingforpeople.com/read.php?6,1567

http://peoplelookingforpeople.com/read.php?6,1301

http://peoplelookingforpeople.com/read.php?6,987

http://peoplelookingforpeople.com/read.php?6,865

http://peoplelookingforpeople.com/read.php?6,812

http://peoplelookingforpeople.com/read.php?6,620

http://peoplelookingforpeople.com/read.php?6,588

http://peoplelookingforpeople.com/read.php?6,540

http://peoplelookingforpeople.com/read.php?6,327

http://peoplelookingforpeople.com/read.php?6,221

 

[curiouslittleone]

Later that day the manager noticed "Lyle" pacing up and down beside the road.
http://uidmysteries.blogspot.co.uk/2014/05/the-mysterious-case-of-lyle-stevik.html


never heard this?

 

[dotr]

Not wishing to cause controversy or offend, but although many North Americans do circumcise, the practice is not as common as it used to be for non religious people to do so.
At one time it was automatically covered by health care but not any more as it is not considered essential. Finances generally do not affect whether it is done or not. imo.
The popularity of the procedure among non religious, educated parents has waned over the years. imo
Perhaps these stats might point in the direction of Lyle's background..

http://www.cps.ca/documents/position/circumcision

"Circumcision is one of the procedures performed most often on males. It was estimated in 1970 that 69% to 97% of all boys and men in the United States had been circumcised, in comparison with 70% of those in Australia, 48% of those in Canada and 24% of those in the United Kingdom [1]. The procedure is uncommon in northern European countries, Central and South America and Asia [1].

In 1971 and 1975 the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) took a stand against the routine circumcision of newborns on the basis that there are no valid medical indications for circumcision in the neonatal period [2][3]. In 1975 the Fetus and Newborn Committee of the Canadian Paediatric Society (CPS) reviewed the literature available at that time and reached the same conclusion [4]. In 1983 this position was reiterated by the AAP and the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists in their joint publication Guidelines for Perinatal Care [5]. The CPS Fetus and Newborn Committee re-examined the issue in 1982, in response to an article on the benefits and risks of circumcision [6], and saw no reason to modify its 1975 statement [7"





http://www.cirp.org/library/statements/

http://jme.bmj.com/content/30/3/259.full

 

[carbuff]

@carbuff - but remember unfortunately (and we've seen it before), some people just don't care if their family is missing, and would prefer them to stay missing :/ hopefully that's not the case with Lyle.

Yes. That's one of many areas we can't make assumptions either way.

 

[astridxx]

Lyle's nose makes me think he's aboriginal or Native American - or possibly Slavic. I honestly do not think he had anything to do with 9/11, either with the planning, the guilt trip or having family members who may have passed. I just don't get that feeling. BUT, those of you who DO hold that opinion are absolutely entitled to it and I love reading your opinions -- anyway, neither here nor there.

What we know is, no bus driver saw him or remembers dropping him off in WA. Could he have hitch hiked? Walked? Hopped a train without a ticket?

I don't know much about Native America, but, I do wonder if it is common for them to go missing from reservations and no one thinks much of it, or if they're close enough to each other to realize someone is missing, etc etc.

Also, can a Canadian accent be confused with another accent? (Possibly Scottish?? Maybe? IDK)

 

[Roselvr]

http://www.hejac.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=408

Looks like he's gone international!! Wish I could read... Swedish?? Idek.

Here is page 1 of Lyle's post translated from Finnish to English

The whole forum via google translate