Warren Jeffs FLDS compound in Texas surrounded by police #4

[Leila]

Good information on DNA testing, and how they WILL be able to sort out relationships (of course, that depends on whether or not the parents give DNA)

http://www.ksat.com/news/15935275/detail.html

Barb...........excellent article! I was impressed by the fact that even with intermarriages within the group that they will be able to sort it out and determine who the parents are.

One thing I've wondered about is what will happen if they do a DNA on a child and can't find a DNA match with any of the parents at the YFZ ranch? I'm thinking in particular of those children that Warren Jeffs reportedly removed from their biological parents in other states and placed them with a family in the Texas compound.

It sounds like CPS is thinking ahead on placements and planning on keeping siblings together.

 

[LinasK]

Hi Linask,

I am sorry that I didn't respond to you. I felt that some of your previous posts bordered on the "type" of posts that I let go right by. After reading your words above I felt that I should respond to you. I don't know you at all and you don't know me but the language of "childhood innocence" betrayed is universal. I could see it and feel it in your words. I am so sorry that the little girl that was you had to experience what you did. I can only imagine how confused and uncomfortable you felt when this other person acted as they did. I cant speak as to "what" category that individual falls in to. I don't know if this person who robbed you by their actions was an adult sexual predator or it was a teen aged baby sitter or neighbor boy. Perhaps it was a relative, it often is. Regardless I am so very sorry for what you were forced to experience as a little girl.

glow

Glow, thank-you. It happened a long time ago and I can deal with it emotionally on a regular basis. The reason I bring it up is because- can't you put yourself in the shoes of these young FLDS girls who have no choice? (I presume you chose to become sexually active at a young age based on your previous post). The sexual abuse is started upon them at a young age and they are being conditioned to accept it, they aren't even old enough to legally be able to consent if they knew they were being abused- (kinda like a comatose or mentally ill adult sexual abuse victim). I don't care at what age the medical definition of a pedophile is, it is happening in the FLDS community, even their own fathers and brothers have incest with them and molest them to "groom" them for marriage. It is happening on a wide scale, or so many children wouldn't have been removed. Having one's period does not make one physically or emotionally mature enough to have babies, only biologically. Evolution hasn't caught up with our longer life spans, if anything pollutants and carcinogens producing more estrogen are causing young girls to get their periods as young as age 8! I kid you not, I personally know of a friend's daughter whom that happened to.

 

[mysteriew]

Hi Linask,

I am sorry that I didn't respond to you. I felt that some of your previous posts bordered on the "type" of posts that I let go right by. After reading your words above I felt that I should respond to you. I don't know you at all and you don't know me but the language of "childhood innocence" betrayed is universal. I could see it and feel it in your words. I am so sorry that the little girl that was you had to experience what you did. I can only imagine how confused and uncomfortable you felt when this other person acted as they did. I cant speak as to "what" category that individual falls in to. I don't know if this person who robbed you by their actions was an adult sexual predator or it was a teen aged baby sitter or neighbor boy. Perhaps it was a relative, it often is. Regardless I am so very sorry for what you were forced to experience as a little girl.

glow

Glow, you mentioned earlier that many on this forum would have their own agendas. And you are right. Because many on this forum were abused in the past, including physical abuse, sexual abuse including rape, molestation and/or incest. Others were emotionally abused. Some who weren't abused themselves have seen it happen in their families. And those memories don't go away. So yes, I guess you can say that we have our own agenda. We don't want the children to go through any more abuse. And any mention of returning those children to an abusive environment before the investigation is complete and safeguards are set up for the children will bring most of us up out of our seats objecting- loudly.

 

[LinasK]

I'm sorry you were attacked in that way, Linask. (((hugs)))

Thanks Philamena. My molester is dead now, but I came upon his grave accidentally recently, which was traumatic for me. (It stated loving father and grandfather:sick::sick::sick. Had my father and daughter not been with me when I spotted it, I would have gladly tap danced on it seriously.

 

[Leila]

The FLDS has now set up two websites:

http://www.fldstruth.org/

and

http://www.captivefldschildren.org/index.php

 

[Leila]

That's specifically why this time I didn't state whom it was, because it is irrelevant. Posters who have known me for a long time know whom I am talking about.

LinasK..........((((((hugs))))))

 

[Glow]

Glow, you mentioned earlier that many on this forum would have their own agendas. And you are right. Because many on this forum were abused in the past, including physical abuse, sexual abuse including rape, molestation and/or incest. Others were emotionally abused. Some who weren't abused themselves have seen it happen in their families. And those memories don't go away. So yes, I guess you can say that we have our own agenda. We don't want the children to go through any more abuse. And any mention of returning those children to an abusive environment before the investigation is complete and safeguards are set up for the children will bring most of us up out of our seats objecting- loudly.

I agree. I just hope that everyone understands EXACTLY what we are turning these children over to. As per my previous link the state of Texas is not prepared to handle this. Abuse is simply abuse. If it takes place in a home the well meaning government put you in OR it takes place in your familiar home surroundings.

As far as abuse, there is no evidence of abuse of young children at YFZ.

 

[LinasK]

I read an article in my local newspaper today that stated that the FLDS is now admitting they have an active PR campaign, that the attorney Rod Parker has defended them before, and that he told the mothers to keep their focus on the children! He felt that if the public put names with their faces, that that would humanize them and gain public sympathy.:loser::loser::loser:

 

[mysteriew]

The FLDS has now set up two websites:

http://www.fldstruth.org/

and

http://www.captivefldschildren.org/index.php

LOL, such a 'pious' community that they shun coming in contact with 'others' and d*mn them to h*ll, suddenly is courting the media and consorting on the evil internet? LOL, who among that 'pious' community has been in contact with the evil internet enough that they know programming language?

 

[LinasK]

I agree. I just hope that everyone understands EXACTLY what we are turning these children over to. As per my previous link the state of Texas is not prepared to handle this. Abuse is simply abuse. If it takes place in a home the well meaning government put you in OR it takes place in your familiar home surroundings.

As far as abuse, there is no evidence of abuse of young children at YFZ.

How can you say that when you know they have already found at least 15 or 16 pregnant minors? Are you going to tell me that all of these girls willingly and knowingly without brainwashing had sex with guys in their 50's and older???

It sound like you are looking for the worst abuse in the CPS which hasn't been shown at all! I'd take my chances with CPS before leaving these children in homes where abuse is part of the culture. You can't have polygamy without the abuse and inbreeding. They are treating the females like breeding cattle with no rights. Why deny them education if they have a choice when and whom to sleep with???

 

[mollymalone]

We use the term pedophile here to signify any adult who is attracted to or who has targeted or attacked a child of any age. However, if you talk with a child molester they will proudly announce they are not "pedophiles". It is a favorite attempt to dodge and the child sexual abusers sort of have there own favorite terminologies which are based on the psychological descriptions of abberent sexual attractions. I was actually suprised to see Glow using it.

The age of the children they are primarily attracted to/attack can determine the correct term that is used.

Ephebophilia or Hebephilia= attracted to adolescents.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ephebophilia

Thanks for that info. In quoting Glow's and replying to her comment, I was referring to the flds members who were doing the molesting.

They can dress it up and call it anything they like, but as Nancy Grace says, you can put lipstick and perfume on a pig and its still a pig. Anyone who molests a child, whether that child is of age to menstruate or not, is a pedophile IMO.

 

[LinasK]

LOL, such a 'pious' community that they shun coming in contact with 'others' and d*mn them to h*ll, suddenly is courting the media and consorting on the evil internet? LOL, who among that 'pious' community has been in contact with the evil internet enough that they know programming language?

Did you see all the high-tech equipment that was seized from them? Including Dell LapTops, Flash Drives, and Canon Powershot Cameras???

 

[mollymalone]

I read an article in my local newspaper today that stated that the FLDS is now admitting they have an active PR campaign, that the attorney Rod Parker has defended them before, and that he told the mothers to keep their focus on the children! He felt that if the public put names with their faces, that that would humanize them and gain public sympathy.:loser::loser::loser:

I read an article a few minutes ago that stated Rod Parker had represented Warren Jeffs in the hearings about the property fund in Colorado City and he was either fired or withdrew from the case. He's represented FLDS for quite some time.

 

[mysteriew]

I agree. I just hope that everyone understands EXACTLY what we are turning these children over to. As per my previous link the state of Texas is not prepared to handle this. Abuse is simply abuse. If it takes place in a home the well meaning government put you in OR it takes place in your familiar home surroundings.

As far as abuse, there is no evidence of abuse of young children at YFZ.

LOL, you would probably be suprised at the number of posters on this board who were removed from their homes as children. And some have spent time in foster care.

Is there problems in CPS and the foster care system? Yes, we are all aware of that. But it is important to remember that not every department, not every caseworker is bad. Is there a better system in place to protect abused children? No. Is there a better system in place to provide ongoing care for abused children? No. And again, it is important to remember that there are many, I repeat many good to excellent foster care homes out there. Is it better to leave the children in the abusive environment they are in? No. If you leave a child in an abusive environment because they might run into a bad foster home, you are depriving that child of any chance to grow and heal from previous abuse.

 

[Leila]

I agree. I just hope that everyone understands EXACTLY what we are turning these children over to. As per my previous link the state of Texas is not prepared to handle this. Abuse is simply abuse. If it takes place in a home the well meaning government put you in OR it takes place in your familiar home surroundings.

As far as abuse, there is no evidence of abuse of young children at YFZ.

Did you forget about the CPS supervisor, Voss, who when asked if CPS found any evidence of children suffering serious injury or death, she replied "yes."

 

[Glow]

How can you say that when you know they have already found at least 15 or 16 pregnant minors?

Linask, Could you give me a link to what you are asserting as to 15 or 16 minors? I keep reading 3 to 5.

thanks!

 

[Ca-Sun]

Thanks Philamena. My molester is dead now, but I came upon his grave accidentally recently, which was traumatic for me. (It stated loving father and grandfather:sick::sick::sick. Had my father and daughter not been with me when I spotted it, I would have gladly tap danced on it seriously.

Tap dance, indeed! I know you have learned to get on with your life, but it is something one never gets over. I'm so sorry you were molested.

 

[mysteriew]

Thanks for that info. In quoting Glow's and replying to her comment, I was referring to the flds members who were doing the molesting.

They can dress it up and call it anything they like, but as Nancy Grace says, you can put lipstick and perfume on a pig and its still a pig. Anyone who molests a child, whether that child is of age to menstruate or not, is a pedophile IMO.

Oh, I agree and I use the term regularly. I am just saying what I have seen from child abusers.

 

[mollymalone]

I agree. I just hope that everyone understands EXACTLY what we are turning these children over to. As per my previous link the state of Texas is not prepared to handle this. Abuse is simply abuse. If it takes place in a home the well meaning government put you in OR it takes place in your familiar home surroundings.

As far as abuse, there is no evidence of abuse of young children at YFZ.

Just because we haven't yet seen the evidence regarding the abuse doesn't mean it doesn't exist. There's plenty of former members who grew up in this sect who WERE abused as children within this same sect at its various locations. The CPS worker on the stand testified to abuse.

If there was a video of abuse occurring there and you viewed it would you be the type to say the abuse didn't exist even if you saw it with your own eyes?

 

[mysteriew]

Did you see all the high-tech equipment that was seized from them? Including Dell LapTops, Flash Drives, and Canon Powershot Cameras???

Yeah, I saw it. And wondered how many of them they will find and child on.