Warren Jeffs FLDS compound in Texas surrounded by police #4

[Pepper]

65 MEN
264 WOMEN
416 CHILDREN

What's wrong with this picture?

Even if there is no 16 yr. od Sarah, I'm beginning to think Rozita Swinton is a heroine.

 

[Love_Mama]

I just want to add that I have lived in Texas all of my 40 something years, and the biggest problem I have seen with CPS and the courts is that they return children to abusive and terrifying situations far, far more often than they step on parent's rights.

In my opinion, CPS needs many more better qualified workers and spit-fire lawyers, and get rid of all those judges who are more concerned with appeasing the ACLU than they are with protecting the children and convicting their abusers.

Susan

I agree TGIRecovered. Same thing here in California. It's sickening!
Just talked to an old neighbor who has raised her 'alchohol' syndrome grandaugther to age 16 and that wasn't easy!
Now the courts have taken her back to her still .drug using mother. There is not a damn thing my friend can do.

xxxooooo
mama
:blowkiss: :blowkiss:

 

[Love_Mama]

Flowerchild, EXCELLENT POST. I couldn't have said it better!
xxxxxxxxooooooooo
mama
:blowkiss: :blowkiss:

 

[SweetPea2]

Lori Jessop is 25. Her oldest child is supposed to be 11. That means that at the time of conception, Lori Jessop would have been what, 13? and 14 at the time of birth? Now, is she one of the mothers who is changing the names and ages of her children, her husband and herself in order to protect someone?

You can't have it two ways. "Poor, poor Mother" trying to protect her child and giving as much info as possible in order to clear this all up and prove that her children are not being abused or in danger of being abused?

Or FLDS member, who believes that lying to protect the Church goes before her children, who believes that a child should be married and bred at an early age? Abuser or conspirator?

Yes, for everyone being brought to justice is a shock. Being made to follow the law or face the consequences is a shock. I have seen accused murderers face their guilty verdict with the same shock.

That's 11 MONTHS old, not 11 years. Her oldest child is 4. So she was 21 when she gave birth.

 

[Blue_Dolphin308]

As far as the reports of waterboarding and other forms of torture, it is important to remember that none of those claims have been made on behalf of the children of YFZ itself. Former members of the Arizona and Colorado compounds have raised those issues. And the temptation seems to be to weave it all in together. As a matter of fact I first heard the term "waterboarding" here on WS. another titillating and inflammatory term that flies in the face of the statements by experts.

The parents who saw this happen to there children were the ones that told the media that waterboarding does occur! They saw it with there own eyes!

 

[mysteriew]

I dont have any impression of CPS other than what anyone would have if they took the time to check out their performance level.

quote:
"...the state of Texas has been criticized for not putting enough resources into child protective services. In 2006, following several headline-grabbing stories of deaths of children in abusive environments, the legislature approved additional funds for investigative caseworkers, but critics say it has not been enough. Additional conservatorship caseworkers are needed, according to Rebecca Lightsey, director of Texas Appleseed, a nonprofit social justice organization. The nationwide average is 25 children per caseworker, the Texas ratio is 43 to every one caseworker"
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1730471,00.html

The state of Texas creates it's own lost boys:
Foster children who “age out” of the system often lack a formal support system.
Statistically, they are at extreme risk of poverty and homelessness, victimization and criminal
involvement, illness, early childbearing, and low educational attainment. In addition, many have
emotional problems, fractured emotional and social attachments, and dysfunctional relationships
as a result of past experiences

http://www.texasappleseed.net/1HZ601!.pdf

"Although many of the problems with the Texas foster care system in 2004 have been improved, serious problems remain. In particular, the problem of increasing conservatorship caseloads and inadequate conservator caseworker staffing, which are closely related to the problem of inadequate funding, are simply getting worse, and the 80th Legislature’s efforts to address the caseworker and caseload issues were inadequate. Without a continued and much more significant effort by the state to address these problems, the children in Texas’ foster care system will suffer."

from the above link.

Before anyone from Texas gets angry/hurt or thinks that I am attacking Texas, please be assured that I am not. I live in Florida and our over burdened system is struggling also. My concerns and sympathies lay with the children. I am not going to defend a system that isnt working well. I am going to speak out accurately about what is really happening. If that makes me appear biased against CPS then what does that make most of the posters here appear as far as what has been posted about the FLDS's? Is there any bias there too perhaps?

Ok, let's look at the statistics. This is what, Tom Green County? How many children has Tom Green county lost? How many have been harmed through the care of CPS in Tom Green County? What is the caseworker ratio in Tom Green county? What are the statistics for Tom Green county?

 

[mysteriew]

That's 11 MONTHS old, not 11 years. Her oldest child is 4. So she was 21 when she gave birth.

LOL, my error and I will withdraw my post.

 

[Blue_Dolphin308]

I have a question cheko~ If two gay men want to have a spiritual marriage and adopt a child is that wrong?

Whats that have to do with ANYTHING?!?!? Being gay is not against the law. Sex with anyone under the age of 16 is rape! Therefore it is WRONG!

Glow, it seems to me that you are anti-government. I just wish I knew why! This is nothing like Waco! The government has its i's dotted and t's crossed.

 

[Blue_Dolphin308]

ok!:crazy: I'll do it! Only we need to go ahead and call it rape when any 18 year old teenaged boy has sex with his 15 year old girlfriend too. AND we need to go to BOTH their parents homes and take away any other children that might be living there too while we're at it!

All the kids were taken away because the resided in the same home where 18 plus were pregnant. It is standard procedure to remove ALL children within an ABUSIVE home. Hence the reason why all the children were removed!

Now it seems like you are being really ridiculous here.

 

[SweetPea2]

LOL, my error and I will withdraw my post.

hehe it's ok, I know how passionate we are about this case! I'm all for keeping these children safe at all costs!

 

[mysteriew]

All the kids were taken away because the resided in the same home where 18 plus were pregnant. It is standard procedure to remove ALL children within an ABUSIVE home. Hence the reason why all the children were removed!

Now it seems like you are being really ridiculous here.

LOL, she isn't actually being ridiculous. If an 18 year old boy has sex with his 15 year old girlfriend, and the age of consent is 16- if it comes to the attention of authorities he is arrested. And it is called rape. The law is the law for everyone. Including 18 year olds. And the kids know it, and if their parents care for them they will make sure the kids know it and they will try to enforce it. Or they risk seeing them go to jail. And if the parent permitts the sex to occur in their home, with their knowlege they risk being charged and having their kids taken away.

 

[Blue_Dolphin308]

Yes they can survive. But their are reams and reams of information on the tremendous psychological impact that separation of the breastfeeding infant from its mother has on the infant. Not to mention breastfeeding is nutrionally superior. That's why it comes spouting out right after the baby does. This isn't some random unconnected phenomenon.

So that baby's right to drink its mothers milk just goes poof. And that is fine. Because we couldn't slow down here and spend $85,000 a DAY carefully sorting out who is actually in danger and who isn't and handling them like individual precious little lives, which they are. No, they had to be herded up in a mass raid and once enough OMG details were fed to the media about these raping water boarding perverted sex monsters well what's a little breastmilk or the right to sleep in something besides a cot in a coliseum compared to that? Obviously nothing!

YOU AMAZE ME!

 

[Blue_Dolphin308]

A claim is not proof. CPS has an enormous amount of pressure to produce something the state can work with. I want to see what that is.

Glow?


What do you NEED?!?!?!? You ask for proof, and we provide proof for you, and you say "thats not acciurate....." So what do you NEED?!??!?! Before you will understand that this was a CULT?!?!??!


Seems like you are arguing just for the sake of arguing!

 

[Truly]

Hi ladybass, just a quick note. Those words were originally posted by Glow, not Truly! All I did was highlight the inflammatory bits. :blowkiss:

The first ones we try to rescue off a sinking ship would be children correct? I think that is a universal viewpoint. What I was referring to is when it is determined or decided by the state. That concept is called Fascism. Very scary.

As far as the reports of waterboarding and other forms of torture, it is important to remember that none of those claims have been made on behalf of the children of YFZ itself. Former members of the Arizona and Colorado compounds have raised those issues. And the temptation seems to be to weave it all in together. As a matter of fact I first heard the term "waterboarding" here on WS. another titillating and inflammatory term that flies in the face of the statements by experts.

 

[Blue_Dolphin308]

They're rerunning Nancy Grace's show from the other day and one of the guests said this:

"They keep crying about "our children, our children" when in fact many of those children were kidnapped. They took those children from another state, across state lines and some of them their parents were kicked out.
They're guilty of kidnapping."

They took these kids from another COUNTRY! Canada! It has now gone international!

 

[Blue_Dolphin308]

Hi ladybass, just a quick note. Those words were originally posted by Glow, not Truly! All I did was highlight the inflammatory bits. :blowkiss:

Thanks Truly! I am trying to get caught up, sorry if I misquoted you, was trying to quote Glow.

 

[Truly]

Thanks Truly! I am trying to get caught up, sorry if I misquoted you, was trying to quote Glow.

Whew! lol, I was reading another thread where folks were discussing quoting issues. Thanks! :blowkiss:

 

[philamena]

Glow?


What do you NEED?!?!?!? You ask for proof, and we provide proof for you, and you say "thats not acciurate....." So what do you NEED?!??!?! Before you will understand that this was a CULT?!?!??!


Seems like you are arguing just for the sake of arguing!

:clap: :clap: anyone remember IMON?

 

[Ca-Sun]

*snipped for space*
Leaving even a single infant in the hands of a mother who is unable to defend or protect that child against abuse of ANY KIND is WRONG!

Excellent post, FlowerChild! You are spot on with your entire post! :clap: :clap: :clap:

 

[Blue_Dolphin308]

For those of you that watch DR Phil he will be covering this story for Tuesday and Wednesday shows.

http://drphil.com/shows/

For Tuesdays show

Secrets inside the Compound

"Days ago police conducted a stunning raid which resulted in hundreds of women and children being removed from a polygamist compound in Eldorado, Texas. On this 1,700-acre ranch, formerly led by Warren Jeffs of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, children were allegedly sexually abused by older men, and girls as young as 14 allegedly had babies. Dr. Phil goes on location in Colorado City, where he first covered this sect three years ago and where some members of the religious group still live. For the next two days, he explores the psychological ramifications of children being taken from the only lifestyle they knew. Then, Eldorado townspeople weigh in on this unfolding drama."

For Wednesdays Show

The Lost Boys and the Children of the Compound

"Dr. Phil continues to examine the controversial Eldorado, Texas raid where 416 children were removed from an extreme religious sect known as the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. Hear from Eldorado Mayor John Nikolauk, who has presided over the town for 20 years. What are his greatest fears now? Then, Dr. Phil sits down with Franklin and Deloy, two members of the Lost Boys -- young men who leave the polygamous community when they reach the age of puberty."