GUILTY Wales - Gerald Corrigan, 74, killed with crossbow bolt, Holyhead, 19 April 2019

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Mr Elias says Barry never asked her to think back to those dates. “I don’t know” she responds. She is asked again “Not that I can remember” she says.

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She says she knew he had been stopped by the police and they had a conversation about the dates, but she says the timescale is mixed up for her.


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Ms Holmes says she spends more time with Barry in the van, than at her mothers. She confirms there is no landline to speak to Barry and the only way to contact him was on his mobile. She did not always expect him to have his phone on, she says.

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On July 10 when she is asked to look back, she is asked whether anything stood out. “There was nothing out the ordinary,” she said , but she had seen what was happening on Anglesey on the news. “I went to work as normal and saw Barry as normal.”

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Ms Holmes says she remembers the events happening with Barry in April. Mr Eilas suggests she doesn’t remember specifically what happened? It was part of her routine. She replies she had discussed things with people to remember where she was.

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Ms Holmes is asked who she discussed things with. She says Barry and work.

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Ms Holmes says “I am a worrier so I would have been asking the questioins.” Ms Holmes denies having discussions about how his phone got damaged.


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Mr Elias asks where she says anything about the phone being damaged in her statement to the police? She says its not in there and she doesn’t now why. She agrees that throwing the phone was out of the ordinary. Mr Elias suggests it didn’t happen? “No” she said.

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Ms Holmes denies Barry asked her to say he had broken his phone then.

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Ms Holmes says she came to court on Monday but not with Barry. She says she has seen him since Mr Williams gave his evidence. She said she discussed the news with him and said they talked little but not much” about the case.

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Ms Holmes says the phone was not discussed at all. “I was more concerned about the allegations that had been made.”

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Mr Elias says in her statement regarding 10pm Thursday April 18 night shift, she says she remembers them having an argument over working night shifts, but does not mention the phone being broken. She agrees and asked “Why not?” “ I don’t know.”


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She also says in the statement “I noticed the screen was broken but I don’t know how”. Ms Holmes said “That’s what I must have thought at the time”, but it was a bad time when she made the statement.


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Mr Elias said Ms Holmes has a lot of responsibility in her job on a daily basis. She agrees. He says she made a statement to police with four pages of detail - she says she did tell police about her situation and “everything is all over the place.”

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Mr Elias says the truth was in the statement where she said she did not know how the phone’s screen was broken. “I don’t know” she said. “It was not broken in any argument or temper,” he says. “I don’t know.” Ms Holmes denies being asked by Barry to say something different.”

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“I can’t remember everything,” she said: “I have not had a conversation with Barry about his phone and he has not asked me to say anything.” She can’t remember when he got a new phone, but thinks it was in Llandudno.

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Whall and Barry were close? “I know they were friends” she says.

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Ms Holmes thinks Barry bought the phone at Argos - but could have been Colwyn Bay.

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Ms Holmes said she has seen YouTube videos of them sparring “When I was with Barry he did not see Terry much”.

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Mr Elias says she can work long hours and asks her if she knew Barry would go on long walks with Whall. “They mentioned they did the sparring and stuff together”. “He may have mentioned it - I’m not sure” “Their friendship was never a secret.”

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“Was there any mention of Holyhead mountain?” “I don’t know what mountains they went up with the kids,” she says.

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Ms Holmes confirms she met Whall once briefly. She slept in the camper van and he went in the house with Whall.

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Re-examination by Peter Rouch. On the police statement referring to April 18 about the argument. She confirms she remembers that night because of the argument.

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Referring to the phone “Around the time we argued, the phone was broken” her statement said. Mr Rouch says that could be interpreted in different ways. She says she is not 100% sure, but doesn’t recall it being broken before that day.

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Ms Holmes has finished giving evidence.

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Three witness statements are being read.


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One is from the first officer who made the walk from Gof Du don’t to Porthdafarch Beach. Walk took just over 14 minutes.


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Second statement. Det Con Catrin Jones. She says she spoke to Hannah Salmon who lived near to co-accused Gavin Jones in the course of the inquiry and about who owned the vehicles on the drive.

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Third statement from officer about CCTV which saw a Land Rover Discovery travelling to and from Porthdafarch Beach in April.

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Trial halting early for lunch. Due to restart 2pm.

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Trial resuming.


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Discussions between legal teams and Justice Nerys Jefford taking place.

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Trial has now finished for the day and will resume 10am tomorrow.

 

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Many thanks for all the updates Legally - Ms Holmes not doing very well in the witness box

 

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Many thanks for all the updates Legally - Ms Holmes not doing very well in the witness box

The whole evidence from Williams, his Mum, sister and GF seems a bit odd, sort of convoluted. Maybe it's just coming across that way in the reporting.

 

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The trial of the crossbow killing of Gerald Corrigan is resuming.

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First witness is Dawn Mann - an analyst employed by North Wales Police.


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Mrs Mann says on May 31 an Apple iPhone 6 was seized from Terence Whall. The number ended in 637 and was interrogated.


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There were a series of text messages received from a SIM card of phone ending 233.

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The 637 phone received contained latitude and longitude data - map co-ordinates. The SIM card sending had been previously used in iPhone seized from Whall. The phone had used both SIM cards and the texts related to map co-ordinates.

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The 233 SIM card sending the messages was being used with an electronic GPS tracker.

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The 233 SIM card had been put in a tracking device “Yes” and had been operative since May 18.

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It could for example show where a car was at any particular time - she is asked “Yes”

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The device sends a text message back to a registered phone with the information. Whalls’ 637 number had ben “seeking information” from the tracker device. Between May 27-30 Whall sought information 59 times from th device

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Richard Wyn Lewis is referenced who lives on Anglesey. The location of the tracker was close to his address on 38 occasions.

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On May 27 2019 the tracker was sending location details to Whall’s from 1.30am to 9.30pm in the evening. It would have been requested by Whall. It was in th vicinity of Lewis’ home address she confirms again.

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May 28th the tracker sent more locations details between 9.55am and 7.09pm; May 29 9.51am to 6.26pm. May 30 10.13m to 7.45pm and May 31 10.28am to 6.17pm. Each occasion Whall was requesting location details.

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Mrs Mann says the tracker was sending location data in the vicinity of Lewis’ home. She refers to telematics data from the Land Rover Discovery showing where it was when the engine is switched off. On May 24 00.15pm the engine is switched off - 2 mins later engine switched on.

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More data is given on when the engine was switched on and off on the following days.

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Telematic data showed a Land Rover Discovery travelled between Garddedfa, the home of Whall and the home of Lewis a number of times later on in May.


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On May 26 11.15pm the engine is switched on and soon after is switched off near the home of Lewis. In the early hours of May 27 the Land Rover engine is switched on and the car goes back to Garddefa.

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Mrs Mann says they checked tracker information to Whall’s phone and telematics from the Land Rover Discovery.

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On 21 occasions the tracker was sought information from Whall’s phone, it was not at Lewis’ home.


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Mrs Mann says on one occasion the tracker provides information and gives location, as the A5 at Gwylchmau, Anglesey.


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Soon after a request is made of the tracking device and telematics data shows the Land Rover was switched on when it was at Garddefa.

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Later the tracker device shows it is near Lewi’s address.

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Cross examination by David Elias


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Mrs Mann says she is not an expert in trackers.

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Mr Eilas says on May 31 there were four times Whall’s phone sought information from the tracker. One put it at Tesco Holyhead at 6.18pm.


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Mr Elias is discussing the timings of the tracker information requests. Now there is a short break.

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Trial resuming.

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The court hears there’s about 8 minutes driving distance between Whall’s and Mr Lewis homes.

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Mr Elias says the first time the tracker was used shows it was at Whall’s address. There are further requests that show it was still there. Then the tracker comes back with Mr Lewis address. It suggests a delay the tracker identifying where it is. “Yes” agrees Mrs Mann.

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The times the tracker shows its at Mr Lewis’s address are between 1.30am May 27 to May 31. “That’s correct” says Mrs Mann.

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Another 10 minute break.

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Trial set to resume.

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Mr Elias is asking Mrs Mann to run through data from Thomas Barry Williams mobile phone.


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April 18/19 Mrs Mann prepared a report on Mr William’s phone and a phone attributed to Whall.

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2.25pm April 18. There are a number of interactions between their phones and a call just before 8.55pm. 10.26pm there looks to be an attempted call to Mr Williams and then there is no further activity on Mr Williams phone until data event 3.02am April 19 Good Friday.

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April 19 - schedule of call data for number of Mr Williams. Mrs Mann noted that the last activity by anybody using that phone was at 12.15pm on Good Friday. Data event. 12.08 text message sent to an unknown number. As of 12.15pm - no further outgoing activity on that phone

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Mrs Mann says in report at 1.21pm Whall’s phone attempts to phone the number but it goes to call forward. There is another two months of data for Mr Williams phone to se if it was ever used again.


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In the two months after that phone was never used again. That number had been “completely dropped” said Mrs Mann.


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Another number attributed to Mr Williams came into existence within half an hour of the last use of the other number. That was on April 19 and was an EE pay as you go phone.

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That was activated at 12.45pm on April 19.


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That phone contacts a phone attributed to Mr Whall - on April 19 at 2.41pm, by text.

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At 2.57pm there’s a call from the Whall attributed phone, to the new number attributed to Mr Williams and “there are calls between the two numbers in the ensuing days.” “Yes” Mrs Mann confirms.

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Mr Elias suggests that Mr Williams may have switched his original phone off or put it into airplane mode over the night of April 18/19. Mrs Mann says “Yes”.

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Mr Williams original phone had been in use for two years and the third most frequent contact in the data was the number for Whall.

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Re-examination of Mrs Mann by Mr Rouch. On April 19 the last use of the old phone and the first use of the new phone for Mr Williams was in the Colwyn Bay Area, she confirms. Her evidence has finished.


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Trial adjourned until 2pm.

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Trial resuming


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Prosecuting Peter Rouch is reading some agreed facts to the jury.


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Attendance of GavinJones and Terence Whall at Richard Wyn Lewis address between 6.30pm and 8pm Whall and Jones attended Lewis address. There was an incident between Mr Lewis and Jones and the police were called.


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Jones had said he had loaned Lewis £12,000 and wanted it back.

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Arrest and interview with Whall being moved onto.

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A Tuesday June 25, police were sent to arrest Whall and he was handcuffed and arrested on suspicioun of murder he appeared “calm” he was told the other charges. He said words or the effect “I’m not f******g talking to you, f*****g lying.”

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He also said “How can I be arrested for conspiracy to murder somebody I have never met.”

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David Jones civilian investigator giving evidence. He confirms Whall was interviewed on 7 occasions. They have been edited down.

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In interview Whall said I’m getting arrested for something I don’t know the bloke.”


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“I don’t really understand how I’m involved in it.” He says.

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He refers to a “fat a******e” incident he was involved in. Whall was talking about Mr Lewis.


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Asked about the death of Mr Corrigan, he says he’s even it n th paper and Richard Wyn Lewis was something to do with it and they had been growing cannabis together. “He conned the guy out of money” - somewhere around £250,00- to £400,000.

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