Was Caylee Stored in the freezer?

[Dignity4Victims]

I don't think she put her in the freezer. I don't think she would take any chances that her mom or dad may find her there.

As much as she hates them, particularly Cindy, I can't see her caring if they found Caylee in the freezer. Casey would only view that as a better, more spiteful punishment, in fact.

 

[RR0004]

Was Lee sitting on that freezer that night of July 15th with Kc in the garage?

EEW! I'll take a look for you.

ETA: nah...up to page 47 of his interview...no mention of sitting on the freezer. Lawn chair, perhaps?

 

[LancelotLink]

I can believe she did put her in the freezer. Is this the same day she backed her car into the garage or one of them? Pulled everything out of the freezer, placed her daughter inside, filled it back up with freezer goods and what would no longer fit was taken to Tony's apartment, freezer pops, frozen chicken, etc.

 

[laura08]

I think it is possible she put Caylee there after she killed her, and was going to act like Caylee hid herself there, then she realized that plan wouldn't work. I think if she did she was only there a couple minutes before she came up with other ideas.

 

[suzihawk]

I've always had the feeling that KC put Caylee in the (turtle) sandbox that was in the backyard at the time - if only for a short period while she was debating what to do next. Didn't the dogs hit on a couple of spots in the backyard?

I remember when Greta VanSusteren did the tour of the backyard. When she opened the lid of that sandbox I got a major chill.

 

[strawberry]

I don't know if she did but when I read the transcripts questioning the size of the freezer that's what I thought they were trying to figure out. If she put her there that is.

 

[southernbrunette]

Casey did not write the "I like monkeys" story. I've heard it before.

Yes, I googled it and it's all over the internet..It's supposed to be a joke, but I think it's stupid.

It's just amazing to me she'd pass that information along. I know jokes and stuff like that are often mailed to inmates for entertainment, and she probably received this from some of her "fans"..but reading about all that decomp and stuff, I just wouldn't think she'd pass it along.

 

[joypath]

The celluar morphology of the remaining tissue of the victim would scream out under the microscope if the body had been frozen. Now before anybody yells at me that "no tissue remained", yes, no SOFT tissue remained but the hard tissue of the skeleton did remain and the bone marrow contained within would provide ample evidence of erythrocyte lysis due to dramatic temperature change, something that definitely would have been noted in the post report. Why? Because it provides the detectives a venue to search for more evidence! Most probably there would have been fine line fractures, of course identified as post mortem, as the long bones shifted from the dramatic temperature changes (freezer to FL summer heat) and would have been noted in the post report.
On a more gruesome note, managing a 35+ limp body is not an easy task (unless bound, appendages will flop & flail in random manners) and containing it to shift into a chest type freezer requires some strength and balance....graphically put, I can see that she would probably cause some post mortem trauma, possibly deep enough to impact bone and none was noted on the post report. This felon doesn't appear to be a clear thinking, goal directed planner, nope, too much effort to lift and freeze Caylee's body.

 

[YellowSubmarine]

I really don't know about this freezer thing - but the coincidences are creepy -

"had to eat all the food in the freezer" -- food at TL's
"dead monkey in the toilet" -- possible drowning theory
"burnt monkeys" -- obssession with gas cans
"bad smell"

 

[mom2chloe]

Was Lee sitting on that freezer that night of July 15th with Kc in the garage?

NTS, I believe indeed that LA was sitting on that freezer July 15, but just to be sure, I will once again revisit his first giggling deposition, much as I do not want to go there again!
Kind of creepy the two of them sitting in that garage that night with a smelly Pontiac (at least per LA's statement):crazy:

 

[LambChop]

The celluar morphology of the remaining tissue of the victim would scream out under the microscope if the body had been frozen. Now before anybody yells at me that "no tissue remained", yes, no SOFT tissue remained but the hard tissue of the skeleton did remain and the bone marrow contained within would provide ample evidence of erythrocyte lysis due to dramatic temperature change, something that definitely would have been noted in the post report. Why? Because it provides the detectives a venue to search for more evidence! Most probably there would have been fine line fractures, of course identified as post mortem, as the long bones shifted from the dramatic temperature changes (freezer to FL summer heat) and would have been noted in the post report.
On a more gruesome note, managing a 35+ limp body is not an easy task (unless bound, appendages will flop & flail in random manners) and containing it to shift into a chest type freezer requires some strength and balance....graphically put, I can see that she would probably cause some post mortem trauma, possibly deep enough to impact bone and none was noted on the post report. This felon doesn't appear to be a clear thinking, goal directed planner, nope, too much effort to lift and freeze Caylee's body.

Plus what would she do with all those freezer pops????

 

[mom2chloe]

The celluar morphology of the remaining tissue of the victim would scream out under the microscope if the body had been frozen. Now before anybody yells at me that "no tissue remained", yes, no SOFT tissue remained but the hard tissue of the skeleton did remain and the bone marrow contained within would provide ample evidence of erythrocyte lysis due to dramatic temperature change, something that definitely would have been noted in the post report. Why? Because it provides the detectives a venue to search for more evidence! Most probably there would have been fine line fractures, of course identified as post mortem, as the long bones shifted from the dramatic temperature changes (freezer to FL summer heat) and would have been noted in the post report.
On a more gruesome note, managing a 35+ limp body is not an easy task (unless bound, appendages will flop & flail in random manners) and containing it to shift into a chest type freezer requires some strength and balance....graphically put, I can see that she would probably cause some post mortem trauma, possibly deep enough to impact bone and none was noted on the post report. This felon doesn't appear to be a clear thinking, goal directed planner, nope, too much effort to lift and freeze Caylee's body.

Thanks Joypath for sharing your insight with us. Am I correct in assuming that your statement that the tissue would scream out if the body had been previously frozen implies that this is something that would not have gone unnoticed during the examination? When a forensic person examines hard tissue remains, is this routine to look for erythrocyte lysis? Would it become immediately apparent upon the initial miscroscopic examination? In other words, are you saying that there is no way the remains could have been previously frozen because it was not noted in the autopsy report? Thanks in advance for the clarification and for all your contributions here. I am just lookinig to either explore the freezer further or put another theory to rest. :banghead:

 

[mom2chloe]

Plus what would she do with all those freezer pops????

She might have used them to ice down the body for storage in the trunk or elsewhere. The freezer pops could act as a sort of refreezable ice pack. You can freeze and thaw them as often as needed, whereas frozen chicken would need to remain frozen, She also could have set the freezer pops aside, or in the trunk to make room for something in the freezer.

Wonder if the strange indentation in the back yard could have been caused by a freezer pop box?

 

[LambChop]

She might have used them to ice down the body for storage in the trunk or elsewhere. The freezer pops could act as a sort of refreezable ice pack. You can freeze and thaw them as often as needed, whereas frozen chicken would need to remain frozen, She also could have set the freezer pops aside, or in the trunk to make room for something in the freezer.

Wonder if the strange indentation in the back yard could have been caused by a freezer pop box?

You are funny. You had me until I read about the back yard.

 

[mom2chloe]

The celluar morphology of the remaining tissue of the victim would scream out under the microscope if the body had been frozen. Now before anybody yells at me that "no tissue remained", yes, no SOFT tissue remained but the hard tissue of the skeleton did remain and the bone marrow contained within would provide ample evidence of erythrocyte lysis due to dramatic temperature change, something that definitely would have been noted in the post report. Why? Because it provides the detectives a venue to search for more evidence! Most probably there would have been fine line fractures, of course identified as post mortem, as the long bones shifted from the dramatic temperature changes (freezer to FL summer heat) and would have been noted in the post report.
On a more gruesome note, managing a 35+ limp body is not an easy task (unless bound, appendages will flop & flail in random manners) and containing it to shift into a chest type freezer requires some strength and balance....graphically put, I can see that she would probably cause some post mortem trauma, possibly deep enough to impact bone and none was noted on the post report. This felon doesn't appear to be a clear thinking, goal directed planner, nope, too much effort to lift and freeze Caylee's body.

BBM Although I agree, I do not believe it would be any more difficult for her to place the remains in the freezer than the SUburban disposal site.

Carrying this post over from the A House Floor Plan thread because Gingerdog commented on that thread how incredibly easy it would have been for KC to back up the Pontiac, literally up against the freezer, making a storage in the freezer look like not such a difficult task at all.
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[mom2chloe]

You are funny. You had me until I read about the back yard.

LOL...so could you forget about the backyard part, pretty please! Seriously, if Joypath says the freezer theory is a no go, I will put this to rest, but it is too odd that she backed into the garage 3 days with a freezer chest literally right there. Do you at least like the freezer pop theory? :innocent:

 

[joypath]

Thanks Joypath for sharing your insight with us. Am I correct in assuming that your statement that the tissue would scream out if the body had been previously frozen implies that this is something that would not have gone unnoticed during the examination? When a forensic person examines hard tissue remains, is this routine to look for erythrocyte lysis? Would it become immediately apparent upon the initial microscopic examination? In other words, are you saying that there is no way the remains could have been previously frozen because it was not noted in the autopsy report? Thanks in advance for the clarification and for all your contributions here. I am just looking to either explore the freezer further or put another theory to rest. :banghead:

The evidence of mishandling of the body by freezing would be evident under microscopic tissue examination and definitely the "weirdness" of the microscopic slides would be noted and the possible reasons for the "weirdness" would be identified by the pathologist!
Dramatic shifts in temperature would result in rapid "thawing" and probable bone "cracking" post mortem (think pot hole season on the highway as an example), again would be noted in the report.

Tuck this theory to rest, preferably in the deep freeze next to the Icy-Pops!

FYI: The Post Mortem/Autopsy report is the final checklist of what's present on/in the decedent's body, it's rather like the opposite of the "mommy" checklist at birth...."ten fingers,toes,eyes,ears,etc" and individualized to each case.