WARNING:GRAPHIC PHOTOS Meredith Kercher murdered-Amanda Knox appeals conviction #9

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  • #821
Oh SMK I am terribly sorry to hear this!!!!

You do bring up some very valid points. Most do not think little things out of the ordinary mean that it is indeed a murder. There have been numerous times I have returned home to find the wind had blown open my door after my children had not closed it completely and there was nothing wrong with the locks.

They were simply in a rush to make it to the bus stop in time to catch the bus. I certainly never considered that a murder had occurred in my home. Just that the kids "did it again"

And furthermore, the cottage was basically a "dormitory" for AK and MK, and along with the boys downstairs, seems to have operated much like college housing. Certainly when I lived in a college dormitory very lax security was the norm and people wandered in and out of rooms at will; my niece is a freshman at a university in Hawaii and is experiencing much the same thing.

Under those circumstances, a door left open would not immediately cause alarm. Nor would a few drops of blood in a bathroom.
 
  • #822
Dude, you brought it up. When somebody responds, it's a little late to say the issue is irrelevant. :)

But I agree that the guilt or innocence of AK and RS doesn't depend on this issue. Your theory seemed a new way to keep alive the myth that RS called the carabinieri after and only because the postal police arrived, and that simply is not true.

Dear Dudee,
I was asked what I thought was the scenario around the call and I responded. Since then the 'crowd' has been jumping all over it... mainly for the reason that they do not agree. This is MY position, no 'myth' involved, no prosecution, no court... just mine. They arrived at the cottage approximately 7 minutes after the call to the carabinieri. What I posted doesn't 'keep alive' anything.
 
  • #823
So it is physically challeging to enter, but offers 'advantages' for an avenue of escape. Geewiz, y'all are champion :spinner:

What would be one of the 'numerous' advantages in terms of visibility? How would that offer a better escape route than the back of the cottage where that was on the edge of the town?

No burgler in their right mind would scale that window (especially one that had seen the layout of the cottage) when a simple entry point would have been in the back on the balcony.

But it sure is somewhat entertaining to see all these 'spins' over a scene/action that has been proven by the prosecution as being a staged break in. This is not under appeal... and will never be.

Please return to your regularly scheduled programs. :crazy:

Do we know that RG had been inside upstairs? Your post is the first I've heard of it.

Hendry points out that the broken window was hidden from the road by a tree, but allowed a burglar to view both the road and the parking lot. IIRC, he also points out that entering via the balcony would mean a burglar might be trapped on the balcony if someone turned out to be home. By entering through the window that was broken, the burglar made his noise (breaking glass with the rock) while he was still in a place where he could run away easily if a light came on in response to the sound or if a car entered the parking lot.

You can read all this in the Hendry links, but I know the pro-verdict camp has conveniently decided to ignore him.

And Hendry may be wrong on this score. But it is one explanation why a burglar would go to the trouble of entering via a physically inconvenient point of entry.
 
  • #824
Why do you think Massei says: "Even if one accepts that Rudy was the burglar"? Because it is not proven he was the burglar in those law offices. He was caught with stolen property and booked for that. Nothing more nothing less.

So now Rudy already had 2 knives, a rock in his backpack (where does that even come from?), he is threatened an elderly couple (huh?), and last but not least, without any proof whatsoever...he is a police informant..lol... Just a little trick by the defense so they don't have to proof any of his burglary history which was all covered up since he is a police informant which also doesn't need any proof since after all how can you proof that? Keeping the rumor alive.

You are mainly copying large parts of propaganda sites supporting the Knox PR campaign. There is nothing objective about these sites. There are full with falsehoods, rumors and yes gossips ;) I think it would be much clearer if we just stick with topics that are actually being discussed during the trials. JMO.

I think there is a more important question in this. When you have someone that has entered a premise 6 times in 33 days, is found to have stolen items as well as break and enter items in a backpack (which leads me to believe these may only be the times they are aware of and there possibly be even more) why would ILE not investigate him further. They had more on RG from these than they did of AK yet never arrested him, took him in for questioning, etc. Something is very wrong with this scenerio
 
  • #825
It doesn't make sense to me that he would have chosen such an inconvenient way to break into the place.If he broke in it would have been much easier to break in through the door.That whole scenario of first climbing up to open the shutters,than throwing the rock,then climbing back up and getting in without getting cut? No I don't believe it.
i think the door was left open or Meredith opened it or he would have broken in through the door.
Maybe he opened the green shutters on his way out...tossed the clothes around in F's room and then threw the rock while he was running off? That would explain the glass on the clothes.

The door very well may of been left open or not closed properly. I do believe the rock was thrown at the start as it is one method burglers do use to determine whether anyone is home as the noise would usually wake people up.

What does not make sense in your analysis is why his footprints led straight to the door and not into Filomena's room as there would of been blood on the footwear as evidenced from the ones in the hallway
 
  • #826
Exactly. Whatever happened to perps distancing themselves from the crime?

Even assuming that AK came home to take a shower in the a.m. in order to muddy the crime scene, why didn't she and RS just proceed on their holiday?

Or conversely, if AK and RS did indeed spend the night cleaning up the apartment (something the forensics don't show), why return for a morning shower and risk leaving more traces of her DNA behind?

I appreciate why the break-in seems odd to people. But IMO those oddities pale in comparison to wild theories that must be created to explain AK's and RS' participation in the murder.

Especially considering Rudy DID flee THE COUNTRY. Some co-conspirator he is! He fled and left the other two to do the dirty work and the great criminal minds that they are figured to be didn't immediately see him as the perfect perp at which to point the finger and exculpate themselves - since they managed to clean up all evidence that they were in the room and leave his? wow - It defies any kind of logic or reason to believe AK and RS as co-conspirators would take the fall for Rudy. But then again, I see some are impervious to reason.
 
  • #827
Dear Dudee,
I was asked what I thought was the scenario around the call and I responded. Since then the 'crowd' has been jumping all over it... mainly for the reason that they do not agree. This is MY position, no 'myth' involved, no prosecution, no court... just mine. They arrived at the cottage approximately 7 minutes after the call to the carabinieri. What I posted doesn't 'keep alive' anything.

Then what is the point you are trying to make as it is consistently brought up and the same explanations given?
 
  • #828
So it is physically challeging to enter, but offers 'advantages' for an avenue of escape. Geewiz, y'all are champion :spinner:

What would be one of the 'numerous' advantages in terms of visibility? How would that offer a better escape route than the back of the cottage where that was on the edge of the town?

No burgler in their right mind would scale that window (especially one that had seen the layout of the cottage) when a simple entry point would have been in the back on the balcony.

But it sure is somewhat entertaining to see all these 'spins' over a scene/action that has been proven by the prosecution as being a staged break in. This is not under appeal... and will never be.

Please return to your regularly scheduled programs. :crazy:

Very curious how the side window has a better escape route than climbing onto the deck since the only way to access the side window is to walk all around the cottage (pretty much a 360 from the front door), past the deck, and access the narrow sidewalk that runs along the side of the cottage.
 
  • #829
Frank has a new post on his site that I thought some of you might be interested in.

It seems that they found starch on the knife and only 5 picograms of unidentified DNA which is too small to test

"As we know no blood was found on the knife and it was decided not to take it apart since the scrubbing in the crevice did provide some substance "

http://perugia-shock.blogspot.com/
 
  • #830
Very curious how the side window has a better escape route than climbing onto the deck since the only way to access the side window is to walk all around the cottage (pretty much a 360 from the front door), past the deck, and access the narrow sidewalk that runs along the side of the cottage.

Why would any burgler want to enter a 2nd story when there are easier ways and means? Statistics show though that this is common. Since I am personally not a burgler I unfortunately cannot understand there various reasons

Burgleries happen all the time even on the 2nd floor
 
  • #831
Then what is the point you are trying to make as it is consistently brought up and the same explanations given?

Ha, are you talking to yourself :slap: .

The vicious cycle continues: a nonexistant 'flaw' in the case is seen from an internet poster's computer screen, we give the same valid reasoning and explanations for the perceived wronging of AK (again), then the 'crowd' moves to the next point of the massive conspiracy against the :innocent: AK.
And on and on.
 
  • #832
Oh SMK I am terribly sorry to hear this!!!!

You do bring up some very valid points. Most do not think little things out of the ordinary mean that it is indeed a murder. There have been numerous times I have returned home to find the wind had blown open my door after my children had not closed it completely and there was nothing wrong with the locks.

They were simply in a rush to make it to the bus stop in time to catch the bus. I certainly never considered that a murder had occurred in my home. Just that the kids "did it again"
Thanks, yes, I actually did not know his roommate who was murdered, but it was very tragic indeed for him to find him, and I know it shook him up terribly. And yes, there are often simple explanations as you say with your kids. It takes a REAL JOLT ( in this case, finding his roommate dead with throat cut) to make one see what has really occurred. God forbid any of us should ever have to find anything of this nature. Why did Amanda and Raffale - if guilty - not go away for the weekend, to avoid being seen and questioned?
 
  • #833
Ha, are you talking to yourself :slap: .

The vicious cycle continues: a nonexistant 'flaw' in the case is seen from an internet poster's computer screen, we give the same valid reasoning and explanations for the perceived wronging of AK (again), then the 'crowd' moves to the next point of the massive conspiracy against the :innocent: AK.
And on and on.

:floorlaugh::floorlaugh:
 
  • #834
Frank has a new post on his site that I thought some of you might be interested in.

It seems that they found starch on the knife and only 5 picograms of unidentified DNA which is too small to test

"As we know no blood was found on the knife and it was decided not to take it apart since the scrubbing in the crevice did provide some substance "

http://perugia-shock.blogspot.com/

I think Franks remarks about the Oggi article are more interesting:

" Frank Sfarzo said...
When did Oggi publish that, on April 1st?...
Maybe they made a joke to people.
Or someone made a joke to them.

Or it's just the usual wishful thinking...

She's [Nara] a hear witness and now it comes out that she's almost deaf...
If she was an eyewitness she would have turned almost blind...
If her story implied a walk she would have turned almost paralytic...

Think about that..."
 
  • #835
He seemed to mention blood IIRC, and a locked door... he should have been a 'tad' more worried. That was the whole point wasn't it? Can't have it both ways... either worried about the break in and Meredith, or not so worried.

Actually, here's a third response: "It's probably nothing, but we don't know for sure and my sister said we should call you and let you check it out."

Why is the case against AK and RS so often made using black and white dichotomies? AK is either fluent in Italian or speaks not a word of it. The victim is practically the Madonna, so AK must be Satan's mistress. RS isn't an Eagle Scout, so he must be a serial killer. Filomena doesn't remember leaving her room a mess, so it must have been spotless. Etc. and so forth...
 
  • #836
Why would any burgler want to enter a 2nd story when there are easier ways and means? Statistics show though that this is common. Since I am personally not a burgler I unfortunately cannot understand there various reasons

Burgleries happen all the time even on the 2nd floor

Easier ways and means to do what? Enter a 2nd story?
... not following
 
  • #837
And furthermore, the cottage was basically a "dormitory" for AK and MK, and along with the boys downstairs, seems to have operated much like college housing. Certainly when I lived in a college dormitory very lax security was the norm and people wandered in and out of rooms at will; my niece is a freshman at a university in Hawaii and is experiencing much the same thing.

Under those circumstances, a door left open would not immediately cause alarm. Nor would a few drops of blood in a bathroom.
You are VERY right about this! I spent some time in off-campus housing, and same thing: Doors open, people bringing friends in and out late at night, very lax co-ed dorm feeling, even though it was technically a rental house some blocks away. I can see why Amanda would be more mildly puzzled than alarmed initially.
 
  • #838
Haha, that is the pic of the guy on the small window...lol.. I find that so funny. I am pretty sure somebody helped him up there. Why not show the first part?

The arrow to a 'scuff point' is proof of somebody climbing in? Did the defense forget to show this important piece of evidence?

The dust on the clothes are interesting but not decisive one way or the other. You are claiming it as fact that this is dust from the wall, but I am pretty sure that that is just your opinion. One side says a guy came up through the window and put the dust there. The other side says a guy/girl just went outside to get a big rock and the clothes were on the floor before breaking the window. The 2nd scenario is confirmed by the girl who actually lived in the room and testified on the situation in her own room.

All JMO.

You asked for a theory of how he got in the window. I gave it to you. It is plausible, which raises reasonable doubt. it's not my "opinion" on what those dust marks are on the clothes. It's the theory of another expert, and you're welcomed to read his entire theory on the links that have been posted on the past page or two in this thread.

To me, the most real part of it is, becomes the position of the rock, which has torn the shopping bag on its way into the room and landed half in the bag and half out. I'm not convinced someone staging a crime scene would place that rock on a bag and tear it and leave it half in the bag and half out. It is more logical for them to place it on the floor. There is also bits of the rock around the spot where it landed, proving that this is where is came to rest.

You might think someone helped the guy up to the window, but unless it's documented, we do not know how that guy got up to the window, or how Rudy got himself up to an office 15ft off the ground after breaking a window at another of his crime scenes. I do not know if the defense presented the scuff mark; however, the scuff mark is there, as people have been asking to see proof that someone was on the wall.

The illustration present a detailed and plausible way that Rudy got into the house. That creates reasonable doubt as to whether the scene was staged. Now, FR can say whatever she wants to say about how clean her room was, but we must agree that it is her opinion on what clean is. I'll tell you, my mom and I disagreed on what my idea of clean in my room was, but I'd swear to her that it was clean. I personally give less weight to what a person says versus what appears to be present, because people's memories are faulty, people not only made false confessions, but they've also been false witnesses against others. There are tons of studies about how someone will remember something incorrectly. So for me personally, I give less weight to people's actual statements on certain issues.

for example, FR could not be sure in what condition she left the shutters. So if she cannot be sure of that, I cannot be sure she's right about the condition in which she left the room. These are all minor details that no one thinks about when they are preparing to leave their house. I do not fault her, but I can understand how she might not recall correctly.

If you look at pictures of the glass spray, you will not see any glass stuck in the green shutters. This is because no glass hit them and got wedged, like a splinter. That means they were open when the rock flew. You also will see glass clear across the room tothe bedstand. The glass would not have flown backward at that force if it had been done inside the room.

If you look at the glass frame, you will see it's completely knocked out at the bottom as if someone had manually knocked it out. Look at other pictures of when an object hits a window and you will see that it does not perfectly knock 99% of the pieces out of the bottom, but creates shards. RG knocked those shards out manually to pull himself up. If you look closely at the glass, you can see pings in it where some glass was bent backward and broken off, as opposed to breaking the in direction it was originally struck toward.

Whether the glass was hit from inside or outside, we should see a little bit of glass outside. The investigators found none because they didn't look for it. Leaves had fallen that night and the glass should have been down beneath them either way. Once the perps opened the green shutters, if they'd been closed, enevitably, some glass would have fallen outside. This means that the breakin wasnt even thoroughly investigated to prove it false.

There are other notes I can make, too, and if you're interested, then I'll continue. As I said before, I have no dog in this fight, but i do not want to see someone railroaded. I DO want to see someone pay for Meredith.
 
  • #839
So the kitchen knife used during the murder was previously used to cut bread?
(ref: Frank's blog)
 
  • #840
I think Franks remarks about the Oggi article are more interesting:

" Frank Sfarzo said...
When did Oggi publish that, on April 1st?...
Maybe they made a joke to people.
Or someone made a joke to them.

Or it's just the usual wishful thinking...

She's [Nara] a hear witness and now it comes out that she's almost deaf...
If she was an eyewitness she would have turned almost blind...
If her story implied a walk she would have turned almost paralytic...

Think about that..."

I have not been able to verify whether this particular article was just that a hoax or legit. As such I will treat it that way unless I comes across articles that can confirm it. Some I do know is confirmed as for Nara I would personally like more information before I would determine the merit of it
 
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