Was there a note or words left with any of the victims.

[Fletch1234]

For some reason I recall reading that one of the bodies found not at oak beach had a small note with a weird phrase like 3.words but I can't find it..anyone recall this detail. I think it was something in Spanish Thanks

 

[Fletch1234]

Think it was cherries mamonoreck in the suitcase we're pieces of paper looked like a calendar when pieced together with the words Cinco and begin to live. I wonder what the significance of the Spanish calendar pieces.

 

[Bose]

Think it was cherries mamonoreck in the suitcase we're pieces of paper looked like a calendar when pieced together with the words Cinco and begin to live. I wonder what the significance of the Spanish calendar pieces.

Yes, it was "Cherries," who I believe you are referring to. Here is an old Long Island Press article by Jaclyn Gallucci, May 11, 2011, detailing some specifics at the time: Two Ocean Parkway Remains Still Await Identification | Long Island Press

In the article is mentions the following: "The woman’s stabbed torso had washed up in a suitcase on a Mamaroneck beach on March 3. Her right foot and leg washed up in Cold Spring Harbor on March 27.

Investigators describe her as a Hispanic or light-skinned black female 5’10”, 180-200 lbs wearing a red camisole with a Spanish label, purple Champion sweats, tan long-sleeved Voice T-shirt, blue bra, and a tattoo of two cherries on right breast. Scraps of paper in the crevices of the suitcase form a calendar page that says “cinco” and “begin to live.”

I have often wondered about the calendar pieces, too--why they were left there by the killer. It could have been an oversight, but I'm undecided as to whether it was intentional or not (leaning toward intentional).

 

[Fletch1234]

Yes, it was "Cherries," who I believe you are referring to. Here is an old Long Island Press article by Jaclyn Gallucci, May 11, 2011, detailing some specifics at the time: Two Ocean Parkway Remains Still Await Identification | Long Island Press

In the article is mentions the following: "The woman’s stabbed torso had washed up in a suitcase on a Mamaroneck beach on March 3. Her right foot and leg washed up in Cold Spring Harbor on March 27.

Investigators describe her as a Hispanic or light-skinned black female 5’10”, 180-200 lbs wearing a red camisole with a Spanish label, purple Champion sweats, tan long-sleeved Voice T-shirt, blue bra, and a tattoo of two cherries on right breast. Scraps of paper in the crevices of the suitcase form a calendar page that says “cinco” and “begin to live.”

I have often wondered about the calendar pieces, too--why they were left there by the killer. It could have been an oversight, but I'm undecided as to whether it was intentional or not (leaning toward intentional).

Thanks for sharing the article and information. Yea the begin to live is interesting. Brings up some of the ideas about how PH father told PH something about how the prostitutes can't be fixed or helped in life during the Atlantic City Trips. Maybe the killer felt he was doing a community service and a favor to the "" by killing them. So they can begin to live a new life. Probably filled a fetish and eventually had some financial gain imo.

 

[Bose]

Thanks for sharing the article and information. Yea the begin to live is interesting. Brings up some of the ideas about how PH father told PH something about how the prostitutes can't be fixed or helped in life during the Atlantic City Trips. Maybe the killer felt he was doing a community service and a favor to the "" by killing them. So they can begin to live a new life. Probably filled a fetish and eventually had some financial gain imo.

I'm undecided about the CPH angle, but I do agree with you about the fetish part. If we look at "Cherries," I tend to lean toward her dismemberment being an effort to conceal her identity. Her torso being in a suitcase--it wasn't displayed out in the open for someone to stumble upon, it seems like the killer was hoping the evidence...she...would go away, and parts be lost. I often wonder, with this particular case, if "Cherries" was the victim of domestic violence, or some sort of relationship with the killer gone wrong. It seems more along those lines to me, but again, we don't know. I'm reminded of the recent case of the murder of Orsolya Gaal in Forest Hills, Queens by David Bonola, where Orsolya's remains were put in a duffel bag: Queens Mother in Duffel Bag: Handyman David Bonola Arrested in Orsolya Gaal Death – NBC New York

I don't know if LE has looked at David Bonola for any other possible murders.

Pure conjecture: The calendar pieces and wording in Spanish could have been "Cherries," perhaps dates she planned to leave her murderer, if they were in a relationship. Conversely, it could have been a message from the murderer himself, stating that he would begin to live, once she was deceased. I see no reason to try to dismember/scatter body pieces to delay identification, yet also at the same time leave some sort of wording with the body. Why leave anything with the body unless it had meaning to the killer. Just my thoughts.

 

[ListeningAndWatching]

Yes, it was "Cherries," who I believe you are referring to. Here is an old Long Island Press article by Jaclyn Gallucci, May 11, 2011, detailing some specifics at the time: Two Ocean Parkway Remains Still Await Identification | Long Island Press

In the article is mentions the following: "The woman’s stabbed torso had washed up in a suitcase on a Mamaroneck beach on March 3. Her right foot and leg washed up in Cold Spring Harbor on March 27.

Investigators describe her as a Hispanic or light-skinned black female 5’10”, 180-200 lbs wearing a red camisole with a Spanish label, purple Champion sweats, tan long-sleeved Voice T-shirt, blue bra, and a tattoo of two cherries on right breast. Scraps of paper in the crevices of the suitcase form a calendar page that says “cinco” and “begin to live.”

I have often wondered about the calendar pieces, too--why they were left there by the killer. It could have been an oversight, but I'm undecided as to whether it was intentional or not (leaning toward intentional).

When I first heard about that writing found near the body my instant thought was someone who was in some sort of drug rehab, "begin to live" sounds like a phrase used in therapy to help addicts try and recover and stay focused and sober. Also perhaps something evangelical. Many addicts turn to the church and its services during hard times. Just a couple of things that struck me on that.

 

[EpiVox444]

While all very interesting speculation on the calendar pieces, the chances are very small they were intentionally placed there.. The killer most likely grabbed an old suitcase closest to him (he has a dead body to get rid of, time is of the essence).. Old suitcases are very likely to have detritus, junk, left inside. Seems like a common thing. This is merely 'apophenia' at work here, most likely.

 

[Bose]

While all very interesting speculation on the calendar pieces, the chances are very small they were intentionally placed there.. The killer most likely grabbed an old suitcase closest to him (he has a dead body to get rid of, time is of the essence).. Old suitcases are very likely to have detritus, junk, left inside. Seems like a common thing. This is merely 'apophenia' at work here, most likely.

I agree that apophenia is possible, here. Many of us have old suitcases with, as you said, junk left inside. Baggage tags/travel info, old tissues, a mint or gum wrapper, stray Tylenol, random things related to travel. Or, if the baggage was used to move from place to place (housing), perhaps something like a calendar, or calendar pieces.

The wording, as you said, doesn't have to mean anything specific. The killer could have simply took an old suitcase that was handy, as you mentioned. If that is the case, the killing/storage seems more disorganized, IMO. The body was stabbed, then torso put in a suitcase. This does not seem like a usual "torso" type of killer, who display their torsos where they might be found. The torso was concealed within the suitcase, where obviously a whole body would likely not fit--just the torso. If they were hurrying to get rid of evidence of the crime, just seems odd to me to leave the calendar pieces in there. In a pocket, I could understand as an oversight--in "crevices," I would think it was seen while manipulating the torso to fit in the suitcase. If indeed the scraps of paper made up an entire calendar page.

Good points!