Warren Jeffs FLDS compound in Texas surrounded by police #5

[mysteriew]

You do understand that "sealing" in a Plural Celestial Marriage" isn't "legal" outside the FLDS. They don't really "marry" these girls legally, (That would be illegal BIGAMY) just in a "spiritual way". They marry only ONE wife legally - the rest are just wives in THEIR RELIGION. And yes, they do it at YFZ in that "temple" they built and ANY of the Apostles or Bishops in their religion can perform the ceremony - which, if it's like the LDS temple marriage, is HOURS long and rather complicated. They don't HAVE to do it in the temple tho - they can do this "sealing" anywhere - in a hotel room (like Warren Jeffs did and got put in prison for). It's a marriage in name only - not legal in ANY WAY and isn't recognized outside the church - which is why all the mothers are getting WIC and food stamps - out here in the infidel world - these are single mothers with no job, husband or support...

My Opinion

LOL, that is part of the problem. Those marriages are recognized in the State of Texas. Texas recognizes common law marriages. So if a man is married legally to the first wife and spiritually to wives 2 through whatever- he could be considered to have committed bigamy with all wives over first wife. The Texas laws regarding common law marriage have been posted several times in these threads.

I have a friend who lives in Texas. He lived with a girlfriend for several years, then they split. They never married. She filed for divorce so that she could lay claim to some property he owned (he said he didn't recognize them as married, but she did). The court did uphold the marriage and issue a divorce and a property settlement, under the common law marriage statutes.

 

[mollymalone]

Oops-

The comment by Joseph was in Molly's next to last post- It took me too long to type with my broken wrist and she was too fast for me!

Broken wrist and you're typing?? :chicken: (LOL I would be too, one finger at a time if I had to!) I read the article I don't always read the comments below them.

 

[mollymalone]

As FLDS members, the children are taught that since the outsiders are evil, it's OK to lie to them to protect the Lord, their prophet and their fathers.

This is why the children and young women have been changing their names etc.. they're following the edict to protect by lying those who abuse them.

 

[Ca-Sun]

Despite the fact that criminal charges haven't been filed against him. He's hired a "criminal defense attorney."

Don't you find it very telling that the attorney Jessop hired is a criminal attorney, and has been spending 2 - 3 days a week with him? Makes ya go, "Hmmmmmm....."

 

[galvino]

Yeah Moll- I can't stop! Thank God the cast is off and my physical torture therapist told me typing will help! Just in time for this case to break wide open- Yipee!

The comment was from a man (maybe Lost Boy) who left the sect and is about Warren's hold over his family and others.

 

[Blue_Dolphin308]

Last of the FLDS kids removed from the coliseum, FLDS spokesman lashes out



At a news conference Friday afternoon, a spokesman for the FLDS Church attacked the state's CPS over claims of how many pregnant minors were in custody and the conditions in which all the children were housed.

The spokesman said he knew of only two pregnant teenagers who were in state protective custody.
Rod Parker said they would be sending letters to all of the government agencies involved, demanding that all evidence be preserved for future use in lawsuits. Asked what type of lawsuit was being planned, Parker would only say, "civil rights litigation."

http://deseretnews.com/article/1,5143,695273793,00.html

 

[galvino]

Dateline NBC is doing a show about this on Sunday

 

[mysteriew]

I have found some support of the FLDS rights, but no one saying we should allow children to be abused in the name of those rights!

I am glad for it honestly (people speaking up for the FLDS). It helps keep the scales balanced and gives people in a position of great authority over the personal lives of others added incentive to "do right." The FLDS may not be enjoying much freedom right now, but thank goodness some of us still are.

SCM, I can't link it it, but I have also seen posters leaving comments about it being religous persecution. There does seem to be a pattern in the comments.

Give our children back- (the way I read it, they are saying 'all', not 'my' and using it in a way of stating ownership.

We are being persecuted for our religion

Our children will be abused in foster care.

While I can't link to any particular comments, you might try looking at the comments associated with the Salt Lake Trib articles as that is where I have seen the most of them.

Some of the earlier articles comments did deny their children were being abused, but that doesn't seem to be as common in the last day or two.

 

[Fairy1]

I have found some support of the FLDS rights, but no one saying we should allow children to be abused in the name of those rights!

I am glad for it honestly (people speaking up for the FLDS). It helps keep the scales balanced and gives people in a position of great authority over the personal lives of others added incentive to "do right." The FLDS may not be enjoying much freedom right now, but thank goodness some of us still are.

In theory I agree with you on the issue of "balance." However, the majority of the pro-FLDS folks are basing their opinions on the FLDS women they've seen on TV. I can tell you that, without question, those women have been trained to present the image they are presenting. WHERE ARE THE MEN - who we know without a doubt - are in control? Right, they are running and hiding. Why? Because many of them are criminals - and they know it. I do believe some of the men in the sect are hapless victims themselves. But I'm guessing that, for the most part, they knowingly enjoy a lifestyle they know is both illegal and morally corrupt.

 

[galvino]

And Rod Parker is a.... &%&^$&!

Although, as SouthCityMom said, I guess we always need an opposing voice/viewpoint for checks & balances, but still...

^%^& * *&^&$ chit!

JMO

 

[Fairy1]

Don't you find it very telling that the attorney Jessop hired is a criminal attorney, and has been spending 2 - 3 days a week with him? Makes ya go, "Hmmmmmm....."

Very telling indeed!

 

[mollymalone]

Don't you find it very telling that the attorney Jessop hired is a criminal attorney, and has been spending 2 - 3 days a week with him? Makes ya go, "Hmmmmmm....."

Yeah. Do you hear the violin playing? :boohoo: Maybe he can do like Jeffs and have a "penny for the prophet" donation jar.

http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/news/articles/1107jeffs07.html
And Seth was carrying a cash-filled donation jar bearing his brother's picture and a label that read, "Pennies for the Prophet." It was the same photo used on wanted posters circulated by the FBI.

 

[mollymalone]

http://insidecable.blogsome.com/2006/08/31/elaine-jeffs-on-360/

Elaine Jeffs, the oldest of 65 children, and sister to Warren Jeffs.
She also left the Flds. Gee, if your own sibling doesn't want to be a part of your scuzzy plans...

 

[Truly]

LOL, that is part of the problem. Those marriages are recognized in the State of Texas. Texas recognizes common law marriages. So if a man is married legally to the first wife and spiritually to wives 2 through whatever- he could be considered to have committed bigamy with all wives over first wife. The Texas laws regarding common law marriage have been posted several times in these threads.

I have a friend who lives in Texas. He lived with a girlfriend for several years, then they split. They never married. She filed for divorce so that she could lay claim to some property he owned (he said he didn't recognize them as married, but she did). The court did uphold the marriage and issue a divorce and a property settlement, under the common law marriage statutes.

Interesting. So I wonder if one of the women ultimately decides to leave the FLDS, will the first wife only receive a divorce and property settlement? If the Stepford Sisters continue to refuse to identify their husbands and kids, I suppose the first one to claim the loser as her husband would get the legal divorce? Is property in Texas automatically owned jointly by spouses?

 

[mysteriew]

Merrill Jessop has hired an attorny

http://myeldorado.net/

Per the FLDS, they have broken no laws.... So why is he hiring a criminal defense attorney???:waitasec:

Is the church also hiring criminal defense attorneys for every other male in the compound?

 

[mysteriew]

Interesting. So I wonder if one of the women ultimately decides to leave the FLDS, will the first wife only receive a divorce and property settlement? If the Stepford Sisters continue to refuse to identify their husbands and kids, I suppose the first one to claim the loser as her husband would get the legal divorce? Is property in Texas automatically owned jointly by spouses?

The way I understand it, the church owns it all. Including the women and children. But that is an interesting question. If wife 2 leaves the sect, would she need to get a divorce- even though the marriage was illegal?

 

[galvino]

Yeah. Do you hear the violin playing? :boohoo: Maybe he can do like Jeffs and have a "penny for the prophet" donation jar.

http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/news/articles/1107jeffs07.html
And Seth was carrying a cash-filled donation jar bearing his brother's picture and a label that read, "Pennies for the Prophet." It was the same photo used on wanted posters circulated by the FBI.

You know, there is an ongoing debate about getting rid of the penny altogether because they are not worth the copper they are printed on SOOOO, Seth, Warren, Rod, etc... I got yer pennies right heah (grabbing crotch and speaking in my best NJ Italian....!

 

[mollymalone]

The way I understand it, the church owns it all. Including the women and children. But that is an interesting question. If wife 2 leaves the sect, would she need to get a divorce- even though the marriage was illegal?

There have been women who have left who did get divorces. Winston Blackmore's former wife Jane was one of them. Edited to add: I don't recall whether they were able to get support etc..

 

[galvino]

I am a newbie here and hope i don't get in trouble for saying this, but I must quote Christopher Guest from my fave movie of all time "Waiting for Guffman"-

To all of these perverts and the folks that defend them...

"I hate you and your Azz Face!"

 

[Fairy1]

The way I understand it, the church owns it all. Including the women and children. But that is an interesting question. If wife 2 leaves the sect, would she need to get a divorce- even though the marriage was illegal?

I would say in TX (not sure about AZ & UT), if a common law marriage is legally recognized - the women who leave do not know enough to go after what they're legally entitled to. Isn't that the way the FLDS men want it?