Warren Jeffs FLDS compound in Texas surrounded by police #3

[Truly]

http://www.timesrecordnews.com/news/2008/apr/16/opinions-differ-flds-classification/

"Neither the FLDS nor the YFZ Ranch — scene of suspected child sexual and physical abuse — has filed for status as a nonprofit organization with the IRS, an IRS spokesman said. In Schleicher County, records reflect the YFZ Ranch near Eldorado, Texas, has not requested an exemption from property taxes as a religious organization, an option for qualifying property.

The YFZ Ranch’s property tax tab adds up to $1 million from 2004 when the sect first began paying property taxes through 2007, according to the Schleicher County Appraisal District. The tax bill raises the question of how the compound is being funded.

“It’s nothing more than a cult,” said Benjamin Bistline, who spent years as a devoted FLDS member in Short Creek, Ariz. “A cult is controlled by one person. What he says goes or you get booted.”
After 40 years in the group, Bistline left in 1987 because leaders of the religious community, formerly “Priesthood Group,” refused to give him a second wife.
“The women and kids aren’t criminals,” Bistline said. “But the men, they need to suffer.”

But neither the FLDS nor the YFZ Ranch — scene of suspected child sexual and physical abuse — has filed for status as a nonprofit organization with the IRS, an IRS spokesman said.
The YFZ Ranch’s property tax tab adds up to $1 million from 2004 when the sect first began paying property taxes through 2007, according to the Schleicher County Appraisal District.
The tax bill raises the question of how the compound is being funded. So far, answers are scant.
Whatever the taxman’s viewpoint, an expert on Mormon splinter groups considers FLDS a church.

To meet the definition, a church needs only a small group of people meeting to share religion and some sort of chain of command, said Steven Shields.

Thanks, as always, molly for all of your excellent links.

I have two questions about the above, in addition to the FLDS finances, which is a huge concern. First, do I read that correctly; that the FLDS at Short Creek used to call itself The Priesthood Group?

And second, if the FLDS never filed for tax-exempt status, are they even on file as a church at all? Maybe they are in fact simply a pedophile cult with no claim to religious rights?

The chain of command requirement to become a church is something I just found to be quite strange... although somewhat explanatory when looking at the history of religions.

 

[cheko1]

Can you imagine what the men of the FLDS are saying about a lady judge presiding over the cases? Wheweeeeeeeee The men thinking all women are beneath them. They'll fly into a fit of rage before this is all over.

 

[Floh]

As always, up to the lovely mods!

I think there is so much more to come out. and i believe we are not talking weeks or months, but years.

 

[cheko1]

Thanks, as always, molly for all of your excellent links.

I have two questions about the above, in addition to the FLDS finances, which is a huge concern. First, do I read that correctly; that the FLDS at Short Creek used to call itself The Priesthood Group?

And second, if the FLDS never filed for tax-exempt status, are they even on file as a church at all? Maybe they are in fact simply a pedophile cult with no claim to religious rights?

The chain of command requirement to become a church is something I just found to be quite strange... although somewhat explanatory when looking at the history of religions.

I always wondered how they filed taxes with the IRS.
How can a man claim 6 wives or more & 60 kids?????

 

[Taximom]

I always wondered how they filed taxes with the IRS.
How can a man claim 6 wives or more & 60 kids?????

They would use IRS Form Pedopoly1040.

 

[cheko1]

They would use IRS Form Pedopoly1040.

LMAO Taximom!!!! My thoughts exactly....

 

[Truly]

They would use IRS Form Pedopoly1040.

LOL! They'd use the short form...which reads...

LINE 1: HOW MUCH MONEY DID YOU MAKE LAST YEAR?

LINE 2: SEND IT IN!

 

[Blue_Dolphin308]

Hey guys mind if I start a new thread for the court cases and etc?? Any Objections!?

 

[Floh]

Hey guys mind if I start a new thread for the court cases and etc?? Any Objections!?

None at all! :blowkiss:

 

[Leila]

wow this thread is suddenly very quiet. Is there no body around to defend these poor women?

I was reading this thread, watching Larry King Live and Anderson Cooper's 360, when the doorbell rang and it was a neighbor stopping by. We got to chatting and I'm just now getting back to this thread.

Having watched the FLDS women being interviewed has been very interesting. It's very clear that they have been heavily coached in what to say and do. It's very scripted.............they are only to make a strong appeal for the return of their children. They've been told to act tearful...........a propaganda piece. I suspect we won't be seeing any more interviews with FLDS women after tomorrow.

The tour of Marilyn's home was mind-boggling. The kitchen looked institutional. The living room was almost frightening, with a lone easy chair and numerous straight-back chairs like one would see in a school auditorium in several semi-circles facing that lone chair. I can guarantee that none of the women ever sit in that lone easy chair - that's reserved for the husband of the family. The sheer amount of chairs in that living room is overwhelming. One think I noticed, were several pictures of Warren Jeffs on the walls. In the kitchen, on a wall behind the table, was a group of about a dozen pictures of men.

 

[cheko1]

lol! hahahaha! That was the funniest thing I think I've ever seen. I know some will think I'm cruel, but IMO these women, holier than thou Christian Women, just looked straight into the camera and LIED THIER OFF.They werwe ALL 20 or 21 when married. yeah right. Notice Larry didn't ask then about the babies being waterboarded and beaten and they themselves being beaten. Because he knew these good Christian Woman would just look into the camera a lie their off. There is nothing I abhor more than a hypocrite on TV. If I had an sympathy at all once they just romoved it. I'm glad the children are not with them and I don't feel one bit sorry for these liars.

I can hardly watch them because I want to go threw the TV and beech slap them. I understand yes they might be brainwashed. But this is as ignorant as people can get.

 

[Blue_Dolphin308]

Ok Here is the new thread
http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2142662#post2142662

 

[philamena]

Can you imagine what the men of the FLDS are saying about a lady judge presiding over the cases? Wheweeeeeeeee The men thinking all women are beneath them. They'll fly into a fit of rage before this is all over.

Oh man, cheko, the men may blow a gasket.
I must say I find the female judge quite fitting.:crazy:

 

[cheko1]

Oh man, cheko, the men may blow a gasket.
I must say I find the female judge quite fitting.:crazy:

I hope they all get totally radical with the judge tomorrow & thrown in jail. Serve the old buzzards right!lol

 

[philamena]

you got that right, lol.
Tomorrow will definitely be interesting.

 

[Blue_Dolphin308]

Guys the new thread is here please!

Ok Here is the new thread
http://websleuths.com/forums/showthr...62#post2142662

 

[trixie]

Oh man, cheko, the men may blow a gasket.
I must say I find the female judge quite fitting.:crazy:

Gods justice maybe?

 

[trixie]

LOL, I'll take the challenge.

Let's see. They are their children and only they have the right to say how they will be raised. If one of their children dies from child abuse or waterboarding, it is God's will. If one of their children dies from too early pregnancy, it is God's will. If they die from that beating, it is God's will. If the child is born to too young a mother and then dies or the mother miscarries- it is God's will. If they or their daughters disobey their husbands, they deserve to be beaten until they submit- it is God's will. God put them on earth to suffer through this life, but if they are very very good to the church and their husbands then someday, maybe, really maybe- their husband just might choose to allow them to rule a planet with him. Maybe. So above all, their husband must be pleased. They must choose their husband over their surviving children.... it is God's will.

Their sole purpose in life is to please their husbands and be fruitful and have many children. They can own nothing and have nothing, except their children (and those belong to the church.) How will they ever prove to their husbands that they are worthy of being chosen, if they do not have their children? Thus, the state must give the children back.

One thing I am confused about. If each man with three or more wives gets a planet to rule, who are they going to be ruling over? If a child is born too soon or dies young, where do they go? Where do the wives who are not chosen go?

lol! Boy oh boy, you can just tell this "religion" was started by a man.

 

[mysteriew]

ROLMAO!!! Cheko, Adnoid you made me wet myself a little bit!

 

[cheko1]

ROLMAO!!! Cheko, Adnoid you made me wet myself a little bit!

Sorry mysteryview!!! LOL