Was Burke involved?

[Tawny]

Funny, there are thousands of cases gone to trial and won over pieces of a total puzzle. Plenty of cases are solved lacking a murder weapon or confession. That's called totality of evidence.

 

[MyBelle]

If all a person is doing is looking at fingerprint position and amount on the bowl in a vacuum I would agree.

It's all the lies and other evidence related to the bowl of pineapple, statements made about it not being on the table earlier, the Burke & his dad worked on a toy after he carried her up to bed, or the version that John read to JonBenet before bed and Patsy & Burke went straight to bed, and the version that had her awake and walking in on her own. Patsy not recognizing the bowl denying she even had fresh pineapple her lawyer theorizing the killer brought it in a Tupperware container.

It's a fact JonBenet ate fresh, not canned, pineapple relatively shortly before she died.

See to me, all of those versions point to one thing and one thing only. The Ramsey's lied. Repeatedly, and they didn't get together to all get on the same page about the minute details they never considered they might be asked.

So yes, each piece can be excused or argued away if looked at as separate. But it's not really separate is it? No. It's part of a whole mountain of contradictory statements and bold faced lies. IMO



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ITA. It's separate only in the sense that a cover-up of a crime is a crime itself. I think there is overwhelming evidence the Ramseys lied, contaminated evidence and engaged in a cover-up.

 

[Linda7NJ]

You can't look at one piece of evidence and accept or dismiss JUST that piece. It's the TOTALITY of the puzzle.

Thank you Tawny for saying it so perfectly.

The devil is in the details.

The absurdity of the Ramsey's and the unmitigated gall they have can be found in the answers the Ramsey's gave in response to questions they never anticipated they would be asked.
Each one gave their own version. And each one often could not keep their version straight.

They deliberately threw up road blocks every step of the way.

All IMO




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[MyBelle]

Funny, there are thousands of cases gone to trial and won over pieces of a total puzzle. Plenty of cases are solved lacking a murder weapon or confession. That's called totality of evidence.

Yes but for a case to go to trial there have to be charges filed by the DA or a signed indictment.

 

[Chewy]

Exactly, so evidence can be used to solve the puzzle or to prove it wrong. If Burke awoke and shared a bowl of pineapple with JonBenet fingerprints on the bowl could clarify this theory. [modsnip]

 

[Tawny]

Yes but for a case to go to trial there have to be charges filed by the DA or a signed indictment.

I definitely agree with you there. This case should have gone to trial.

Exactly, so evidence can be used to solve the puzzle or to prove it wrong. If Burke awoke and shared a bowl of pineapple with JonBenet fingerprints on the bowl could clarify this theory. So why in the world are people so angry when I ask for the objective facts about the fingerprints???

I can't speak for others, but I am not angry. That said, you're absolutely freakin' right the pineapple situation could have EASILY been squashed had the R's not insisted they "didn't own that bowl," "didn't own those tissues" "wouldn't have used that spoon." They feigned dumb because they knew admitting JBR had a midnight snack with her brother meant contradicting what they had already said about JBR being asleep when they got home. The fingerprints alone are nothing. The fingerprints combined with the LIES mean something. What, precisely, it means is THE WHOLE POINT OF THE ENTIRE JBR FORUM lol :floorlaugh:

 

[Tawny]

I also feel they didn't want to admit the siblings shared an innocent snack because it goes against their attempts to distance BR from the entire situation. JMO.

 

[Linda7NJ]

I definitely agree with you there. This case should have gone to trial.







I can't speak for others, but I am not angry. That said, you're absolutely freakin' right the pineapple situation could have EASILY been squashed had the R's not insisted they "didn't own that bowl," "didn't own those tissues" "wouldn't have used that spoon." They feigned dumb because they knew admitting JBR had a midnight snack with her brother meant contradicting what they had already said about JBR being asleep when they got home. The fingerprints alone are nothing. The fingerprints combined with the LIES mean something. What, precisely, it means is THE WHOLE POINT OF THE ENTIRE JBR FORUM lol :floorlaugh:

Bingo!!!!!

"What, precisely, it means is THE WHOLE POINT OF THE ENTIRE JBR FORUM"




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[MyBelle]

I definitely agree with you there. This case should have gone to trial.



I can't speak for others, but I am not angry. That said, you're absolutely freakin' right the pineapple situation could have EASILY been squashed had the R's not insisted they "didn't own that bowl," "didn't own those tissues" "wouldn't have used that spoon." They feigned dumb because they knew admitting JBR had a midnight snack with her brother meant contradicting what they had already said about JBR being asleep when they got home. The fingerprints alone are nothing. The fingerprints combined with the LIES mean something. What, precisely, it means is THE WHOLE POINT OF THE ENTIRE JBR FORUM lol :floorlaugh:

I think some posters are forgetting that there are 14-pages of Grand Jury evidence and testimony still sealed. Evidence does exist, we just don't what it is.

 

[iluvmua]

my opinion- no

 

[Linda7NJ]

I also feel they didn't want to admit the siblings shared an innocent snack because it goes against their attempts to distance BR from the entire situation. JMO.

I agree.

I believe the BDI with staging help theory is the easiest to wrap ones head around after getting past the "he's just a child" thing. IMO it best fits the totality of evidence and statements. The reason thet all went along for the ride.

I do believe John wasn't involved very early on...I do believe,based on his very early statements on the 26th he had a good idea and was mentally working through it that morning.

He stated twice to two different LE the house was locked up the night before and after reading the note he checked everything again and found everything still locked up.

Then I believe it sank in...found her... Maybe altered the scene...he did leave for an hour and twenty minutes to "get mail"or "go for walk in the hills"... or remove & ditch evidence...as it was apparent even to him it was a really really INSIDE job.






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[Chewy]

I definitely agree with you there. This case should have gone to trial.



I can't speak for others, but I am not angry. That said, you're absolutely freakin' right the pineapple situation could have EASILY been squashed had the R's not insisted they "didn't own that bowl," "didn't own those tissues" "wouldn't have used that spoon." They feigned dumb because they knew admitting JBR had a midnight snack with her brother meant contradicting what they had already said about JBR being asleep when they got home. The fingerprints alone are nothing. The fingerprints combined with the LIES mean something. What, precisely, it means is THE WHOLE POINT OF THE ENTIRE JBR FORUM lol :floorlaugh:

Then why the vicious condemnation of the Ramseys? If you all really think they covered for Burke, why the scorn and derision?

 

[Linda7NJ]

Actually you can. You have to look at each piece see if it has real evidentiary value before you start adding it to see if it fits with other pieces.



To start trying to make it fit before knowing if it is good and real evidence will lead you down the garden path and out the gate..

That's not how I put a puzzle together. I start by finding the corners, then edges, then I look to build on what I have. I don't pick a random piece and try to fit it into the puzzle.


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[Chewy]

I think some posters are forgetting that there are 14-pages of Grand Jury evidence and testimony still sealed. Evidence does exist, we just don't what it is.

What kind of rational person builds a theory around evidence they can't see?:facepalm:

 

[Tawny]

Then why the vicious condemnation of the Ramseys? If you all really think they covered for Burke, why the scorn and derision?

I have scorn, derision, and condemnation for people who lie and deceive in general. To cover up the murder (intentional or otherwise) of an innocent 6 year old just compounds that.

That said, I think it's... redeeming? (for lack of a better word)... of them, at least to me, that they came together to protect and cover for their remaining child. Honestly, that is what seals the BDI case for me. He is the only thing I can imagine both parents coming together to protect. I really don't believe either would cover for the other for so long, but I do believe they'd want to protect him.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Then why the vicious condemnation of the Ramseys? If you all really think they covered for Burke, why the scorn and derision?

Why not?

I find it disgusting the lengths they'd go to to mislead law enforcement, ruin careers, attack those that only wanted justice for a child they claimed to love.
Look at all the time and money spent on a wild goose chase when LE could have been doing other things.

Just because I said it's the easiest to understand, doesn't mean I condone it in any way shape or form.


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[Linda7NJ]

What kind of rational person builds a theory around evidence they can't see?:facepalm:

Probably the same kind of rational person that would participate in any thread here.


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[Tawny]

What kind of rational person builds a theory around evidence they can't see?:facepalm:

You work with what you have.

 

[SapphireSteel]

Probably the same kind of rational person that would participate in any thread here.


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Oh Linda you are one of my angels on a certain thread, I cant believe we disagree on this one!

However upsetting my questions may be to some I am NOT "trying to shut down" the thread or any discussion.

Ive asked for whatever evidence points to Burke and it seems to boil down to -

A bowl of pineapple
poo on a candy box
Kolars theory

I'm no Sherlock Holmes but honestly....IS THAT IT?!!!

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Oh Linda you are one of my angels on a certain thread, I cant believe we disagree on this one!

However upsetting my questions may be to some I am NOT "trying to shut down" the thread or any discussion.

Ive asked for whatever evidence points to Burke and it seems to boil down to -

A bowl of pineapple
poo on a candy box
Kolars theory

I'm no Sherlock Holmes but honestly....IS THAT IT?!!!

And I can not believe that I completely agree with you here! Miracles happen at WS.

I really have an issue with the fecal matter. I can not find a source for it, find out how much? if it was ever dna tested? Or tested at all to see if it was really fecal matter???

I think that some things have to be backed up. To say you feel he is guilty? Well that is a feeling and you are entitled to it.
To say there is proof that points to him being guilty, I think you have to provide that proof. IMHO