Warren Jeffs FLDS compound in Texas surrounded by police #3

[Leila]

On the phone call from the 16 year old girl to both Texas and Az. I wonder if they have checked phone records? That should give them an address of where the call came from or a cell phone owner. (unless it is non registered of course).

Authorities have been talking about her too much for her to be in a safe house. And they appeared to be searching for her pretty frantically. Most likely reason for the two phone calls is that she was spirited away from the compound after someone overheard her call or noted the number on the cell phone. Remember it was a 'borrowed' cell phone. If I am correct, through media FLDS now knows she also called someone in Az. and I fear her life is in danger if it isn't already too late.

The evidence list indicates there were a lot of cell phones confiscated by LE from the compound. If the 16-year-old didn't own a cell phone, she may have helped herself to one and used it, not knowing that she was leaving a record. If she was discovered, she may have been forced into making the second call, saying to forget what she said and that she was happy. Then, someone at the ranch took her out of there before LE raided the ranch.

The reporter on CNN tonight said that investigators believe the girl is not in Texas or Arizona and may be hundreds of miles away. This suggests that LE may have traced the calls, at least to a geographic area. The reporter also said that the girl didn't seem to know where she was. Flora Jessop, who escaped some years ago, said she's been getting calls from a girl in Colorado City, and the reporter speculated that it may be the same girl that made the call from the YFZ ranch.

 

[Leila]

I just read the list of evidence over at child brides. I must say it was very kind of them to put it out there for public info. But somehow I don't think it is complete. There was a report of sex toys being found- not on the list. There has been a report of a bed being found in the temple- no mention of the bed linens on the list and you know they would have taken them. There has been a report of a weapons cache being found- no mention on the list. I believe that list has been sanitized.

I must say that for such an isolated community there were an awful lot of computers found. Anyone else think they will find child on at least some of them? I think they will.

ETA: Considering that some FLDS members reside in other areas, considering that some FLDS members of the compound were away at the time of the raid, I think it is safe to say they did not get all the computers. Having seen the efforts of the FLDS to use the media to stir things up by denying, claiming their 'rights' have been violated, and try to stir up emotion it makes me wonder if any of the members have been assigned to search out where they are discussing the raid on the internet and add additional rumors and pleadings to the fire.

I went through the evidence list, all 88 pages of it, tonight. I did note that on the list was "silk linens", and wondered if those were from the bed in the temple. But, otherwise, there was no mention of guns or sex toys. I was surprised at the amount of items on the list, and glad to see all the birth records, marriage records, school records, pictures, and family pedigree charts.........that will help identify the children.

I wonder if there's a second evidence list that was compiled by the FBI, and maybe the guns are on that list?

 

[Trino]

The evidence list indicates there were a lot of cell phones confiscated by LE from the compound. If the 16-year-old didn't own a cell phone, she may have helped herself to one and used it, not knowing that she was leaving a record. If she was discovered, she may have been forced into making the second call, saying to forget what she said and that she was happy. Then, someone at the ranch took her out of there before LE raided the ranch.

The reporter on CNN tonight said that investigators believe the girl is not in Texas or Arizona and may be hundreds of miles away. This suggests that LE may have traced the calls, at least to a geographic area. The reporter also said that the girl didn't seem to know where she was. Flora Jessop, who escaped some years ago, said she's been getting calls from a girl in Colorado City, and the reporter speculated that it may be the same girl that made the call from the YFZ ranch.

If FLDS already know who she is, i.e., name, why not release a tape of her phone call?

 

[golfmom]

If FLDS already know who she is, i.e., name, why not release a tape of her phone call?

Someone would surely recognize her voice. Even if she is safe, one of the methods of keeping control is threatening loved ones.

 

[Floh]

With all the government contracts the FLDS has, and further knowledge of how they don't pay their people properly, and use child labour (i knew those child-size wheelbarrows weren't toys), and mass reporting to the general public, i believe i can hear chickens coming home to roost.

i surely hope so . . .

 

[barb0301]

If FLDS already know who she is, i.e., name, why not release a tape of her phone call?

The calls in TX came in to a domestic violence hotline, where they don't tape the phone calls.

 

[Trino]

If the girl may have been some place else, perhaps 100's of miles away, was her call about another compound?

 

[Linda7NJ]

Mothers of Some Children Forced to Leave

Tuesday, April 15, 2008
By JENNIFER DOBNER and MICHAEL GRACZYK, Associated Press Writers
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SAN ANGELO, Texas —
Texas officials who took 416 children from a polygamist retreat into state custody sent many of their mothers away Monday, as a judge and lawyers struggled with a legal and logistical morass in one of the biggest child-custody cases in U.S. history.

Of the 139 women who voluntarily left the compound with their children since an April 3 raid, only those with children 4 or younger were allowed to continue staying with them, said Marissa Gonzales, spokewoman for the state Children's Protective Services agency. She did not know how many women stayed.

"It is not the normal practice to allow parents to accompany the child when an abuse allegation is made," she said.

The women were given a choice: Return to the Eldorado ranch of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, a renegade Mormon sect, or go to another safe location. Some women chose the latter, Gonzales said.

On Monday night, about three dozen women, many of them mothers, sobbed and held onto each other outside a log cabin on the sect's ranch, recounting the way police officers encircled them in a room and told them that they could not stay.

One woman, Marie, said the women weren't allowed to say goodbye to their crying children.

"They said, 'your children are ours,'" said the sobbing 32-year-old whose three sons are aged 9, 7 and 5 and who would not give her last name. "We could not even ask a question."

She said the children at the ranch have not been abused, but she feels like "they are being abused from this experience." She said the children have been "have been so protected and loved."

The women believe the abuse complaint that led to the raid came from a bitter person outside their community.

Brenda, a 37-year-old mother of two, said CPS officials did not tell the women they would be separated from their children or why the children were removed from the compound. CPS also gave the women inaccurate information about opportunties to meet with attorneys, she said.

"We got to where we said, we cannot believe a word you say. We cannot trust you," she said.

A call to CPS for comment on the women's claims was not immediately returned Monday night.

way more at link
http://www.foxnews.com/wires/2008Apr15/0,4670,PolygamistRetreat,00.html
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[Linda7NJ]

Adnoid says to Michael Piccarreta: "Shut that hole in your face, you worthless clown."

:clap: :clap: :clap: :woohoo: :woohoo: Couldn't agree more

 

[GIRattlesnakeJane]

I don't see how the State or States can give welfare, food stamps etc. to people who have agreed to give up everything to their church. The compound in El Dorado was built in less than 24 months, orchards planted and a few homes erected too. Doesn't State aid require a home visitation to confirm the applicants address, income, as well as marital status? Personal belief- State aid should be denied anyone living in communal settings it is obvious that in a communal setting that personal income is not truthfully reported
Several question haunt me.
Where are these children born? Do the mothers get prenatal care?
If they are born at home and if complications arise do they seek outside medical help?
I would think from national statistics that such young girls giving birth would be riskier and more likely than not that birth injuries, and maternal /fetal complications would arise. If prenatal care is given would it not be an obligation of the treating physician to report the age of the woman/child giving birth. You can say you are 18 but your body development can"t support that lie.
Maybe a search of the compound looking for grave sites is in order.

 

[Floh]

I don't see how the State or States can give welfare, food stamps etc. to people who have agreed to give up everything to their church. The compound in El Dorado was built in less than 24 months, orchards planted and a few homes erected too. Doesn't State aid require a home visitation to confirm the applicants address, income, as well as marital status? Personal belief- State aid should be denied anyone living in communal settings it is obvious that in a communal setting that personal income is not truthfully reported
Several question haunt me.
Where are these children born? Do the mothers get prenatal care?
If they are born at home and if complications arise do they seek outside medical help?
I would think from national statistics that such young girls giving birth would be riskier and more likely than not that birth injuries, and maternal /fetal complications would arise. If prenatal care is given would it not be an obligation of the treating physician to report the age of the woman/child giving birth. You can say you are 18 but your body development can"t support that lie.
Maybe a search of the compound looking for grave sites is in order.

I would have to believe this is being done.

 

[SuziQ]

Here is a CNN vid regarding the PI and Flora Jessop talking about the 16 year old girl, and the unusual FLDS meeting. Some good footage of Colorado City.

http://www.emailthis.clickability.com/et/emailThis?clickMap=viewThis&etMailToID=537590811

ETA: Video of FLDS leaders coming after the reporters van.

 

[GIRattlesnakeJane]

Where do they get their money? No junker vehicles blocking view of reporters. I know that Medicaid asks questions on applications like if person owns a vehicle and if yes what age of vehicle. This is also a case of Medicaid fraud as the answers given on applications must be false.
The fact that the women questioned are giving different names each and every time they are questioned should be enough to throw them in jail for interferring with a police investigation and no mercy should be shown to those who are not cooperating fully.

 

[curious1]

With all the gov't contracts and now 'uncovering' the use of child labor and not paying wages how can we make sure the gov't persues this and does not drop the ball once this passes out of the limelight? We need to start writing to our senators and congressmen so they know we will not let this rest. This is OUR tax money being paid to these pedo's and abusers. Can one or more of you who is good with the research please start a thread where it will list the contracts and what agency awarded them? Then we would know who to contact. Thank you in advance.

 

[SewingDeb]

Mysteriew, linens were mentioned on the list but some of the other things you mentioned were not on there.

 

[sherri79]

Where do they get their money? No junker vehicles blocking view of reporters. I know that Medicaid asks questions on applications like if person owns a vehicle and if yes what age of vehicle. This is also a case of Medicaid fraud as the answers given on applications must be false.
The fact that the women questioned are giving different names each and every time they are questioned should be enough to throw them in jail for interferring with a police investigation and no mercy should be shown to those who are not cooperating fully.

as a single mother of six the woman could be honest and get cash from our government. they do not legally marry wife 2,3,4,...7. all of these wives are single mothers. then the single mothers turn their checks over to their spiritual husband who turns it over to the church. the mothers own nothing. all the vehicles you mentioned are owned by the men or the church.

in this country people collect welfare while playing the system all the time. the deference here is how well organized the FLDS was at it.

 

[Moe]

as a single mother of six the woman could be honest and get cash from our government. they do not legally marry wife 2,3,4,...7. all of these wives are single mothers. then the single mothers turn their checks over to their spiritual husband who turns it over to the church. the mothers own nothing. all the vehicles you mentioned are owned by the men or the church.

in this country people collect welfare while playing the system all the time. the deference here is how well organized the FLDS was at it.

I'm amazed that cheating, lying and stealing are not considered sins, oh wait, neither is pedophilia. All in the name of God, I'm sure God is happy with them too. This whole story is really starting to sicken me even more than it did in the beginning.

 

[sherri79]

I'm amazed that cheating, lying and stealing are not considered sins, oh wait, neither is pedophilia. All in the name of God, I'm sure God is happy with them too. This whole story is really starting to sicken me even more than it did in the beginning.

extremist can twist it to be ok. to lie to church members would be a sin but lie to non believers is ok. love your brother only applies to members of your church not the funerals you picket. extremist can convince themselves god wants them to fly planes in to buildings. we can see the proof of their warped minds but never really understand how they can twist themselves so much to make anything and everything ok if they claim god wants it.

 

[curious1]

My sister attends a more main stream type of church and they have her conviced that her husband abusing her and my nephew emotionally and physically is okay because he is the king of the house and just keeping them in line, but she better not divorce her husband because that is a sin. pffft Whatever, you idiots. :snooty:

 

[LinasK]

LinasK.............it's very concerning to think they may have kidnapped her!

Reading through the evidence list (88 pages worth) LE collected a tremendous amount of birth records, marriage records, a lot of photographs, school records, family pedigree charts (genealogy documents) and a lot of identifying material. I noted 85 CDs of records in addition to other hard-copy records. In the documents seized, there's material pertaining to a Sara/Sarah Jessop. There may be several by this name.

So the claim by the FLDS women who were interviewed at the YFZ ranch that Sarah Jessop doesn't exist - that there was no one there by that name and calling it a hoax, is a lie. She does exist.

I think that's got to be our girl Sarah.