Was Ronald growing marijuana in his home

[lil momma]

Does anyone know the SF of the MH on 202 Green Lane? Since there was a room that wasn't shown on the video walk through, maybe we can determine the SF of JR's room and see if MAYBE 100 potted plants would fit in it. (wow that electric bill would help too, if we were able to get our hands on it)

 

[Emeralgem]

7 1/2 hours. Lots can be done in that amount of time. 's all I'm sayin'

I'm thinking they may have had up to 9 1/2 hours...JMO

 

[Emeralgem]

I don't see how they could have cleaned up a pot growing set up before calling the police. Even a few plants require a lot of accessories, lamps, timers, dark cabinets, food, etc.

IIRC people were saying they heard him opening and closing what they thought sounded like cabinets when Misty was on the phone with 911...Maybe he was looking to see IF Tommy or whoever he had called upon to help in the cleanup had gotten everything out of the MH...No doubt in my mind he had to rely on others to help him out that night...Since I suspect his momma and his grandma told him he better get his rear into work...JMO

 

[Emeralgem]

Were they all cleaning up the farming operation or getting rid of a dead body?

Junior most definitely would have had plenty of stories for the specialists that interviewed him soon after arriving at 202 that early morning.

Not necessarily so, we don't know where Jr was that evening/ night. We don't even know if he was at the MH when Misty made the 911 call... JMO

 

[Maryann123]

I think it is a real stretch, to think that Ronald would be concerned with preserving marijuana plants after accidentally or purposely killing his daughter. I think he would (in his own words)" have better things to do." If the plants were in his home, or on his property, I can see him being in a frenzy to get rid of them, but neatly stashing them, no! These plants would have been dumped in the nearest place that wouldn't be linked to Ronald. By dumped, I mean tossed, thrown, scattered, whatever. This may have been the only time Ronald wasn't thinking about drugs.

 

[debs]

I frankly could care less about the pot plants, given that 7 months went by between Haleigh's disappearance and the plants' discovery. The plants' size at discovery is unknown and we still can only speculate as to their ownership.

Ron Cummings was arrested for dealing in pills. It is my belief that the arrest only demonstrates that Ron was no neophyte drug dealer. It is further my belief that the MH was scrubbed clean from any drugs that may have been present the day of Haleigh's disappearance BEFORE the 911 call was placed.

It is my belief that the first concern was covering up any other illegal activity before seeking help (such as that seeking from RC was) to find his missing child.

It is even further my belief that the hesitation to call for help and clean up drugs instead suggests strongly that RC knows what happened to his child and cobbled together this convoluted story we have still to this day.

I find it difficult to believe that he did this without the help and assistance of his extremely supportive and coddling family. They have known of his long history of arrests for possession of drugs with intent to sell.

 

[nort]

Getting rid of all those plants would explain the door being propped open.

 

[lonetraveler]

There is an awful lot of talk about this in many different threads. Most recently a post that The Cummings had an extremely high electric bill. Could someone post that please. TIA

Just for kicks I thought I would look to see exactly what it would entail to grow 100 pot plants in a small home. It is being posted in other threads that there were 100 pot plants at the mondex pond when it was drained.

Personally I find it highly unlikely that there were 100 pot plants at 202 Green Lane, remember that Law Enforcement said that Department of Children and families had previously been involved with this family numerous times. Can I ask where we received the number 100? Did that come from Law Enforcement or the media? Could it actually be less than 100? I just feel that 100 pot plants is an awful lot and growing that many plants INDOORS would require significant equipment and lighting. We are talking 250 to 1000 watt bulbs( which attract attention from the power companies who in turn report to Law Enforcement any significant usages. See Here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabis_cultivation Does Ronald have a history of growing marijuana plants? Has he been arrested for possessing marijuana?

How do we know that the plants didn't come from some nervous person who were expecting to have their home searched after Haleigh went missing? Perhaps this was the reason for the gouge in the Croslin's van and the broken headlight. Maybe they weren't disposing of Haleigh but rather disposing of their pot plants?

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Ellle, think about being at a nursery in February. Think about the flats of flowers. They are being grown from seed. In February, the pot plants would be small seedlings. Very, very easy to have 100 or more plants (seedlings at this time of year) in a small room. People here have been caught growing seedlings in bathrooms. It would have been too early or just about time to plant them outside as soon as the threat of frost is gone. Hope this helps you visualize how this could be done. I asked a very knowledgeable person who "farms" as a hobbie. :innocent:

 

[lonetraveler]

I frankly could care less about the pot plants, given that 7 months went by between Haleigh's disappearance and the plants' discovery. The plants' size at discovery is unknown and we still can only speculate as to their ownership.

Ron Cummings was arrested for dealing in pills. It is my belief that the arrest only demonstrates that Ron was no neophyte drug dealer. It is further my belief that the MH was scrubbed clean from any drugs that may have been present the day of Haleigh's disappearance BEFORE the 911 call was placed.

It is my belief that the first concern was covering up any other illegal activity before seeking help (such as that seeking from RC was) to find his missing child.

It is even further my belief that the hesitation to call for help and clean up drugs instead suggests strongly that RC knows what happened to his child and cobbled together this convoluted story we have still to this day.

I find it difficult to believe that he did this without the help and assistance of his extremely supportive and coddling family. They have known of his long history of arrests for possession of drugs with intent to sell.

You nailed it. Any activity to "clean up" the MH prior to calling LE would be a very incriminating action on Ron's part and would definitely, in my opinon too, show that he knows exactly what happened to Haleigh.

 

[lonetraveler]

I think it is a real stretch, to think that Ronald would be concerned with preserving marijuana plants after accidentally or purposely killing his daughter. I think he would (in his own words)" have better things to do." If the plants were in his home, or on his property, I can see him being in a frenzy to get rid of them, but neatly stashing them, no! These plants would have been dumped in the nearest place that wouldn't be linked to Ronald. By dumped, I mean tossed, thrown, scattered, whatever. This may have been the only time Ronald wasn't thinking about drugs.

Do we know that the plants were neatly arranged in the woods near the Mondex? If someone helped move them who could actually appreciate the prospective value of the plants later on may have tried to put them where they would be difficult to find but maybe could be redeemed for cash later. IMO, Ron has never had drugs very far from his mind.

 

[lonetraveler]

Not necessarily so, we don't know where Jr was that evening/ night. We don't even know if he was at the MH when Misty made the 911 call... JMO

You're right as usual Emeralgem. I can see a coordinated effort. Jr. could have been with GGMS. One or both of the Croslin brothers along with cousin Joe could have been cleaning out the plants, drugs and guns. Maybe they got to keep the drugs for payment? But, I can only see the Cummings family taking care of Haleigh.

 

[lonetraveler]

Re RC growing plants. That February was COLD and from what I have researched, they wouldn't have survived too easily....JMO

One other thing to watch for is frost. Even a mild frost can damage plants so watching the weather closely in late September and throughout October is important. If your plants do get damaged by frost the erb is still harvestable so don't give up entirely if you fail to chop before the first frost.

http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis_cultivation1.shtml

Boy the things you learn at WS But I think it would have been hard for them to survive unnoticed for months by mudboggers and given the weather conditions. While I do think RC probably did grow pot--I don't see the link from the pots found back to him. There were several hard freeze warnings IIRC. Again, all JMO.

Because I have a very suspicious mind, I can see Ron growing pot. I can see a possible connection if Tommy or Timmy or Joe moved them there to help with the cleanup. The discovery of the pot plants and the draining of the pond did come after Tommy was arrested and Nay Nay wrote the letter.

 

[elle1919]

I frankly could care less about the pot plants, given that 7 months went by between Haleigh's disappearance and the plants' discovery. The plants' size at discovery is unknown and we still can only speculate as to their ownership.

Ron Cummings was arrested for dealing in pills. It is my belief that the arrest only demonstrates that Ron was no neophyte drug dealer. It is further my belief that the MH was scrubbed clean from any drugs that may have been present the day of Haleigh's disappearance BEFORE the 911 call was placed.

It is my belief that the first concern was covering up any other illegal activity before seeking help (such as that seeking from RC was) to find his missing child.

It is even further my belief that the hesitation to call for help and clean up drugs instead suggests strongly that RC knows what happened to his child and cobbled together this convoluted story we have still to this day.

I find it difficult to believe that he did this without the help and assistance of his extremely supportive and coddling family. They have known of his long history of arrests for possession of drugs with intent to sell.

I could care less about the pot plants too and I don't believe the pot plants discovered near the pond are related. But when a direct link is drawn between what ToC and Joe 's part was on the night Haleigh went missing (getting rid of the pot plants and pills) I feel it becomes necessary to dig deeper into a theory like that. Especially considering that there was never any evidence that what was found at the Mondex was even related to Haleigh's disappearance.

If there was a fight over the gun recovered from the culvert, I have my doubts that RC was feeling so chummy with ToC and Joe that he would call them up and ask for help getting drugs out of his trailer. It just doesn't make sense, but that's just my opinion.

 

[lonetraveler]

Well in some other posts( and different threads) it sure seems as though there are many opinions and conclusions about who the pot plants belonged to so I thought perhaps it was better to discuss it here.

The stories of the van and the broken headlight and scratch down the side have always bothered me. I can't believe that all are coincidental. Perhaps the van was used to move marijuana plants but I don't believe anyone was moving them out of 202 Green Lane. I think it's likely someone was nervous their home was going to be searched and moved the plants.[/QUOTE]

If you think that someone was nervous that their home was going to be searched and moved the plants, why couldn't it be out of 202 Green Lane? Ron knew that his home would definitely be searched after 911 was called.

 

[elle1919]

Ellle, think about being at a nursery in February. Think about the flats of flowers. They are being grown from seed. In February, the pot plants would be small seedlings. Very, very easy to have 100 or more plants (seedlings at this time of year) in a small room. People here have been caught growing seedlings in bathrooms. It would have been too early or just about time to plant them outside as soon as the threat of frost is gone. Hope this helps you visualize how this could be done. I asked a very knowledgeable person who "farms" as a hobbie. :innocent:

Oh I can visualize it easy enough, for sure. :crazy:But, I just can't visualize it happening at 202 Green Lane and even if I could it doesn't make sense to me that Tommy and Joe would be the two cr**ps that RC is going to call to help him. No way.

 

[elle1919]

Well in some other posts( and different threads) it sure seems as though there are many opinions and conclusions about who the pot plants belonged to so I thought perhaps it was better to discuss it here.

The stories of the van and the broken headlight and scratch down the side have always bothered me. I can't believe that all are coincidental. Perhaps the van was used to move marijuana plants but I don't believe anyone was moving them out of 202 Green Lane. I think it's likely someone was nervous their home was going to be searched and moved the plants.[/QUOTE]

If you think that someone was nervous that their home was going to be searched and moved the plants, why couldn't it be out of 202 Green Lane? Ron knew that his home would definitely be searched after 911 was called.

He sure would. Anyone within in earshot of the helicopters and news trucks that day might have grown nervous. Door to door searches?

 

[lonetraveler]

Would someone mind filling me in on why the pot plants are being linked to Ronald's home? I have seen many posts about this here at Ws, but I have spent the last hour and a half reading 3 old threads and nowhere did it say that there were plants even in pots discovered? It was stated in many articles that it was a field of marijuana, am I missing something?

It was also reported that 100 pots were found in a field near the mondex. Your post above.http://www.palatkadailynews.com/articles/2009/09/19/news/news01.txt

 

[lonetraveler]

Having consistent stories among all the press reporting has been a big problem since day one. There have been so many different versions of events it is difficult to interpret them. "Will the real story please stand up?"

 

[elle1919]

It was also reported that 100 pots were found in a field near the mondex. Your post above.http://www.palatkadailynews.com/articles/2009/09/19/news/news01.txt

I don't think we have any clear indication if it was a field of marijuana or pots of plants near the pond.

 

[debs]

I could care less about the pot plants too and I don't believe the pot plants discovered near the pond are related. But when a direct link is drawn between what ToC and Joe 's part was on the night Haleigh went missing (getting rid of the pot plants and pills) I feel it becomes necessary to dig deeper into a theory like that. Especially considering that there was never any evidence that what was found at the Mondex was even related to Haleigh's disappearance.

If there was a fight over the gun recovered from the culvert, I have my doubts that RC was feeling so chummy with ToC and Joe that he would call them up and ask for help getting drugs out of his trailer. It just doesn't make sense, but that's just my opinion.

I have seen no direct link between Tommy and Joe. I have seen much speculation and an attempt to draw a line.

Again, it is a conversation between Tommy and LE, and Nay Nay's letter to her boyfriend which was followed up with a search of the L pond and the discovery of the plants. There is no link, per se, other than that.

We have two people (Misty, TN, and a possible third, known only as "family") stating there WAS a fight over a gun. We have Misty on tape finding the gun in the "culbert, right where Ron says it was. Imagine that." But you're right in stating that if there was a fight, the likelihood of depending on Joe to help move plants seems to suggest he wasn't asked by Ron; perhaps his cousins recruited him (IF there was indeed an effort to clear out the MH).

Frankly, I'd bet that IF the Croslins were involved in clearing out the MH of any drugs/paraphernalia, they did so without knowing that Haleigh was gone, until after-the-fact. Then it was an "Oh s#@$" moment for them, which has lasted over a year.