Warren Jeffs FLDS compound in Texas surrounded by police

[Linda7NJ]

Thanks for posting the links...I must admit...I am shocked. And that's something I am not usually!

 

[philamena]

Philamena has a point. Glow has chosen to respond to specific individuals by dissecting their posts instead of responding in general to everyone. Glow has defended the idea that it is perfectly fine for old men to impregnate 13-14 year olds, stressing that it is a thousands-year-old tradition which ought to give us all that fuzzy chrismas feeling. SNIP..........

Truly,
Thanks for explaining perhaps better than I did.

 

[Vegas Bride]

On Nancy Grace tonight it was heartbreaking to hear about how the babies are basicly waterboarded to teach them not to cry! And how they are taken away from the mother and given to other females of the sect to raise so the mother can not have access to gather her children together to even try to escape. It is unbelievable that here in America in this day and age so many are living in pure hell and what is being done about it? Has there been anything at all in the news where the Mormon Church is speaking out about this or is it simply being ignored?

VB

 

[Blue_Dolphin308]

On Nancy Grace tonight it was heartbreaking to hear about how the babies are basicly waterboarded to teach them not to cry! And how they are taken away from the mother and given to other females of the sect to raise so the mother can not have access to gather her children together to even try to escape. It is unbelievable that here in America in this day and age so many are living in pure hell and what is being done about it? Has there been anything at all in the news where the Mormon Church is speaking out about this or is it simply being ignored?

VB

Thank you! Basically confirms stuff i had been saying all along, cause it has happened to me!

 

[BarnGoddess]

To the posters who have trouble with the thought we shouldn't be meddling in a "religion", I have a thought. Comment if you want.

It seems to be a "religious practice" of the FLDS to send these women out to apply for public aid. Now you have involved the taxpayers who are supporting a private religion, yet they as a "religion" may declare themselves tax exempt. Wouldn't that disqualify them from their tax status? I suppose they could claim they get it on their own, but when 95% of the women and children in a community considered to be a religious compound are receiving public assistance, I think it would void any status they have.

 

[galvino]

Hi- I am a rare poster, but I am absolutely fascinated by what has been/is still happening in this sect. I was aware of most of it for years (thru reading, research, etc), but as appalled as I was, it would fall off my radar screen because the media would drop it after the initial "appalling" allegations were not discussed any longer- it was on to the next case 'de jour'!

I wish that the media would spend more time on this-even now that it is 'front page' every hour on the hour, it just seems to be reporting salatious details for no other reason than that. I believe that if the spotlight is kept on this, and more in depth reporting is done, more people would pay attn ,and Utah & AZ might grow some cajones and do something in Hilldale & Co. City.

If Authorities went into any other 'home' and removed even 1/32 of the # of victims they did in TX, this would be blasted accross the Universe! My hope is that the media doesn't drop this (but I think they will after a short time) because if a spotlight is kept on this, it will be harder for the FDLS to perpetuate these horrors. Evil/disease, Bacteria flourish in dark places and a quick 'flick' of a light does nothing to stop the insidious growth of a cancer like this! JMOO

 

[Fairy1]

I have never felt that the Church of the LDS has done more than simply stop practicing polygamy (because it's illegal) and publicly shun those who continue to practice it. The fact that the Mormons originally did practice polygamy should not be overlooked as it was a basic tenet of their religion in the beginning. In theory, any Mormon living by the Book of Mormon would still (at least privately) believe in the philosophy on which polygamy is based. You would think that for Mormons outside of the FLDS, it must be a struggle to omit this one tenet when it goes against their teachings (for the men anyway). Hipocracy at its finest, IMO. The bottom line is, if the members of the FLDS are American enough to take advantage of the welfare system, they can obey the rules of the USA as well. They've been getting away with unspeakable behavior in the name of religious freedom for decades and it's time for LE to put an end to it. It will not be easy and I hope that the state of Texas has their ducks in a row with this investigation.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Hi- I am a rare poster, but I am absolutely fascinated by what has been/is still happening in this sect. I was aware of most of it for years (thru reading, research, etc), but as appalled as I was, it would fall off my radar screen because the media would drop it after the initial "appalling" allegations were not discussed any longer- it was on to the next case 'de jour'!

I wish that the media would spend more time on this-even now that it is 'front page' every hour on the hour, it just seems to be reporting salacious details for no other reason than that. I believe that if the spotlight is kept on this, and more in depth reporting is done, more people would pay attn ,and Utah & AZ might grow some cajones and do something in Hillsdale & Co. City.

If Authorities went into any other 'home' and removed even 1/32 of the # of victims they did in TX, this would be blasted across the Universe! My hope is that the media doesn't drop this (but I think they will after a short time) because if a spotlight is kept on this, it will be harder for the FDLS to perpetuate these horrors. Evil/disease, Bacteria flourish in dark places and a quick 'flick' of a light does nothing to stop the insidious growth of a cancer like this! JMOO

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I can't believe how little coverage there has been. While part of me hopes it's for the children's sake...I know it really isn't. The heat needs to be cranked way up and stay up! This should not be allowed to continue raping children one more day anywhere in this country!

 

[txsvicki]

and another article: http://www.star-telegram.com/news/story/572931.html

ELDORADO — The temple inside a polygamous sect's outpost was used by husbands when they had sex for the first time with their new underage wives, according to an affidavit released Wednesday by Texas officials.

The search and arrest warrant affidavit said the temple at the YFZ Ranch “contains an area where there is a bed where males over the age of seventeen engage in sexual activity with female children under the age of seventeen.”

I don't understand. Are these 17 year old and over males being taught to be pedophiles or are they to marry the female that they are raping? I guess age 17 and over could even mean an old geezer. I hope they find evidence of their murders and they all get the death penalty. Age 21 and over that is.

 

[Fairy1]

They should have said men "WAAAAAAAAAAAAY" over the age of 17 as that is generally the case. Many of the young males have been banished from the sect based on trumped up infractions. When a man can take 5, 8, 10 wives, they really don't need too many men around.

 

[Trino]

I can't believe how little coverage there has been. While part of me hopes it's for the children's sake...I know it really isn't. The heat needs to be cranked way up and stay up! This should not be allowed to continue raping children one more day anywhere in this country!

This news interests most people, which makes you wonder why there isn't more coverage. Why the media "cover up?"

 

[Blue_Dolphin308]

This news interests most people, which makes you wonder why there isn't more coverage. Why the media "cover up?"

Gag order has been issued

 

[Fairy1]

This news interests most people, which makes you wonder why there isn't more coverage. Why the media "cover up?"

We have had a good deal of coverage on the west coast. But it's possible the authorities want to keep it under the radar - for now anyway. It's such a complicated situation and they must be meticulous in their investigation.

 

[galvino]

Linda- I agree wholeheartedly- the media is on this as 'the story of the day' and it will fade VERY quickly as another woman goes missing...

I don't mean to minimize that,those cases r what brought me here in the 1st place, but this ordeal is as impt as 400 women going missing in 1 day!

I just wish that this 'story' was reported not because of headlines, but because of the sheer #s and social/religeous/criminal/emotional connotations- This is a group (regardless of religion) of people that really have no coping skills, and the girls/kids taken from TX are only the tip of the iceburg. Would we allow Guyana to occur if we knew about it (regardless of constitutional rights) today? I hope not! If the "Media" drops this soon, they will become complicit and responsible for perpetuating this Cancer!

 

[Linda7NJ]

Linda- I agree wholeheartedly- the media is on this as 'the story of the day' and it will fade VERY quickly as another woman goes missing...

I don't mean to minimize that,those cases r what brought me here in the 1st place, but this ordeal is as input as 400 women going missing in 1 day!

I just wish that this 'story' was reported not because of headlines, but because of the sheer #s and social/religious/criminal/emotional connotations- This is a group (regardless of religion) of people that really have no coping skills, and the girls/kids taken from TX are only the tip of the iceberg. Would we allow Guyana to occur if we knew about it (regardless of constitutional rights) today? I hope not! If the "Media" drops this soon, they will become complicit and responsible for perpetuating this Cancer!

IMO Law enforcement already is

 

[Fairy1]

IMO Law enforcement already is

I so hope this is not true. I do think LE needs to be very, very careful with this situation. The last time something like this happened on such a large scale, it was tragically mishandled and it faded into to blackness, allowing the FLDS to continue their disgusting acts and add greatly to their numbers.

 

[Leila]

I don't understand. Are these 17 year old and over males being taught to be pedophiles or are they to marry the female that they are raping? I guess age 17 and over could even mean an old geezer. I hope they find evidence of their murders and they all get the death penalty. Age 21 and over that is.

Flora Jessop was on CNN tonight and discussed the bed in the temple. She said that the marriage ceremony would take place and after the ceremony was concluded, the husband (over 17-years of age) would take his new wife (under 17-years of age) and consummate the marriage right there on the bed in the temple. The commentator asked if there was an audience to this. Flora said that sometimes there was an audience. :furious:

 

[galvino]

Fairy-

I ain't 'holy', but I am ferverently praying for a good result in this horrid situation. I agree that LE needs to be VERY careful

 

[Fairy1]

Fairy-

I ain't 'holy', but I am ferverently praying for a good result in this horrid situation. I agree that LE needs to be VERY careful

Me neither - and me too!

 

[mostlylurking]

We're going to stop the personal attacks right now. If you've got an issue with someone's post direct your comments to the issues, not your opinion of the poster.

I've deleted the offending posts I found in a quick review that did not belong at all. Now everyone gets a chance to go back and self-edit their posts to remove any and all personal attacks. As always, we don't care who started it. Just fix it.

From the perspective of someone who reads more than posts,,,,,, but reads A LOT usually in one long sitting in the evening waaaayyyy to late to actually be part of converstation......

Thank You!!!!