WA - Unidentified Male: "Lyle Stevik", Grays Harbor, 17 Sept 2001 - #5

[Brainy]

I think--no evidence really, just a feeling--that he wrote and mailed a farewell letter saying he was going to kill himself, and they aren't looking for him because they know he's dead.

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Or perhaps he didn't have anyone to look for him.


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[ALadInsane]

I recently bumped into a Lyle lookalike in the online clothes shop for Bench. (uk version). No information about who the male model is can be found on the shop.
I think I can post a photo here since his face is anyway online.

 

[Skigirl]

I think--no evidence really, just a feeling--that he wrote and mailed a farewell letter saying he was going to kill himself, and they aren't looking for him because they know he's dead.

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That doesn't strike me as likely... if anything, I would think that if I received a note from a family member that they were going to kill themselves and that by the time I received the letter they would be dead so not to bother looking, I would have made a totally FRANTIC search, in hopes that the note was just a test or that he had chickened out and that I still had time to talk him out of it. Then, after a time, if I was convinced he was dead, I would want to claim his remains. I would never stop looking for someone I love, not even if they told me not to look or that they were going to kill themselves.

 

[carbuff]

That doesn't strike me as likely... if anything, I would think that if I received a note from a family member that they were going to kill themselves and that by the time I received the letter they would be dead so not to bother looking, I would have made a totally FRANTIC search, in hopes that the note was just a test or that he had chickened out and that I still had time to talk him out of it. Then, after a time, if I was convinced he was dead, I would want to claim his remains. I would never stop looking for someone I love, not even if they told me not to look or that they were going to kill themselves.

If they were a close family member, probably, but if the person had been out of touch for years and wasn't on good terms when he left? I've known people who would just say, "Good riddance."

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[Brainy]

If they were a close family member, probably, but if the person had been out of touch for years and wasn't on good terms when he left? I've known people who would just say, "Good riddance."

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Considering his wishes for anonymity, possible isolation during his life, I don’t think Lyle would be reaching out to a family member who would sum up his death as a “good riddance”, why to reach out to that person anyway? I have not had any contact with my parents and sibling for years and I can’t imagine reaching out to them on any occasion based on our relational history. I am not saying that Lyle had the same circumstances but it is unlikely that he would reach out for understanding or even apology if relationships had been strained/difficult for a long time.

I do also believe that idea of a suicide letter is a stretch. Like I mentioned earlier, it’s either a) Lyle didn’t have anyone b) have grown apart over the years and moved away – either was reported missing at some point but there is no record, or they never reported as they lost touch with him completely and it was normal considering their relationship, lifestyle, etc.

Also, if you are thinking that family could have gotten some benefits (financial) after his death, there are lots if legalities involved in all that and would have been reported missing first. Given that he has very distinct physical features and his face/body was intact after his death that would not be very difficult to accomplish. If they wanted insurance after his death, they would be looking to find his body/ locate him somehow to prove he’s dead.

Another reason that I don’t believe he wrote a letter is that he did everything to disguise his identity. I don’t think he was looking to hide his identity from anyone in particular, he wanted to hide from himself and everyone who could identify him. I believe he grew up in an isolated/ conservative environment that had resources to promote growth and advancement but didn’t necessarily offer compassion, understanding or anything personal in a genuine way. Again, I don’t know if this is the case or not. Those are mere impressions that I hold.

 

[carbuff]

I don't disagree with any of your logic; like I said, it's just a feeling I've had ever since I first read through the case files.

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[rsnspi]

I remember learning about this case a while back but only know seeing the profile shot. Not sure if this was yet mentioned, but the crease that's near his ear is a lesser noticed sign of aging/wrinkles. I've noticed people late 30s to early 40s to start showing such signs. Could his age estimate be wrong?

Something about him strikes me as perhaps being a homosexual (his hair, skin, eyebrows and cleanly shaven).

Was this already a thought?


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[Brainy]

I remember learning about this case a while back but only know seeing the profile shot. Not sure if this was yet mentioned, but the crease that's near his ear is a lesser noticed sign of aging/wrinkles. I've noticed people late 30s to early 40s to start showing such signs. Could his age estimate be wrong?

Something about him strikes me as perhaps being a homosexual (his hair, skin, eyebrows and cleanly shaven).

Was this already a thought?


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Very good insight. However, the postmortem photos aren't usually good indicators of that. His face is pretty swollen and it looks like all the fluid collected pulls down towards his ears as he is put supine on the autopsy table. Also, I have always thought that photos taken in the room and later provide two very different info.

I know some people have thought about Lyle being gay. It might have been true but that has never been my impression. Personally, I don't sum up individuals by just looking at them. I didn't know him, didn't know what he sounded like, didn't know any of his mannerisms, so I think it would be shallow of me to come up with something so specific considering that I don't have a lot of information to base that on. Being cleanly shaven and having neatly trimmed hair and well groomed eyebrows are just way, way too broad.


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[Tulessa]

One of the reddit mods is checking on Farid. I noticed him while looking chronologically through cases. I'm now going through geographic areas according to the isotope results. Ran across this guy who has not been mentioned or ruled out. Don't know what he would have been doing for 13 years but...
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/h/hilbert_scott.html

And I can't even see a slim resemblance. The mind is a funny thing.

 

[Buttons]

I recently bumped into a Lyle lookalike in the online clothes shop for Bench. (uk version). No information about who the male model is can be found on the shop.
I think I can post a photo here since his face is anyway online.

Oh, wow. What a startling resemblance. :cry:

 

[Springrain]

This has probably been brought up before, but I don't really get the isotope maps, so I wonder, could he have been from Wisconsin/Minnesota/The Dakotas? I feel like that might explain his slight, Canadian-sounding accent.

 

[mrseeker]

Very good insight. However, the postmortem photos aren't usually good indicators of that. His face is pretty swollen and it looks like all the fluid collected pulls down towards his ears as he is put supine on the autopsy table. Also, I have always thought that photos taken in the room and later provide two very different info.

I know some people have thought about Lyle being gay. It might have been true but that has never been my impression. Personally, I don't sum up individuals by just looking at them. I didn't know him, didn't know what he sounded like, didn't know any of his mannerisms, so I think it would be shallow of me to come up with something so specific considering that I don't have a lot of information to base that on. Being cleanly shaven and having neatly trimmed hair and well groomed eyebrows are just way, way too broad.


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I wondered about the uni-brow. in the west even men pluck or shave a very prominent uni-brow yet his in intact. you would think a young western man who seemed to be well groomed would have removed the uni-brow. Some cultures think it is attractive. I am wondering if he is the son of immigrants, perhaps from Canada, or near the border, perhaps older immigrant parents. Perhaps the parents spoke little English and never turned to the authorities when he ran off. Some people have suggested his features are eastern european and I see that. I also see Iranian, or that southern asia area from eastern europe to iran. I wonder if the isotope data base they compared his to, included data from all parts of the world. Of course he might have been born in the USA or Canada anyway. I wish they could do DNA for ethnic heritage.

 

[Brainy]

I wondered about the uni-brow. in the west even men pluck or shave a very prominent uni-brow yet his in intact. you would think a young western man who seemed to be well groomed would have removed the uni-brow. Some cultures think it is attractive. I am wondering if he is the son of immigrants, perhaps from Canada, or near the border, perhaps older immigrant parents. Perhaps the parents spoke little English and never turned to the authorities when he ran off. Some people have suggested his features are eastern european and I see that. I also see Iranian, or that southern asia area from eastern europe to iran. I wonder if the isotope data base they compared his to, included data from all parts of the world. Of course he might have been born in the USA or Canada anyway. I wish they could do DNA for ethnic heritage.

I appreciate your observation. I really don't know what the stats are of men grooming their eyebrows but those kind of particular hygiene things vary from person to person so I avoid making a generalization. He may or may have not be an immigrant. Isotope results suggest he had been all over the US prior to his death, so we may at least conclude that he'd been here for at least some time prior to his death. Again, I personally lean towards him being a Native American but he does look ethnically ambiguous. Unless there is a DNA testing to provide more info, it remains a speculation with lots of possibilities.


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[carbuff]

I suspect he's from a mixed background and even DNA would be ambiguous.

Eyebrow grooming for both sexes was much less common 20 years ago. It's one of those things that comes and goes.

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[Brainy]

I thought I would include a link to crime scene/autopsy photos if some of you have not seen those yet.

***WARNING: graphic content***

click here for the pictures

 

[carterkatt]

I thought I would include a link to crime scene/autopsy photos if some of you have not seen those yet.

***WARNING: graphic content***

click here for the pictures

Link didn't work for me.....? Is it just me?
Thanks

 

[dotr]

Link didn't work for me.....? Is it just me?
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The link worked fine for me, reminder that as Brainy indicated in post, the pics are very graphic

 

[mrseeker]

was that a cell phone next to the tv remote when they show the shot of the tv on the vanity desk? I never knew about the injuries to his knuckles either that seem quite recent, within a few days.

 

[Brainy]

Link didn't work for me.....? Is it just me?
Thanks

The link should work for everyone. It's accessible with no restrictions.

If the page says there are some technical issue, simply wait and try again later. The website may be temporarily down for maintenance.

Also, make sure you are accessing it using a laptop/computer and not a mobile device like your cell phone and ipad. The link may not open because the files are way too big.

 

[Brainy]

was that a cell phone next to the tv remote when they show the shot of the tv on the vanity desk? I never knew about the injuries to his knuckles either that seem quite recent, within a few days.

There weren't any cell phones found.

The abrasions on his hands were thought to have been recovering at the time of his death, but they do certainly look relatively recent.