Was the press coverage fair to the ramseys?

[dodie20]

My teenaged niece was a part of that pageant system, & it was ridiculous. not even really about beauty & talent, but the advertising money that the parents brought in. & I never even saw the babies or younger kids, until my niece showed me the program, (& those pics were creepy & disturbing, to say the least). I, along with a few others, watched her performances. Her mom, who had raised a lot of money, was PO'd because her daughter didn't win a major title. She called the coordinator, reminded her of the sponsorship money, & made it clear that she expected more from the next event. The lady promised her more, & she got it, the next time. That's how it works. Yes, after seeing JonBenet's pics, I'd have to say, that this pageant system promotes, if not kiddie , then something very close. But considering the money that Patsy was probably waving around, she may have been given extra privileges & leeway, to bend the rules, a little. Because above all else, those pageants are in the business of making money.

 

[WHITEFANG]

My teenaged niece was a part of that pageant system, & it was ridiculous. not even really about beauty & talent, but the advertising money that the parents brought in. & I never even saw the babies or younger kids, until my niece showed me the program, (& those pics were creepy & disturbing, to say the least). I, along with a few others, watched her performances. Her mom, who had raised a lot of money, was PO'd because her daughter didn't win a major title. She called the coordinator, reminded her of the sponsorship money, & made it clear that she expected more from the next event. The lady promised her more, & she got it, the next time. That's how it works. Yes, after seeing JonBenet's pics, I'd have to say, that this pageant system promotes, if not kiddie , then something very close. But considering the money that Patsy was probably waving around, she may have been given extra privileges & leeway, to bend the rules, a little. Because above all else, those pageants are in the business of making money.

You mean,

kiddie

Child refers to images or films (also known as child abuse images and in some cases writings depicting sexually explicit activities involving a child; as such, child is a record of child sexual abuse. Abuse of the child occurs during the sexual acts which are recorded in the production of child .

 

[WHITEFANG]

It speaks for itself.

 

[BBB167893]

Help the cops do what?

Find who killed their kids, Fang. Isn't it obvious?

 

[BBB167893]

No. Not the point at all.

Oh, but it is. This case is indicative of big problems in the legal system.

Let's try this again. The following paragraph, as referenced by SD, is typical media spin (lies), that condemns the Rs. That is the point.

"In the JonBenet Ramsey case, the parents initially told police the little girl was missing. While the police were searching the house, the father discovered the body in an unused basement room and carried it upstairs, effectively destroying the crime scene. A highly suspect ransom note was found. Most compelling, there were no footprints leading to or from the house — in a fresh snowfall. Both parents were obviously suspects, but they didn't sit down with police for separate interrogations until months later — after extensive negotiations."

NR is a political publication, Fang. It has little to do with typical media. They're out to make a point.

 

[WHITEFANG]

Find who killed their kids, Fang. Isn't it obvious?

That's what I just said. You believe they should have helped them find them.

 

[WHITEFANG]

Oh, but it is. This case is indicative of big problems in the legal system.

NR is a political publication, Fang. It has little to do with typical media. They're out to make a point.

Let's not shrink the meaning of media to that extent.

The issue here is the bias of the media and this family, whether it existed/exists and it most surely did and does. It was flaming. It was outrageous. It was unfair to the extreme; they were crucified daily nationally and some times internationally. I defy anyone to go through it and handle it like they did, especially in light of JonBenet's murder.

 

[BBB167893]

That's what I just said. You believe they should have helped them find them.

Gods, give me strength...

My POINT is that if you look at how the innocent parents acted and how the Rs acted, it's the difference between night and day. I'm not the only person to point it out, either. Marc Klaas, Norm Early, ad infinito.

The issue here is the bias of the media and this family, whether it existed/exists and it most surely did and does. It was flaming. It was outrageous. It was unfair to the extreme; they were crucified daily nationally and some times internationally. I defy anyone to go through it and handle it like they did, especially in light of JonBenet's murder

:boohoo: Somehow, that just doesn't rouse my sympathy like the actual VICTIM does.

 

[WHITEFANG]

Gods, give me strength

Kind of obvious who the cops were looking for in this fiasco, who they decided had done this deed. They wanted the Rs to take the fall. They were convinced they were guilty. Every word and every thing they did was twisted into whatever would accomplish their goal. And so the Rs were supposed to help them find them guilty. Never thought I'd say this but, Thank God for their lawyers.

My POINT is that if you look at how the innocent parents acted and how the Rs acted, it's the difference between night and day. I'm not the only person to point it out, either. Marc Klaas, Norm Early, ad infinito.

What did you expect? This had to be spectacular! That was the whole idea!

 

[WHITEFANG]

Gods, give me strength...

The issue here is the bias of the media and this family, whether it existed/exists and it most surely did and does. It was flaming. It was outrageous. It was unfair to the extreme; they were crucified daily nationally and some times internationally. I defy anyone to go through it and handle it like they did, especially in light of JonBenet's murder

:boohoo: Somehow, that just doesn't rouse my sympathy like the actual VICTIM does.

See, this has nothing to do with arousing sympathy. We were discussing the media and whether they were fair to the R's in their coverage.

Yet, I'm afraid the response is indicative of the medias' unaccountability. Their deluge upon the Rs is a phenomenon unique to our times. Theirs' is an onslaught without precedent, or a name, and without laws. Descend upon a citizen with the power of instant worldwide mass communication exposure with hundreds of people and the finest camera equipment on earth, who will harass, torment, harangue, pester, follow ceaselessly, 24/7, without the slightest hint of fairness or decency, in the name of NEWS, but more accurately in the name of headlines and greed. Millions and millions of people view their bounty instantaneously without a bull filter. Tabloid publications pronouncing the latest alien abductions of the government, suddenly prove expert in fact gathering as experienced crime scene detectives, not to mention bribes and blackmail to force illicit nonsense from who knows who. Try it sometime, being the focus of this madness, that is. No thanks.

 

[WHITEFANG]

Oh, but it is. This case is indicative of big problems in the legal system.



NR is a political publication, Fang. It has little to do with typical media. They're out to make a point.

NR is a political publication, so don't include them in the media? Don't you think the Rs were hoping political publications would help to celebrate the death of their little superstar?

 

[WHITEFANG]

Oh, but it is. This case is indicative of big problems in the legal system.

NR is a political publication, Fang. It has little to do with typical media. They're out to make a point.

The question is, Was the media fair to the Ramsey's in their coverage?

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

The question is, Was the media fair to the Ramsey's in their coverage?

Hmm, I know your questions are sometimes rhetorical, but...

Lipstick photos snagged from child beauty pageant (aka playing with dolls) juxtaposed with JR or JMK photos and placed before supermarket shoppers from coast to coast. Gee, WF. I don't know. Whadda you think?

Its fair when the proceeds from each and every one of those tabloid sales is in check form.

 

[WHITEFANG]

Hmm, I know your questions are sometimes rhetorical, but...

Lipstick photos snagged from child beauty pageant (aka playing with dolls) juxtaposed with JR or JMK photos and placed before supermarket shoppers from coast to coast. Gee, WF. I don't know. Whadda you think?

Its fair when the proceeds from each and every one of those tabloid sales is in check form.

I know what I think, but I want to know others believe. What seems to me to be absolutely one way is seen completely differently by others.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

I know what I think, but I want to know others believe. What seems to me to be absolutely one way is seen completely differently by others.

Others believe completely differently but in an identical way. They believe only a subset of what they have seen, experienced, or heard about.

 

[WHITEFANG]

Others believe completely differently but in an identical way. They believe only a subset of what they have seen, experienced, or heard about.

Not fair at all. What subset? Could be true of me. That's why it's important to try to keep an open mind. If I don't, I'm prone to become just like those I criticize.

 

[BBB167893]

Kind of obvious who the cops were looking for in this fiasco, who they decided had done this deed. They wanted the Rs to take the fall. They were convinced they were guilty. Every word and every thing they did was twisted into whatever would accomplish their goal. And so the Rs were supposed to help them find them guilty.

Yes, we've established that's what you think.

Never thought I'd say this but, Thank God for their lawyers.

I'm sure they feel the same way. That was kind of my point: the defense lawyers have walked through the door that the Warren Court opened and corrupted the system.

What did you expect? This had to be spectacular! That was the whole idea!

I have no idea what you're talking about.

See, this has nothing to do with arousing sympathy. We were discussing the media and whether they were fair to the R's in their coverage.

"Nothing to do with arousing sympathy?" My fat Irish butt. So far, I fail to see what this accomplishes besides trying to make the Rs out to be victims. I closed that book a long time ago.

Yet, I'm afraid the response is indicative of the medias' unaccountability. Their deluge upon the Rs is a phenomenon unique to our times. Theirs' is an onslaught without precedent, or a name, and without laws. Descend upon a citizen with the power of instant worldwide mass communication exposure with hundreds of people and the finest camera equipment on earth, who will harass, torment, harangue, pester, follow ceaselessly, 24/7, without the slightest hint of fairness or decency, in the name of NEWS, but more accurately in the name of headlines and greed. Millions and millions of people view their bounty instantaneously without a bull filter. Tabloid publications pronouncing the latest alien abductions of the government, suddenly prove expert in fact gathering as experienced crime scene detectives, not to mention bribes and blackmail to force illicit nonsense from who knows who. Try it sometime, being the focus of this madness, that is. No thanks.

Sadly, Fang, there's nothing unique about it. Not anymore.

NR is a political publication, so don't include them in the media?

That's a rabbit hole I'd rather not go down on this forum.

Don't you think the Rs were hoping political publications would help to celebrate the death of their little superstar?

I doubt they thought about it. NR isn't the first thing that pops into my mind when someone says "media."

 

[WHITEFANG]

See, this has nothing to do with arousing sympathy. We were discussing the media and whether they were fair to the R's in their coverage.

"Nothing to do with arousing sympathy?" My fat Irish butt. So far, I fail to see what this accomplishes besides trying to make the Rs out to be victims. I closed that book a long time ago.

What do you call parents of a brutally murdered child?

 

[WHITEFANG]

Yes, we've established that's what you think.

I'm sure they feel the same way. That was kind of my point: the defense lawyers have walked through the door that the Warren Court opened and corrupted the system.

Pretty broad brush there my friend.

"Nothing to do with arousing sympathy?" My fat Irish butt. So far, I fail to see what this accomplishes besides trying to make the Rs out to be victims. I closed that book a long time ago.

Was press coverage fair? Stick to the question.

Sadly, Fang, there's nothing unique about it. Not anymore.

Unique today or not makes no difference. It is far more than sad, I assure you. It was criminal. It was an assault. It was battery against them, psychologically.
Their daughter had her head bashed in. Commuted fracture and an eight and one half inch long and one half inch wide fat crack across her skull. She was bruised. She was strangled to death. She had a deep horrible furrow ripped through her neck. She was destroyed.
Soon, we'll have a name for what these animals in the press did to them and Dianna, etc. and felony laws against it.

That's a rabbit hole I'd rather not go down on this forum.

Whatever. I went down it and found media.

I doubt they thought about it. NR isn't the first thing that pops into my mind when someone says "media."

You are not P. Come on, she wouldn't turn down free exposure of her superstar? That was the whole idea behind strangling her daughter.

 

[BBB167893]

What do you call parents of a brutally murdered child?

That depends on WHO murdered them!