Warren Jeffs FLDS compound in Texas surrounded by police #4

[Blue_Dolphin308]

What happened to the idea of having a whole separate from for all of these different threads on the FLDS topic? Has anyone approached a moderator about forming one???

They are working on it. Mods have already been approached on it.

 

[Blue_Dolphin308]

I was thinking of starting a Links Only thread so people don't need to search through all threads for links. what do people think?

i thought something like the following (with an example of some — in this case — photographic links). there are so many links i couldn't start to find after so many days:

Warren Jeffs FLDS compound in Texas — LINKS ONLY, no discussion.

Excellent photographs of the compound and the compound's people from Trent Nelson.

http://www.trenthead.com/?p=2258

http://www.trenthead.com/?p=2259

http://www.trenthead.com/?p=2262

http://www.trenthead.com/?p=2263

http://www.trenthead.com/?p=2266

http://www.trenthead.com/?p=2250

http://www.trenthead.com/?p=2251

http://www.trenthead.com/?p=2252

http://www.trenthead.com/?p=2254

http://www.trenthead.com/?p=2254

http://www.trenthead.com/?p=2274

Sounds good to me!

 

[Leila]

Oh definitely she was never part of FLDS. I don't think the authorities believe that either. There is enough info out there regarding the FLDS sect to be able to pull off a hoax. However, my feeling is Rozita inserted herself into the case after it broke in the news.

ETA: So is there a 16 year old pregnant girl with broken ribs that needs to be found? Probably. However, this shows that if she exists no one has heard from her since the last call to the DV hotline in TX. That's a long time. What's happened to her?

Suzy............I agree and it's sad to think that someone, Rozita, inserted themselves into the case and interfered with the police search for Sarah.

I have two trains of thought........one, that Sarah is among th 419 children removed from the YFZ ranch; or she was taken away from the YFZ ranch and hidden somewhere in another FLDS community.

I'm hoping Sarah is among the children removed from the YFZ and has been too frightened to come forward. Between her last call on March 30th and the sheriff going into the ranch on April 3rd, she could have been threatened with all sorts of things to insure her silence.

 

[Leila]

Why can the judge not order a search warrant for the girl they suspect is Sarah and have her hospital records searched?

Also, much has been made over the fact that the girl said she went to the hospital around Easter and that is terminology that the FLDS doesn't use and they don't celebrate holidays. I know that many ER's will decorate for holidays and I wonder if perhaps that is how Sarah knew it was near Easter?

Also, the call wasn't recorded, so it's not known for sure if Sarah used the term, Easter, or if the social worker taking the call used the word for a point of reference. I can see someone giving a date - March 22 or 23, and a social worker glancing at her desk calendar and writing down "Easter weekend" as their own reference point.

 

[Leila]

What happened to the idea of having a whole separate forum for all of these different threads on the FLDS topic? Has anyone approached a moderator about forming one???

I think we really need a forum for this case. It's not going to be resolved any time soon, and I believe Warren Jeffs trial in Arizona begins next week - on April 25th. That trial is another component of this whole issue.

 

[Floh]

Thread for links in this story. please add a link which you think would be useful. the idea is to keep all links together in one place:

Warren Jeffs FLDS compound in Texas — LINKS ONLY. No discussion.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2146620&posted=1#post2146620

 

[mollymalone]

I think we really need a forum for this case. It's not going to be resolved any time soon, and I believe Warren Jeffs trial in Arizona begins next week - on April 25th. That trial is another component of this whole issue.

That's right and regardless of any charges he's facing or that he'll be behind bars for a long time, the members of this group are visiting him and attending court sessions.

 

[philamena]

Response to Glowbug from the last page of part 3, of the previous thread.

The hard truth is 500 years ago people DID marry their daughters off, many times to men old enough to afford them. While that is regretable and goes against all that I wish for women, it is reality

Sorry hon but 500 years ago has nothing to do with the freakin present and what is happening in tat compound.

 

[LinasK]

Sorry hon but 500 years ago has nothing to do with the freakin present and what is happening in tat compound.

Exactly! And 500 years ago they didn't live very long.

 

[mollymalone]

Exactly! And 500 years ago they didn't live very long.

Yes and during that timeframe if a child was betrothed to a man, usually the child stayed with its family until they were of age to have the marriage occur and be consumated. Not in all cases, but the majority. What occurred in history past during those times certainly has no bearing on whether a child today is spanked, dunked in water to make it fears its father, or an underage girl being told she's going to have no choice in who she marries or when she's going to be sexually violated, whether that's by her own kin or someone else.

 

[biggirl]

Hi all, I have a question. Did I imagine it or did I hear that Jeffs had what is basically a crematorium installed on the compound for use when they do that ""blood" thing punishment (basically murder) and then DNA cannot be detected. If so, and worse case scenario, who is to say that they may have done away with someone that they perceived was talking to authorities?? I tell you. after reading the testimony of the CPS worker that was one of the first at the compound, and how threatened she felt with the "male" presence. I can just imagine how threatened these guys must have felt.

JMHO but I feel they would go to any lengths to keep their sicko world intact.:waitasec:

 

[Linda7NJ]

Hi all, I have a question. Did I imagine it or did I hear that Jeffs had what is basically a crematorium installed on the compound for use when they do that ""blood" thing punishment (basically murder) and then DNA cannot be detected. If so, and worse case scenario, who is to say that they may have done away with someone that they perceived was talking to authorities?? I tell you. after reading the testimony of the CPS worker that was one of the first at the compound, and how threatened she felt with the "male" presence. I can just imagine how threatened these guys must have felt.

JMHO but I feel they would go to any lengths to keep their sicko world intact.:waitasec:

I read that...it's a very scary thing to ponder...my head is swimming with the sexual abuse...can't even go there:chicken:

 

[mollymalone]

Hi all, I have a question. Did I imagine it or did I hear that Jeffs had what is basically a crematorium installed on the compound for use when they do that ""blood" thing punishment (basically murder) and then DNA cannot be detected. If so, and worse case scenario, who is to say that they may have done away with someone that they perceived was talking to authorities?? I tell you. after reading the testimony of the CPS worker that was one of the first at the compound, and how threatened she felt with the "male" presence. I can just imagine how threatened these guys must have felt.

JMHO but I feel they would go to any lengths to keep their sicko world intact.:waitasec:

It was a high heat furnace for an industry on the compound, but according to the former member who said this, there was no need for that high a heat to process whatever it was, and Jeffs had been preaching blood atonement.

 

[mollymalone]

http://www.gosanangelo.com/news/2008/apr/18/courthouse-site-of-much-drama-in-flds-case/

Drama at the courthouse - and not in the courtroom.

"It's all a coverup," a woman shouted Thursday while walking by the Tom Green County jail."

 

[BarnGoddess]

Hi all, I have a question. Did I imagine it or did I hear that Jeffs had what is basically a crematorium installed on the compound for use when they do that ""blood" thing punishment (basically murder) and then DNA cannot be detected. If so, and worse case scenario, who is to say that they may have done away with someone that they perceived was talking to authorities?? I tell you. after reading the testimony of the CPS worker that was one of the first at the compound, and how threatened she felt with the "male" presence. I can just imagine how threatened these guys must have felt.

JMHO but I feel they would go to any lengths to keep their sicko world intact.:waitasec:

Amazing how different this cult is from the formal LDS church. They pride themselves in genealogical research and are meticulous. An excellent source for anyone searching their family history. Not just Mormons. Can't imagine it. Destroying DNA, not knowing who's who. Mind boggling.

 

[SuziQ]

On the front page of CNN.com

http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/04/17/polygamy.pentagon/index.html

Pentagon paid $1.7 million to firms of polygamy bosses

 

[golfmom]

Amazing how different this cult is from the formal LDS church. They pride themselves in genealogical research and are meticulous. An excellent source for anyone searching their family history. Not just Mormons. Can't imagine it. Destroying DNA, not knowing who's who. Mind boggling.

I have a hard time understanding it too. But, I suspect they keep just as careful records but keep it hidden as private church documents. It almost looks like this current generation of children are being denied even knowing the truth about their personal genealogy.

 

[mollymalone]

Regarding Rozita Swinton

http://www.myeldorado.net/Pages/RANGERS.html

Texas Rangers accompanied the Colorado Springs officers while they executed an evidentiary search warrant at Swinton's residence for items related to previous false reports to authorities in Colorado. During the search, officers found several items that indicated a possible connection between Swinton and calls regarding the FLDS compounds in Colorado City, Arizona, and Eldorado, Texas. These items of interest to Texas authorities were seized by the Colorado Springs Police Department and released to the Texas Rangers. These items will be evaluated and forwarded to various crime laboratories in Texas for analysis. The Texas Rangers, with the approval of local officials in Colorado, requested that the affidavit for the search warrant for Swinton's residence be sealed by an El Paso County, Colorado judge. A judge granted that motion, and the Texas Rangers will not comment further on these items.

 

[mollymalone]

On the front page of CNN.com

http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/04/17/polygamy.pentagon/index.html

Pentagon paid $1.7 million to firms of polygamy bosses

That's only part of it, Nevada has paid some of the firms from the FLDS connected to this group quite a large amount of money for various projects. Some of which will have to be redone because of shoddy work. Other projects were done in a timely manner and were well done.

 

[biggirl]

I have another question, sorry, that is all I do is question.

How are children without birth certificates eligible for any type of welfare money?? It really really infuriates me that they have the saying "bleed the beast", basically meaning you and me and all the other tax paying citizens.

So as this draws on why isn't the government allowed to dip into their "trust" that apparently is worth millions to pay for this mess that they have created?

Oh that is 2 questions. And another thing, if welfare fraud is found, won't they have to pay restitution?

Okay that was 3 and I will stop now.