Warren Jeffs FLDS compound in Texas surrounded by police #3

[Anita Richman]

I wonder, at what age do the men & older women move past being brainwashed into being brainwashers? Some folks have obviously escaped over the years because some little voice inside stayed alive enough for them to know what was going on was wrong. When does that voice stop & they just go along with it thinking it's right?

Now I'm just rambling.....

No, I don't think you're rambling...I think you have great thoughts!

I honestly think that just like all of us, there is motivation (or lack of motivation) to do a certain thing. For some, being powerful might override their "discomfort". For others, the "reward" for being obedient might be worth more than what could happen if they were disobedient.

For a few, "freedom" might mean more than anything. (If those same souls were raised in a "normal" situation, they might be the ones bucking the social system...in whatever way they could.)

 

[Trino]

What a complicated case! Are they children? Are they adults? Anyone have records? Will the women be arrested? When will the men be arrested? Will the kids go to foster care? Will the women return to this cult after the case is over if they are free to go? Will the six who didn't return speak out? What will happen to these kids?

So many questions w/o answers.

 

[Leila]

I've been thinking about this as I ran a few errands this afternoon. This is just speculation on my part, but consider this scenario...........

On March 29th, Sarah made the call to a help line, giving her name - Sarah Barlow - and stating that she had been abused. She gave details of her sexual and physical abuse, and said she was 16 and had a 10-month-old daughter and was a few weeks pregnant.

On March 30th, Sarah made a second call and back-tracked, saying she had made a mistake and that she was happy. She wanted her first call disregarded.

On April 3rd, the sheriff enters the YFZ ranch to investigate, and on April 4th, Child Protective Services begins removing children from the ranch.

In this scenario, Sarah makes the call on March 29th, but is caught - perhaps by a sister-wife, who reports to her husband. Sarah is confronted and told she is to make a second call and retract what she told the authorities.

Sarah makes the call on March 30th and after the call is made, Sarah is taken away from the YFZ ranch to another location. I suspect she was taken by the women who later claimed they were "out of town" when the ranch was raided and their children taken.

If Sarah and the women left the next day, March 31st, and the women didn't get back until sometime after CPS began removing children on April 4th................... they traveled a long distance.

We don't know when the women returned, but at the minimum, they were gone 5 - 6 days. That would make their destination 2 to 3 days from El Dorado, Texas.

The FLDS may have acted to remove Sarah from the YFZ ranch under the belief that if authorities investigated, they would be looking for Sarah. They had no idea of what was about to unfold! None of them dreamed the authorities would remove ALL the children.

History tells us that sometimes women escape from the FLDS, but they sometimes don't get their children out. In this case, it's doubtful that Sarah's 10-month-old daughter went with her. Sarah's baby may be among the children that were removed.

Weeks down the road, when most all of the children have been identified, CPS may have one 10-month-old girl that remains unidentified. If the baby can somehow be identified as Sarah Barlows, the FLDS can't claim that Sarah Barlow doesn't exist.

 

[Blue_Dolphin308]

anderson cooper reporting on this now

mothers are complaining that they were lied to and mislead.
"they told us before we moved, they would take the children and mothers in one compound together......"

 

[Blue_Dolphin308]

they are saying that "sarah" once lived here, and didn't like it and turned traitor

 

[Blue_Dolphin308]

polygamsist are in the tens of thousands un the US

 

[Trino]

This seems very strange. 27 boys were moved 400 miles away to the Cal Farley Ranch for Boys and Girls. This "ranch" is a place for troubled kids, i. e. problem kids. Gosh. I can't see where the boys from FLDS fit in. How in the world are these two groups going to get along?

 

[jubie]

Mollymalone.

I just wanted to thank-you for the time you've taken to post so much information in a such an articulate and thorough manner. :clap:

Thanks a bunch!
Jubie

 

[Truly]

This seems very strange. 27 boys were moved 400 miles away to the Cal Farley Ranch for Boys and Girls. This "ranch" is a place for troubled kids, i. e. problem kids. Gosh. I can't see where the boys from FLDS fit in. How in the world are these two groups going to get along?

:waitasec: Huh? Where did you hear that? Do you have a link?

CPS does not disclose the location of any child who has been placed in temporary foster care.

 

[Leila]

On Greta Van Susteran, an attorney for the FLDS, who states he's not a member of the FLDS, answered questions. He says the 6 women who opted to go to a shelter instead of back to the YFZ ranch, did so because they thought if they went to the shelter they would get their children back sooner. They obtained attorneys and when they learned that going to a shelter would not facilitate getting their children back, called someone to come pick them up. They've now returned to the YFZ ranch.

 

[jubie]

This seems very strange. 27 boys were moved 400 miles away to the Cal Farley Ranch for Boys and Girls. This "ranch" is a place for troubled kids, i. e. problem kids. Gosh. I can't see where the boys from FLDS fit in. How in the world are these two groups going to get along?

Hi Trino,

Hmm, makes you wonder what they were thinking? Then again for all we know this is an excellent facility where these FLDS kids might be exposed to seeing they're not the only ones that might be considered 'different' and have the opportunity to talk about it. I mean don't you think these boys realize they're a minority and alot of the older boys/teens do get sent away... you know, the lost boys?


I sure hope it's for the best

J

 

[Trino]

:waitasec: Huh? Where did you hear that? Do you have a link?

CPS does not disclose the location of any child who has been placed in temporary foster care.

Well, it's just been disclosed. Try midway through the story:

Ihttp://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/story?id=4654643&page=1

 

[jubie]

On Greta Van Susteran, an attorney for the FLDS, who states he's not a member of the FLDS, answered questions. He says the 6 women who opted to go to a shelter instead of back to the YFZ ranch, did so because they thought if they went to the shelter they would get their children back sooner. They obtained attorneys and when they learned that going to a shelter would not facilitate getting their children back, called someone to come pick them up. They've now returned to the YFZ ranch.

Are you serious? Dang! I wonder if they got the message or figured that the other mums would take their kids back to the ranch?

J.

 

[Truly]

I've been thinking about this as I ran a few errands this afternoon. This is just speculation on my part, but consider this scenario...........

On March 29th, Sarah made the call to a help line, giving her name - Sarah Barlow - and stating that she had been abused. She gave details of her sexual and physical abuse, and said she was 16 and had a 10-month-old daughter and was a few weeks pregnant.

On March 30th, Sarah made a second call and back-tracked, saying she had made a mistake and that she was happy. She wanted her first call disregarded.

On April 3rd, the sheriff enters the YFZ ranch to investigate, and on April 4th, Child Protective Services begins removing children from the ranch.

In this scenario, Sarah makes the call on March 29th, but is caught - perhaps by a sister-wife, who reports to her husband. Sarah is confronted and told she is to make a second call and retract what she told the authorities.

Sarah makes the call on March 30th and after the call is made, Sarah is taken away from the YFZ ranch to another location. I suspect she was taken by the women who later claimed they were "out of town" when the ranch was raided and their children taken.

If Sarah and the women left the next day, March 31st, and the women didn't get back until sometime after CPS began removing children on April 4th................... they traveled a long distance.

We don't know when the women returned, but at the minimum, they were gone 5 - 6 days. That would make their destination 2 to 3 days from El Dorado, Texas.

The FLDS may have acted to remove Sarah from the YFZ ranch under the belief that if authorities investigated, they would be looking for Sarah. They had no idea of what was about to unfold! None of them dreamed the authorities would remove ALL the children.

History tells us that sometimes women escape from the FLDS, but they sometimes don't get their children out. In this case, it's doubtful that Sarah's 10-month-old daughter went with her. Sarah's baby may be among the children that were removed.

Weeks down the road, when most all of the children have been identified, CPS may have one 10-month-old girl that remains unidentified. If the baby can somehow be identified as Sarah Barlows, the FLDS can't claim that Sarah Barlow doesn't exist.

That is an interesting scenario, Leila. Is the compound in Bountiful, BC FLDS? Does this sect also have a compound in Mexico? If Sarah was taken out of the country, there would be records of the women returning.

I am hopeful that Sarah is with the 18 pregnant girls who were placed immediately into temporary foster care. If she is still being held by the cult, I am afraid she is in grave danger.

 

[barb0301]

From: http://www.sltrib.com/polygamy/ci_8937160

"Dan Adams, president of the Cal Farley's Boys Ranch 35 miles northwest of Amarillo, confirmed today that 27 of the FLDS adolescent boys are now in temporary foster care at the ranch.
Meisner said a judge signed an order for their removal Monday.
The boys, Adams said, are in one of the 28 homes on the 11,000-acre ranch and will be kept separate from other residents from throughout the country."

 

[Fairy1]

On Greta Van Susteran, an attorney for the FLDS, who states he's not a member of the FLDS, answered questions. He says the 6 women who opted to go to a shelter instead of back to the YFZ ranch, did so because they thought if they went to the shelter they would get their children back sooner. They obtained attorneys and when they learned that going to a shelter would not facilitate getting their children back, called someone to come pick them up. They've now returned to the YFZ ranch.

I guarantee this attorney is FLDS and he's not being truthful about these women.

The bottom line is, under any other circumstances, if a child or children are removed from their home where any kind of abuse is suspected, the mothers would NOT be tagging along. We either have specific laws that should be followed or we don't. I saw some of the FLDS "mothers" on the news (national) tonight. These are the same women who hide behind walls under any other circumstances. Whining about how they don't know what's happening and they just want their children back. Trust me, this is their PR campaign designed to cause the American public to stand up and insist the children be returned to their families. They have been trained to do what they are doing now.

 

[Truly]

Well, it's just been disclosed. Try midway through the story:

Ihttp://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/story?id=4654643&page=1

Thanks, Trino!

http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/story?id=4654643&page=1

Perhaps that facility has staff experienced in trying to guide teenage boys who had been brought up in abusive environments. These boys have probably seen elder men rape young girls right there in the temple beds, and have probably been taught that they also had the right to own young girls. I imagine that it may also have been difficult to find a facility nearby where all 27 teenage boys could remain together.

 

[Blue_Dolphin308]

Now there is a pettion!

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/2/free-the-innocent-flds

 

[Trino]

Well, the 27 boys that were transferred to the Cal Farley Ranch will certainly be getting an education.

 

[Fairy1]

Outside of Hildale, Colorado City and Eldorado, there are many much smaller polygamist communities in the US. Sarah could have been sent away to any one of them. Or worse. I sincerely hope LE has enough evidence to put a stop to this sick sect without putting Sarah through any more hell.