WARNING:GRAPHIC PHOTOS Meredith Kercher murdered-Amanda Knox appeals conviction #9

[Allusonz]

The corroded clasp is unfortunate, but the original results still exist.

Nope they do not. Once contamination is introduced that piece of evidence should never be used in trial.

 

[otto]

It is a possibility; however, more probable that it came from cooking something with strach using the knife in question, since it is a kitchen knife. If it did come from the lab, it is further proof of a "possibly dirty lab," but I am not stating that it is indeed dirty.

I don't know. If the DNA was a result of contamination, but the starch is legit, that sounds like selective reasoning. Maybe the DNA is legit and the starch is a result of contamination ... maybe there was some starch on the inside of the gloves to make them easier to put on and remove and that starch was transferred to the knife handle.

 

[SMK]

One doesn't necessarily mean the other. They could have mopped, dusted, waxed, and cleaned the toilets in there, but didn't get all MK's DNA traces off the machine before starting again.

It's funny because I was reading an article about this case that said false assumptions on the premise (ie, the breakin being staged) led to more false assumptions (ie only AK could have done it) which led to more false assumptions (AK is the murder) which led to a false conclusion.

Same thing for PL. False assumption on what "See you later" meant for Americans led to false assumption that PL was involved. That led to a rigorous interrogation, where AK was hammered because the police "just knew" her and PL did this with RS. If they are under that belief because of the false premise, they will accept nothing from AK but agreement with it. Thus, she finally starts agreeing with it, which leads to his arrest.

I'm just saying these things because we have to be careful in our assumptions, make it known they're assumptions, be willing to be corrected if we're wrong, and basically stick with the facts and whether the facts bear out these assumptions.

Absolutely true!!

 

[Allusonz]

Assumption: Amanda Knox accused Patrick Lumumba of murder after two hours of questioning because she was deprived of the necessities of life.

That's funny.

I believe that your information with respect to this is incorrect and the water is trying to be muddied. Those are not what she claimed.

The only thing I find amusing is that her character is the only thing that some continue to fall back on in their arguments

 

[wasnt_me]

Assumption: Amanda Knox accused Patrick Lumumba of murder after two hours of questioning because she was deprived of the necessities of life.

That's funny.

Is it not my understanding that it took two hours. Where is the documentation on that? I honestly haven't even gotten to that part of my indepth studies, because I have still be studying this window. I have read over articles etc, but I have not looked at this incident in detail, so please let me know.

 

[otto]

Nope they do not. Once contamination is introduced that piece of evidence should never be used in trial.

What happened to the original test results? Have they disappeared?

 

[Allusonz]

What happened to the original test results? Have they disappeared?

They are contaminated would you like me to post my favorite video for you?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vEFPZgW9HA

 

[otto]

I believe that your information with respect to this is incorrect and the water is trying to be muddied. Those are not what she claimed.

The only thing I find amusing is that her character is the only thing that some continue to fall back on in their arguments

Claims were that Amanda was deprived of food and water, bopped on the head, and then she accused Patrick. This accusation came 2 hours after the start of the questioning on Nov 5 (shortly after she ate pizza with Raffaele).

There's nothing muddy about that.

 

[wasnt_me]

I don't know. If the DNA was a result of contamination, but the starch is legit, that sounds like selective reasoning. Maybe the DNA is legit and the starch is a result of contamination ... maybe there was some starch on the inside of the gloves to make them easier to put on and remove and that starch was transferred to the knife handle.

I think that all I did was make a theory about where the starch came from and in that theory I admitted that it could have come from the lab. I am not sure where I am using selective reasoning.

You make a reasonable case about starch coming out of the glove, if that's what's inside those gloves to make them easier to put on. I do not know. It is my understanding that the starch was located between the handle and the blade, where gunk normally builds on a knife. I looked at my "so called" clean knifes in my knife block and they have gunk like that where I have indicated.

There is another theory about how this test yielded this result. It's one that I don't ascribe to, and frankly, didn't quite understand. I'd have to find that article to see if you can make sense of it. But it was saying something about a LCN test eventually coming up with those results on its own. Like I said, I dont understand it, might not be explaining it right, and from what I did understand of it, I don't agree. But let me try to find it.

 

[otto]

Is it not my understanding that it took two hours. Where is the documentation on that? I honestly haven't even gotten to that part of my indepth studies, because I have still be studying this window. I have read over articles etc, but I have not looked at this incident in detail, so please let me know.

Read the book by Candace Dempsey ... it's laid out in black and white. Two hours after the questioning began, out popped the accusation.

 

[Allusonz]

Read the book by Candace Dempsey ... it's laid out in black and white. Two hours after the questioning began, out popped the accusation.

Man I am still having problems with my math

11:00 - 5:45 just does not add up to 2 hours no matter how I look at it

 

[otto]

Man I am still having problems with my math

11:00 - 5:45 just does not add up to 2 hours no matter how I look at it

She was questioned from 11:30 -1:45. At 1:45 she signed her statement ... meaning the accusation came out at about 1:30.

I thought you liked Dempsey as a reference. Are you thinking that she's lying about this point?

 

[Allusonz]

Claims were that Amanda was deprived of food and water, bopped on the head, and then she accused Patrick. This accusation came 2 hours after the start of the questioning on Nov 5 (shortly after she ate pizza with Raffaele).

There's nothing muddy about that.

In her testimony she stated she had been hit on the head. IIRC she was not allowed to go to the washroom. Yes they called them in just as they ordered their pizza hhhhhmmmmmmmm

 

[Allusonz]

She was questioned from 11:30 -1:45. At 1:45 she signed her statement ... meaning the accusation came out at about 1:30.

I thought you liked Dempsey as a reference. Are you thinking that she's lying about this point?

And of course you have audio/video of this fact?

 

[wasnt_me]

Claims were that Amanda was deprived of food and water, bopped on the head, and then she accused Patrick. This accusation came 2 hours after the start of the questioning on Nov 5 (shortly after she ate pizza with Raffaele).

There's nothing muddy about that.

I think the muddied part is "claims were..."

Read the book by Candace Dempsey ... it's laid out in black and white. Two hours after the questioning began, out popped the accusation.

An article or quote from the motivation or some other statement link would be good, so I can look it right now.

 

[wasnt_me]

Man I am still having problems with my math

11:00 - 5:45 just does not add up to 2 hours no matter how I look at it

Pizza at 545am, seriously?


Nevermind, y'all are saying pizza either right before interrogation or right after if 145am is correct.

 

[otto]

The interpreter arrived at 12:30 (pg 143; Dempsey), so nothing could be accomplished before that.

"At 1:45 AM on November 6, Amanda Knox accused her boss, Patrick Lmumba, of murder" (pg 146; Dempsey)

 

[otto]

And of course you have audio/video of this fact?

Am I mistaken again? I thought you liked Dempsey as a reference. Is that not true? She's certainly one of the family's best allies. Would she have any reason to lie about the times in her book?

 

[Allusonz]

Pizza at 545am, seriously?

No they had ordered pizza and were called in for the interrogation. Many try to state that this was not planned except they had 12 detectives ready for them which as most know rarely are these done overnight as that requires overtime for the detectives involved. Detectives normally work during the day so again something does not add up here. 12 of the 30 ILE that signed her statement at 5:45 were detectives. As well they forgot to videotape or use audio for any of these. These statements were typed in Italian and truly none of us knows what happened during this time or even if the times are accurate as it seems ILE cannot produce any type of recording

 

[otto]

Pizza at 545am, seriously?


Nevermind, y'all are saying pizza either right before interrogation or right after if 145am is correct.

Raffaele and Amanda were having pizza when Raffaele was asked to come to the station to answer some questions. Amanda went along for fun ... or some other unknown reason.