Warren Jeffs FLDS compound in Texas surrounded by police #3

[Truly]

Guys the new thread is here please!

Ok Here is the new thread
http://websleuths.com/forums/showthr...62#post2142662

Ladybass, that is the thread for the court proceedings which begin tommorrow, correct? So that people can check in for updates from the court without having to wade through everything else? I am new, so I do not know how the mods go about choosing which cases should be divided up into many threads. Maybe you should PM a mod? It does seem that this case has many facets.

 

[Blue_Dolphin308]

Ladybass, that is the thread for the court proceedings which begin tommorrow, correct? So that people can check in for updates from the court without having to wade through everything else? I am new, so I do not know how the mods go about choosing which cases should be divided up into many threads. Maybe you should PM a mod?

I got the mods permision to start a new thread. Basically I started it so that we could discuss the proceedings, and not have to scroll through 36 different pages.

 

[Truly]

I got the mods permision to start a new thread. Basically I started it so that we could discuss the proceedings, and not have to scroll through 36 different pages.

Please forgive my ignorance. :blowkiss: Should people stop posting in this thread, or is the new thread for Court Proceedings only? Thanks, I just don't know how it works.:blowkiss:

 

[Blue_Dolphin308]

Please forgive my ignorance. :blowkiss: Should people stop posting in this thread, or is the new thread for Court Proceedings only? Thanks, I just don't know how it works.:blowkiss:

Not entirely sure lol. If we post here we will ahve to scroll through the pages. And if we start posting there we will have to scroll through those pages. hmmmmm either or I guess.

 

[Floh]

Not entirely sure lol. If we post here we will ahve to scroll through the pages. And if we start posting there we will have to scroll through those pages. hmmmmm either or I guess.

I'm hopeful a new forum devoted to this case will be started with all the threads gathered up, as i believe there are many, many more posts to come.

Then we can have court proceedings reported with no discussion allowed so things are all in one place.

 

[Blue_Dolphin308]

I'm hopeful a new forum devoted to this case will be started with all the threads gathered up, as i believe there are many, many more posts to come.

Then we can have court proceedings reported with no discussion allowed so things are all in one place.

The mods are working on a new forum already. Hopefully it will be soon!

 

[Floh]

The mods are working on a new forum already. Hopefully it will be soon!

:woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:

 

[mollymalone]

Thanks, as always, molly for all of your excellent links.

I have two questions about the above, in addition to the FLDS finances, which is a huge concern. First, do I read that correctly; that the FLDS at Short Creek used to call itself The Priesthood Group?

And second, if the FLDS never filed for tax-exempt status, are they even on file as a church at all? Maybe they are in fact simply a pedophile cult with no claim to religious rights?

The chain of command requirement to become a church is something I just found to be quite strange... although somewhat explanatory when looking at the history of religions.

Yes, that's correct. I believe Warren Jeffs also told Merrill Jessop that he was the true head of the priesthood when he got slammed into the slammer. I would imagine they still call themselves that.
MMMM Good question!! They don't pay social security, in most cases they don't pay taxes, but they collect the welfare funds and any other funds they can get...most religious groups file for tax extempt status.

They fit the criteria for cult and they've been labeled a hate group, so I'd call them a cult that exploits children.

 

[LinasK]

I read an article today where a journalist was asking those same questions and then he asked about the charges against Warren Jeffs that resulted in his incarceration.

The woman, Janet (I think that was her name) said those were just "stories."

The women all say that "that sarah doesn't live here" ; there's no one alive by that name"; or "she used to live here but got mad and left";

Again, it's just stories, only this time they're the ones telling them.

Oh no, I hope they didn't kill her!

 

[Floh]

Oh no, I hope they didn't kill her!

I have the feeling they did.

 

[LinasK]

http://www.timesrecordnews.com/news/2008/apr/16/opinions-differ-flds-classification/

"Neither the FLDS nor the YFZ Ranch — scene of suspected child sexual and physical abuse — has filed for status as a nonprofit organization with the IRS, an IRS spokesman said. In Schleicher County, records reflect the YFZ Ranch near Eldorado, Texas, has not requested an exemption from property taxes as a religious organization, an option for qualifying property.

The YFZ Ranch’s property tax tab adds up to $1 million from 2004 when the sect first began paying property taxes through 2007, according to the Schleicher County Appraisal District. The tax bill raises the question of how the compound is being funded.

Allright! The IRS is onto them!:woohoo::woohoo::woohoo:

 

[LinasK]

:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

They would use IRS Form Pedopoly1040.

 

[mysteriew]

Allright! The IRS is onto them!:woohoo::woohoo::woohoo:

You know that brings up a question. FLDS is claiming religous prosecution. So legally how is a church defined? The FLDS has not asked for non-profit for churches. They are not affiliated with any established religions (that is not a requirement I know, but just a statement). So what defines them as a church/religion, vs. say a para-military org. or a large financial company? Can just anyone say well I believe this, and all employees who are going to work for me also have to believe this?

Also, would you say that the majority of the employees in the companies owned by the FLDS are members? So if a non-member who is of a minority race applied for a job, and had a different "religion" would that be discrimination?

 

[Mygirlsadie]

Ok what's up with the accents? I was watching some of the mothers whine on the news and their accents sound foreign. (Kind of like Madonna)

 

[Blue_Dolphin308]

Morning everyone!

 

[WholeLottaRosie]

You know that brings up a question. FLDS is claiming religous prosecution. So legally how is a church defined? The FLDS has not asked for non-profit for churches. They are not affiliated with any established religions (that is not a requirement I know, but just a statement). So what defines them as a church/religion, vs. say a para-military org. or a large financial company? Can just anyone say well I believe this, and all employees who are going to work for me also have to believe this?

Also, would you say that the majority of the employees in the companies owned by the FLDS are members? So if a non-member who is of a minority race applied for a job, and had a different "religion" would that be discrimination?

I don't know. I think you pretty much are a church if you say you are. I, along with my husband, are head of a church we founded. We filed with our county. We see no reason to be tax exempt and at this time are not. But we legally have a church and because we and our group say we are, we are.

 

[WholeLottaRosie]

I thought of something. IIRC back when one of the leaders of the East Coast Mafia - can't think of his name off the top of my head - was sent to prison some years back, although I think he has since died, I thought some action was taken by the prison system to stop him from continuing to run his empire behind bars. So, how is Jeffs getting away with this? Anyone know?

 

[CarpeDiem]

Coverage of today's hearing here:

http://www.deseretnews.com/home

 

[CarpeDiem]

Morning everyone!

Good Afternoon.

 

[Blue_Dolphin308]

Coverage of today's hearing here:

http://www.deseretnews.com/home

Can anything haveng to do with the court case go in this link please? So we can stay as organized as possible.

Thanks!