Was Josh Seen Buying A LARGE Amount of Shrink Wrap?

I'm from the south and know absolutely nothing about cutting holes in ice on ponds or lakes or whatever, but just a question here. If it turns out to be true that Josh bought a torch, could it be for cutting a hole in ice on a body of water so that he could slip a body through the hole?
 
It just goes to show that people will do anything to get a good deal! I sure hope they don't have little kids who they are forcing to live in that house. That would be so wrong! :furious:

Someone should tell them never ever use a black light in the living room, the walls might freak them out.
 
I'm from the south and know absolutely nothing about cutting holes in ice on ponds or lakes or whatever, but just a question here. If it turns out to be true that Josh bought a torch, could it be for cutting a hole in ice on a body of water so that he could slip a body through the hole?
Absolutely! Or, cutting off a lock or chain, cutting any type of metal. Or, attempting to burn a body.
 
I get such frightening hinky feelings thinking about Susan. I think she knew Josh would harm her but didn't know how or whom to talk with. That poor faithful woman.There is evil in this world.
 
I get such frightening hinky feelings thinking about Susan. I think she knew Josh would harm her but didn't know how or whom to talk with. That poor faithful woman.There is evil in this world.
Susan did share with Tim Peterson who told her to leave Josh. After that, Susan would no longer discuss her marriage with him. Having been in several relationships in which the men did the most horrible things, I know full well that it is embarrassing to tell anyone about their behavior because it makes the woman look like a fool for staying. It appears Susan knew what JP was capable because of the note she wrote in a notebook at work which said something to the effect of "If I end up dead, it won't be by suicide." Clearly she knew JP was capable of murder or she would have never written that. It's a travesty that she didn't get out of the marriage soon enough. It is also apparent that Susan's parents felt she was in danger because they bought her a cell phone and paid the charges each month so Susan could contact them whenever she needed to.
 
I'm from the south and know absolutely nothing about cutting holes in ice on ponds or lakes or whatever, but just a question here. If it turns out to be true that Josh bought a torch, could it be for cutting a hole in ice on a body of water so that he could slip a body through the hole?

I'm originally from Wisconsin, and the standard procedure to cut a hole in the ice is to use an auger; it works remarkably fast; I've seen ice fisherman do it. Using a heat source to cut the ice I think would risk weakening the ice that you are standing on and I believe that it would be fairly slow.

I've heard the ice theory expressed before, but keep in mind Utah consists of desert and mountains. The desert does not have many lakes, the mountains mostly have streams. Some of the lakes in the state that I am familar with may not have been accessible in December using a standard mini-van. There is some ice fishing, but not as popular as Wisconsin and Minnesota.
 
I'm originally from Wisconsin, and the standard procedure to cut a hole in the ice is to use an auger; it works remarkably fast; I've seen ice fisherman do it. Using a heat source to cut the ice I think would risk weakening the ice that you are standing on and I believe that it would be fairly slow.

I've heard the ice theory expressed before, but keep in mind Utah consists of desert and mountains. The desert does not have many lakes, the mountains mostly have streams. Some of the lakes in the state that I am familar with may not have been accessible in December using a standard mini-van. There is some ice fishing, but not as popular as Wisconsin and Minnesota.
I grew up on the east coast back when people ended up wearing cement shoes, they'd say. This is a reference to the amount of weight it takes to keep a body from floating when the mafia guys did away with an enemy and tossed the body in the Hudson River. If JP did this, I imagine something would eventually turn up and be noticed.
 
Also I would think its a poor way to destroy the evidence. The body would be pretty well preserved in a frozen lake so once a body is found it could be processed for trace evidence that might convict the killer. The perp would probably prefer the body were either never found or destroyed by the elements, scavanger animals, etc.

Then again, if Josh is the perp, it doesn't seem to be a safe assumption that this event was well planned. (If its a frame-up, Josh is being quite the co-operative framee).
 
Once again, JP is exhibiting his overpowering desire to control. Knowing full well the Cox's wouldn't accept, he has offered to allow them to see their grandchildren on his terms, something he has every right to do.

I wish the Cox's would call JP's bluff and go visit their grandchildren at Steve Powell's house.

Since we know they are cooperating with LE, I wonder about the timing of their statement. I also wonder if they believe it is "safer" to leave the children and not push this for the time being.

I thought there was a huge change in their public attitude. They seem like they are usually kindly, soft-spoken folks, but tonight's interview showed they are worried sick and just shocked at Josh's total lack of cooperation. To me, the look on their faces says, enough is enough. We've been patient, but now we're speaking out.
The parents specifically mention that Josh has an attorney, and he continues to not cooperate with the West Valley Police. Beyond that, they are still asking to see their grandchildren, something that hasn't happened since Jan 3. Josh will only allow them to see the children at his daddy's home. The Cox's feel this is awkward. I totally understand.

I couldn't watch that clip, the look on Mr Cox's face said it all....

The shrink wrap I am thinking of is just like Saran Wrap. Hot air is used to fill in the voids and make it adhere to itself.

I have been an optician for (a long time) and my husband works in cable. We have both used shrink wrap for work. The type utility company's put underground is shrunk with fire (as in a blow torch) the style I used to cover the metal on a pair of glasses uses hot air.

The stuff comes as thin as plastic (sandwich) wrap or as heavy as a tarp and is made to be shrunk at different temperatures, regardless of it's weight - depending on it's intended use.

The idea that JP may have made this purchase and a torch has me completely creeped out.


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The concept of shrink wrap as murder weapon and disposal fits well with how Josh has been portrayed to me. My impression of bleeding of a person who has died is that it could be profuse due to an overlooked detail like just a slightly sharp surface tearing the skin. I don't want to know more about this than I do, but in my own fantasy the deceased body wouldn't bleed at all-- like in the movies.
 
This is the ABC Interview with Chuck and Judy Cox. The video is in the upper right corner.

Nothing is new except that the Cox parents want Josh to "man-up" and start cooperating with police. They both believe Susan is still alive.

http://www.abc4.com/content/news/sl...-message-for-Josh/V9UjCSrVaUSnVub2mVQ9gQ.cspx

I thought there was a huge change in their public attitude. They seem like they are usually kindly, soft-spoken folks, but tonight's interview showed they are worried sick and just shocked at Josh's total lack of cooperation. To me, the look on their faces says, enough is enough. We've been patient, but now we're speaking out.
The parents specifically mention that Josh has an attorney, and he continues to not cooperate with the West Valley Police. Beyond that, they are still asking to see their grandchildren, something that hasn't happened since Jan 3. Josh will only allow them to see the children at his daddy's home. The Cox's feel this is awkward. I totally understand.

I forgot to add: They showed a shot of the house, all the purple decorations are down. The reporter said Josh left Saturday night.

That is so messed up. Even SGifford--family friend and former DV specialist w Puyallup PD--understands JP "needs to be challenged on his actions" (yathink...) She pointed to the fact JP pulled up tent and moved early on as proof he had no expectation of her ever returning. Coxes now admit JP has demonstrated no concern and done nothing to look for Susan.:mad:

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That is so messed up. Even SGifford--family friend and former DV specialist w Puyallup PD--understands JP "needs to be challenged on his actions" (yathink...) She pointed to the fact JP pulled up tent and moved early on as proof he had no expectation of her ever returning. Coxes now admit JP has demonstrated no concern and done nothing to look for Susan.:mad:

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I guess the "big" announcement that was well worth waiting for was that the Coxes, Shelby Gifford, Jennifer and Kirk Graves were going to appear on Dr. Phil. Maybe they'll be announcing a new reward fund that's been set up to receive contributions and to be managed by the Dr. Phil Show. Since he's a psychologist, maybe he'll be able to get them to say things they have been reluctant to share in the past!
 
It also looks bad for Josh, that he was no doubt invited to be on the show and didn't return their calls or declined the offer.
 
I guess the "big" announcement that was well worth waiting for was that the Coxes, Shelby Gifford, Jennifer and Kirk Graves were going to appear on Dr. Phil. Maybe they'll be announcing a new reward fund that's been set up to receive contributions and to be managed by the Dr. Phil Show. Since he's a psychologist, maybe he'll be able to get them to say things they have been reluctant to share in the past!

I agree. Sounds like this is the big announcement. I'm glad this opportunity has been given to the immediate family and their representative.
I would certainly hope that Dr. P would be sensitive to the pain of having a dear family member missing. Add in the "husband" is moving on with his life as if Susan never existed, it's just heartbreaking.

Personally, I would not want them to be coached or coerced into saying anything they aren't comfortable saying. These folks have been through enough. And, just for the record, Dr. P isn't considered a psychologist. He isn't board certified.
 
It also looks bad for Josh, that he was no doubt invited to be on the show and didn't return their calls or declined the offer.

I don't have a television and I hope someone records the Cox's appearance on Dr. Phil then uploads it to YouTube!

You are right. It would seem the Dr. Phil show would attempt to get hold of JP to ask him to appear on the show. Beings that JP doesn't have a job, there would be nothing to keep him from going, especially since he was willing to leave Charlie and Braden to fly to West Valley City a few days ago.

I just hope Dr. Phill is able to bring out new information and that Susan's family and friends don't say the same thing they've been reported or recorded as saying all along, something that would be boring to all of us who have been following the case. I also hope Dr. Phil focuses on JP and shows photos of the rental car, family van, the boys and JP, asking that anyone who saw JP during particular hours on particular dates to call the WVC police.

And, if they all sit up there and say they think Susan is still alive, it will make them all look pretty foolish, especially since there have been no pleas for Susan's captors to let her go! I hope they get their strategy down because millions of people watch Dr. Phil and this is their big chance to get what they want people to know out there!
 
. And, just for the record, Dr. P isn't considered a psychologist. He isn't board certified.

Thank you! I wasn't aware of this. Here is some interesting information from http://wikipedia.com

McGraw graduated in 1975 from Midwestern State University with a Bachelor of Arts degree in psychology. He went on to earn a master's degree in experimental psychology in 1976, and a Ph.D in clinical psychology in 1979 at the University of North Texas,[6] where his dissertation was titled "Rheumatoid Arthritis: A Psychological Intervention." After run-ins with several faculty members,[7] McGraw was guided through the doctoral program by Frank Lawlis, Ph.D., who later became the primary contributing psychologist for the Dr. Phil television show.[8]

McGraw owned a construction business with his brother-in-law while completing his internship for his Ph.D.[citation needed]
After obtaining his Ph.D., Phillip McGraw joined his father, Dr. Joe McGraw, in Wichita Falls, Texas, where the elder McGraw had established his private psychology practice.[9]

In 1983, McGraw and his father joined Thelma Box, a successful Texas businesswoman, in presenting "Pathways" seminars, "an experience-based training which allows individuals to achieve and create their own results."[10] Critics claim that many of the "phrases and the terminology and the quaint sayings" used by McGraw on the Oprah and Dr. Phil shows were coined by Box and presented by McGraw in this seminar. McGraw admits that some of the material from Life Strategies, his first best-seller, is taken directly from the Pathways seminar. However, he has never mentioned Thelma Box or her contributions to his success in any of his books or TV shows.[7] Eight years after joining Box, McGraw signed an agreement for the sale of his Pathways seminar stock for $325,000 without notifying either his father or Thelma Box of the impending sale. "There was a feeling of betrayal because Phil had compromised the integrity of the program. The accusation is that he reduced Box's asset value in the corporation by selling behind her back."[7] Box founded her own seminars entitled "Choices."[11] It has been reported that McGraw and his father seldom speak.[7]

Texas State Board of Examiners of Psychologists
The Texas State Board of Examiners of Psychologists determined on October 21, 1988 that McGraw had hired a former patient for "part-time temporary employment."[12] Specifically the Board cited "a possible failure to provide proper separation between termination of therapy and the initiation of employment"[13] and issued a letter of reprimand and imposed administrative penalties.[14] The Board also investigated claims made by the patient of inappropriate contact initiated by McGraw, but the "Findings of Fact" document issued by the Board on October 21, 1988, at the end of its investigation, includes no reference to any physical contact of any kind. It specifically identified the "the therapeutic and business relationships" as constituting McGraw's sole issue with the Board.[14] McGraw fulfilled all terms of the Board's requirements, and the Board closed its complaint file in June, 1990.[15]
In 1990, McGraw joined lawyer Gary Dobbs in co-founding Courtroom Sciences Inc. (CSI), a trial consulting firm through which McGraw later came into contact with Oprah Winfrey.[16] Eventually, CSI became a profitable enterprise, advising Fortune 500 companies and injured plaintiffs alike in achieving settlements. McGraw is no longer an officer or director of the company.[16]

After starting CSI, McGraw ceased the practice of Psychology. He maintained his license current and in good standing until he elected to retire it 15 years later in 2006.[17] Appearing on the Today Show in January 2008, McGraw said that he has made it "very clear" that his current work does not involve the practice of psychology. He also said that he had "retired from psychology."[18] According to the Today Show, the California Board of Psychology determined in 2002 that he did not require a license because his show involves "entertainment," rather than psychology.[18]
[ame]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phil_McGraw[/ame]
 
I agree. Sounds like this is the big announcement. I'm glad this opportunity has been given to the immediate family and their representative.
I would certainly hope that Dr. P would be sensitive to the pain of having a dear family member missing. Add in the "husband" is moving on with his life as if Susan never existed, it's just heartbreaking.

Personally, I would not want them to be coached or coerced into saying anything they aren't comfortable saying. These folks have been through enough. And, just for the record, Dr. P isn't considered a psychologist. He isn't board certified.
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjV7k_uSEJY[/ame]
In my opinion Geraldo told them like it is . Dr. P isn't as aggressive.If they got through Geraldo interview, they will be fine with Dr. P interview.
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjV7k_uSEJY
In my opinion Geraldo told them like it is . Dr. P isn't as aggressive.If they got through Geraldo interview, they will be fine with Dr. P interview.
Every time I watch the various videos where JP is talking to a reporter, I just want to barf! His sniveling and sniffing and fake crying just makes me feel ill! What a big faker he is! "Any help would be appreciated." I can't imagine how people who know and love Susan felt when they saw him behaving like this! His conduct is pathetic!
 
Every time I watch the various videos where JP is talking to a reporter, I just want to barf! His sniveling and sniffing and fake crying just makes me feel ill! What a big faker he is! "Any help would be appreciated." I can't imagine how people who know and love Susan felt when they saw him behaving like this! His conduct is pathetic!

(bbm)

And still, to this day he has his friendly apologists. Makes you wonder, doesn't it? :waitasec: _ :mad:
 
I don't have a television and I hope someone records the Cox's appearance on Dr. Phil then uploads it to YouTube!

You are right. It would seem the Dr. Phil show would attempt to get hold of JP to ask him to appear on the show. Beings that JP doesn't have a job, there would be nothing to keep him from going, especially since he was willing to leave Charlie and Braden to fly to West Valley City a few days ago.

I just hope Dr. Phill is able to bring out new information and that Susan's family and friends don't say the same thing they've been reported or recorded as saying all along, something that would be boring to all of us who have been following the case.

Count on it.

I also hope Dr. Phil focuses on JP and shows photos of the rental car, family van, the boys and JP, asking that anyone who saw JP during particular hours on particular dates to call the WVC police.

Don't count on it.

And, if they all sit up there and say they think Susan is still alive, it will make them all look pretty foolish, especially since there have been no pleas for Susan's captors to let her go! I hope they get their strategy down because millions of people watch Dr. Phil and this is their big chance to get what they want people to know out there!

I don't mean to be glib, but my fear is this is just how this is gonna go... that this talkshow is being viewed simply as another opportunity to put Susan's face out there--instead of Josh's--and that we'll hear how it's feared she's been kidnapped and being held somewhere against her will. Sorry, faith isn't denial and I don't believe that strategy is proving to be very effective or helpful in this case.

I would love to be wrong--and hear Dr P ask some real questions of the family such as "For what purposes would Josh in the normal course of his activities be purchasing torches, or shrink wrap?"


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