Warren Jeffs FLDS compound in Texas surrounded by police #3

[LinasK]

Excellent idea GIRattlesnakeJane! Anybody have a picture of Barlow that we could add?

Here ya go, I'm hosting it myself:

 

[SweetPea2]

there's a pic of him here:

http://deseretnews.com/article/1,5143,695269868,00.html

http://www.childbrides.org/news_texas_des_Barlow_says_hes_wrong_guy.html

 

[LinasK]

Authorities have not located or identified the 16-year-old caller, who identified herself as Sarah, and women at the compound said Monday that no such person exists. "That person does not exist on this land," a woman who identified herself as Joy said.
http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/Story?id=4654643&page=2


That tells me this woman is telling a partial lie- that Sarah was there and they moved her, so now technically Joy isn't lying by saying Sarah currently does not exist on the YFZ compound!!! Keep in mind, one of their "directives" is to lie to outsiders.

 

[Floh]

I'm amazed that cheating, lying and stealing are not considered sins, oh wait, neither is pedophilia. All in the name of God, I'm sure God is happy with them too. This whole story is really starting to sicken me even more than it did in the beginning.

Me too. i finally broke down in floods of tears as this woman said there was nothing forced:

http://edition.cnn.com/video/?/video/us/2008/04/15/tuchman.colo.city.cnn

i have known about Eldorado from the early days of its founding and with clear knowledge of the torture people would have to go through there. and about Flora Jessop's mission for years and years, but finally i broke. as i saw some of those videos. i am staggered nothing has broken the chains these woman, children and young men have been under seemingly for all their lives.

believe me, i cling to my liberty even tighter. the total control must stop NOW!

 

[Floh]

there's a pic of him here:

http://deseretnews.com/article/1,5143,695269868,00.html

http://www.childbrides.org/news_texas_des_Barlow_says_hes_wrong_guy.html

Some fine looking children in the second photograph. may the shackles of their oppression be cut for good!

 

[Blue_Dolphin308]

For those of you that wanted to know how many woman went to shelters, Cnn is reporting 6 went to shelters.

 

[GIRattlesnakeJane]

IMO if you are unmarried and having children while on Medicaid you are committing child abuse.
Children born into poverty statistically speaking do far worse in school than their counterparts who are not born into poverty.
If you can't afford the children you have and are dependent on the state or federal government then birth control should be mandatory for all receiving this aid. No other children conceived after your initial claim period can or should be covered at any time . This would put an end to the Medicaid Mama's who have no desire to get off the States dole outs.
The argument but my religion forbids me is answered with then let your church or religious affiliation pay for them. I made a mistake and got pregnant, my birth control failed, all this is an excuse. Making US citizens responsible for your own mistakes or failures shows a lack of responsibility on our own part. The US government cannot by law favor anyone because of their religion or religious choices. End of argument.
Frankly I can 't afford the taxes I already pay let alone a raise in taxes to cover a foundering social service agency that is not administrated with more sense than God gave an earthworm. The fact that these people live in a commune should have been a factor in the decision to
give them aid to begin with. The children all have fathers and if the mothers can't or won't name them then DNA testing should have been ordered of all possible fathers named by the women. No names no aid. Child support is now pursued by Texas when the children are on State aid programs.This needs to be implemented on a Federal level to prevent State aid jumping- going from one State to another to gain aid when you have exhausted funds in one. Mandatory job training and job seeking should also be a requirement. Give a man a fish and you feed him for today. Teach a man to fish and he will feed himself for a lifetime. Write letters to your government officials, put an end to this type of abuse and cults like this one can't flourish and spread.

CNN has broadcast pictures of this fellow you might find one there.

 

[curious1]

Wow! GIRattlesnakeJane could not have said it better myself. :clap:

 

[SewingDeb]

"That person does not exist on this land,"

Either she is not alive or she is not on the property. That's the way I take that statement.

 

[Pepper]

For those of you that wanted to know how many woman went to shelters, Cnn is reporting 6 went to shelters.

Only 6 out of 139? I was hoping for more. I hope that as time passes more will be encouraged to leave.

The stories of the children being separated from their moms is tear wrenching, and many more stories will surface, but unfortunately necessary in order to protect the children from further abuse.

 

[Trino]

For those of you that wanted to know how many woman went to shelters, Cnn is reporting 6 went to shelters.

Unfortunately, this means 133 chose to return.

 

[Pepper]

Unfortunately, this means 133 chose to return.

What we don't know is how many of the 133 are still with their kids because they have chilren under the age of 5. (I'm guessing that of these, the kids 5 and over have been separated from the moms and only those children 4 and under can stay with the moms.)

 

[Blue_Dolphin308]

"That person does not exist on this land,"

Either she is not alive or she is not on the property. That's the way I take that statement.

The FDLS I beleive is shuffling her around between compounds. Cnn was reporting last night that they beleive that the 16 year old who place a call to arizona authorities, two days agao, is the same 16 year old who initiated this investigation in texas. They beleive that they are moving her around, and she is still trying to let authorties know that she needs help.

Keeping her in my thoughts!

 

[LinasK]

What we don't know is how many of the 133 are still with their kids because they have chilren under the age of 5. (I'm guessing that of these, the kids 5 and over have been separated from the moms and only those children 4 and under can stay with the moms.)

Well, most likely the ones with kids under four are younger mothers, although who knows at what age these perverts deem their women too old to breed. I'm hoping the younger mothers are less entrenched and won't be silencing their kids and encouraging them to lie the way the older enforcer women do.

 

[Clearly Confused]

For those of you that wanted to know how many woman went to shelters, Cnn is reporting 6 went to shelters.

Thanks! I hope they spill the beans!

 

[LinasK]

The FDLS I beleive is shuffling her around between compounds. Cnn was reporting last night that they beleive that the 16 year old who place a call to arizona authorities, two days agao, is the same 16 year old who initiated this investigation in texas. They beleive that they are moving her around, and she is still trying to let authorties know that she needs help.

Keeping her in my thoughts!

I hope they can find her through her cell phone location, like a 911 victim who doesn't know where they are, doesn't mean they don't need help! I really am starting to believe they caught her and kidnapped her.

 

[Clearly Confused]

IMO if you are unmarried and having children while on Medicaid you are committing child abuse.
Children born into poverty statistically speaking do far worse in school than their counterparts who are not born into poverty.
If you can't afford the children you have and are dependent on the state or federal government then birth control should be mandatory for all receiving this aid. No other children conceived after your initial claim period can or should be covered at any time . This would put an end to the Medicaid Mama's who have no desire to get off the States dole outs.
The argument but my religion forbids me is answered with then let your church or religious affiliation pay for them. I made a mistake and got pregnant, my birth control failed, all this is an excuse. Making US citizens responsible for your own mistakes or failures shows a lack of responsibility on our own part. The US government cannot by law favor anyone because of their religion or religious choices. End of argument.
Frankly I can 't afford the taxes I already pay let alone a raise in taxes to cover a foundering social service agency that is not administrated with more sense than God gave an earthworm. The fact that these people live in a commune should have been a factor in the decision to
give them aid to begin with. The children all have fathers and if the mothers can't or won't name them then DNA testing should have been ordered of all possible fathers named by the women. No names no aid. Child support is now pursued by Texas when the children are on State aid programs.This needs to be implemented on a Federal level to prevent State aid jumping- going from one State to another to gain aid when you have exhausted funds in one. Mandatory job training and job seeking should also be a requirement. Give a man a fish and you feed him for today. Teach a man to fish and he will feed himself for a lifetime. Write letters to your government officials, put an end to this type of abuse and cults like this one can't flourish and spread.

CNN has broadcast pictures of this fellow you might find one there.

Well said! I do believe there should be some type of limit on the length of time you can receive goverment assistance. Here in PA, they will go after the father for child support which the state keeps if you are receiving assistance.

 

[Hopeful One]

I'm having trouble keeping up because I'm at work. I apologize that I don't have time to read through everything, so could someone be so kind as to give me a link to the evidence list? TIA!!!

 

[Trino]

Well said! I do believe there should be some type of limit on the length of time you can receive goverment assistance. Here in PA, they will go after the father for child support which the state keeps if you are receiving assistance.

Maybe the women refuse to name the fathers or tell the state they do not know the father.

 

[SewingDeb]

The FDLS I beleive is shuffling her around between compounds. Cnn was reporting last night that they beleive that the 16 year old who place a call to arizona authorities, two days agao, is the same 16 year old who initiated this investigation in texas. They beleive that they are moving her around, and she is still trying to let authorties know that she needs help.

Keeping her in my thoughts!

I worry for her safety. I hope she is able to tell them at some point where she is located.