Warren Jeffs FLDS compound in Texas surrounded by police #3

[Glow]

Hi tnajk!

Welcome to Websleuths, its nice to have you here! :blowkiss:

 

[Leila]

OMG


"Former FLDS Church member Robert Richter reported to the Phoenix New Times that Warren Jeffs has repeatedly alluded to the nineteenth century Mormon teaching of "blood atonement" in church sermons. Under the doctrine of blood atonement, certain serious sins can only be atoned for by the sinner's death. Richter also claims that he was asked to design a thermostat for a high-temperature furnace that would be capable of destroying DNA evidence if such "atonements" were to take place"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fundam...us_Christ_of_Latter_Day_Saints#Temple_worship

I guess we know where Jeff's was headed with this - no identification of anyone who might pay the ultimate "blood atonement."

It looks like the YFZ ranch was planned to be Jeffs own little kingdom, where he decided who was to marry whom, who was to live, who was to die.

 

[Trino]

I guess we know where Jeff's was headed with this - no identification of anyone who might pay the ultimate "blood atonement."

Bet we can guess that it was NOT Jeffs.

 

[Blue_Dolphin308]

President of the state of texas bar


Children are still not opening up to there lawyers.

 

[BarnGoddess]

I've been trying to follow all this bloody mess. I have a question. Hope someone can answer me.

Isn't the FLDS breaking a Texas and a Federal law? Aren't births supposed to be registered by law? Social Security numbers are handed out to infants now. If no one know's who's who out there, then why are these people above the law of the land the rest of us must obey?

 

[KR2tonenow]

I guess we know where Jeff's was headed with this - no identification of anyone who might pay the ultimate "blood atonement."

It looks like the YFZ ranch was planned to be Jeffs own little kingdom, where he decided who was to marry whom, who was to live, who was to die.

It's completely un-nerving that this type of sect still is in our society. This will be a long drawn out case.

I hope the IRS gets ahold of the compound! These women look un-normal, almost un-real to modern society. Shocking is right!

 

[SewingDeb]

That's a great question BarnGoddess. You would think they would have to register all births (and deaths) with the state or be in violation of the law.

 

[BarnGoddess]

That's a great question BarnGoddess. You would think they would have to register all births (and deaths) with the state or be in violation of the law.

in googling, I found another forum, Early Retirement of something like that that had a discussion. Someone mentioned that telling a young pregnant girl's actual age was nearly impossible if there were no birth records. Interesting.

 

[SewingDeb]

in googling, I found another forum, Early Retirement of something like that that had a discussion. Someone mentioned that telling a young pregnant girl's actual age was nearly impossible if there were no birth records. Interesting.

Hmmm...can't physicians tell by their teeth and bones? It might be hard but probably not impossible.

In the list of items taken in the search, there were plenty of birth and death records, family trees, etc. Of course, if they won't tell their real names and parent's names, that doesn't help much.

 

[Leila]

I've been trying to follow all this bloody mess. I have a question. Hope someone can answer me.

Isn't the FLDS breaking a Texas and a Federal law? Aren't births supposed to be registered by law? Social Security numbers are handed out to infants now. If no one know's who's who out there, then why are these people above the law of the land the rest of us must obey?

Yes, the births and deaths are supposed to be registered by law, and I would think this is another violation that could and should be levied against the FLDS.

Here is a picture taken from a helicopter by a photographer who was taking pictures of the YFZ ranch in the very early days of the raid. It's clearly two graves, and I wonder if those deaths have been reported to the state?

Here's the website for the pictures - the above picture is on page 2 of the site. Some of the most recent are excellent!

http://www.trenthead.com/?cat=33

 

[BarnGoddess]

It looks as if there are now two properties in Colorado. Another one came to light the other day.

Crawford, the latest:

http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=3076545

One we knew about from Jon Krakauer:

http://www.childbrides.org/colorado_YFZ_exclusive_by_Krakauer.html

 

[philamena]

I've been trying to follow all this bloody mess. I have a question. Hope someone can answer me.

Isn't the FLDS breaking a Texas and a Federal law? Aren't births supposed to be registered by law? Social Security numbers are handed out to infants now. If no one know's who's who out there, then why are these people above the law of the land the rest of us must obey?

Hey BG,
Those questions were asked tonight on LKL. The answer is yes, births are supposed to be registered. Deaths are supposed to be registered and children are supposed to be protected from sexual predators and forced marriage is supposen to be illegal. The compound makes its own law.

According to the atty on LKL, the compound keeps people out for a reason...the above are only a few.

Another reporter said that TX LE thought only about 100 people TOTAL lived in the compound. They had no idea there would be over 400 children alone.

Another guest was a female who ran away from one of these compounds years ago. She said that people were beaten nearly to death and some to death.... especially boys for not living by the law. Her brother was tortured. She also said that it's common for men to marry their own daughters.

Glow,
Hey there,
Question, surely you don't want children in that environment do you?

 

[SewingDeb]

Leila,

Thanks for the picture and the link to more. What do you want to bet these deaths have not been reported to the state?

 

[BarnGoddess]

Thanks, Leila. Anyone else can help? Perhaps someone from the hearings thread?

 

[BarnGoddess]

Thanks Philamena. I appreciate it. Check out my Crawford, CO link. I saw this on the news the other night. Here we go again. A resident right near the new compound was livid about the fence. Blocking his view of the mountains. He's pissed.

 

[philamena]

BG,
Just read your article. I guess this is when things need to be investigated...when the compounds are being built but then again, peoples rights to assemble and rights to privacy have to be considered. Right?
I think the states where the FLDS is followed, should have legislature so investigations can be done early, so women and children are protected.

Another thing that was repeated today on Fox was that the women and children are constantly brain washed.

 

[Glow]

I've been trying to follow all this bloody mess. I have a question. Hope someone can answer me.

Isn't the FLDS breaking a Texas and a Federal law? Aren't births supposed to be registered by law? Social Security numbers are handed out to infants now. If no one know's who's who out there, then why are these people above the law of the land the rest of us must obey?

To respond to your 3 questions,

#!Ideally yes. Births are supposed to be registered. The facts are that in every state there are many babies born at home and in other situations where the birth never gets registered.

#2 As far as SS #s, the last I heard that is a loosely monitored situation. Most people WANT to register for the benefits later, but no one goes after those who for whatever reason haven't registered. Many children enter kindergarten with an SS# recently received.

#3 The most accurate answer here is that in their minds, they consider themselves "apart" from it rather than above it.

 

[philamena]

Humm that's interesting.... All I can say is this, in the state of VA, they could care less if the baby is born in the hospital or in a home but you can bet your butt, your little one needs a BC. Our children need to have their BC before entering school and even before playing peewee sports.

 

[barb0301]

Leila,

Thanks for the picture and the link to more. What do you want to bet these deaths have not been reported to the state?

Those 2 particular deaths had been properly reported to the state authorities. They mentioned that way back in the first week when asked why they had cadaver dogs. There is a woman and a child buried there.

 

[barb0301]

I believe that it is just texas attorny's at least that is what fox and cnn is reporting.

the TX Bar Association went out to all the members, and asked for TX attorneys. It would be anyone that had a license to practice in the state of TX, I assume, that could respond. I know that they are coming from all over here in TX. Have not heard of any out of state lawyers, other than some for FLDS, but they have hired a San Antonio lawyer.