Watching Motions Hearing Live on Friday 10-10-08 - # 2

[okiedokietoo]

Exactly! Especially since this was information he would have gotten next week when KC was indicted! So, he gets some info a few days sooner, Big Deal. It's obvious he doesn't have a clue how to even began a defense for his Kill-:bangcough) I mean client!

He won't get the info he wants before the Grand Jury meets - State has 10 days
http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2008/10/10/casey_anthony_hearing.html

 

[kathyn2]

Why couldn't Baez have gotten the flight manifest himself and investigated it??? Why is he waiting all this time to get it? What is he talking to KC about every day all day??? Why isn't he getting more info from her on ZG??? Why isn't Baez getting info from Cindy on all her tips that she has turned over to LE??? Baez just wants that info so he can say that LE didn't check good enough for a ZG. I hope and pray that TES finds Caylee soon to put this ZG stuff to rest altho I wouldn't doubt that Baez doesn't claim that ZG killed Caylee and put her in the trunk.

 

[okiedokietoo]

Why couldn't Baez have gotten the flight manifest himself and investigated it??? Why is he waiting all this time to get it? What is he talking to KC about every day all day??? Why isn't he getting more info from her on ZG??? Why isn't Baez getting info from Cindy on all her tips that she has turned over to LE??? Baez just wants that info so he can say that LE didn't check good enough for a ZG. I hope and pray that TES finds Caylee soon to put this ZG stuff to rest altho I wouldn't doubt that Baez doesn't claim that ZG killed Caylee and put her in the trunk.

I agree with you ! Although I don't think that he and KC are talking for 6 hours - she's watching TV and eating lunch

 

[Feistyoldbroad]

I bet Casey wants to search the Fusion on Halloween.

 

[dcorrigano]

The main point I got out of these hearing is that

KC doesnt want to be released to find her daughter. They want her to be able to take JB to the places that she went to with the police to see what they asked her where.

The rest he is going to get anyway when the charges are filed.

He is worried alot about her safety, you wanna make a safety issue let her go to key places of interest. No matter how secret it is, we all know the key places and someone will follow them everywhere.... Let her go. I believe all day long, give her enough rope she will hang herself.

 

[beetrue]

I believe all motions were decided upon with logic. I also believe the judge will make wise decisions on the remaining motions. I am more curious than ever on the forensic, tips, and ZG documents. Let's see it all! (of course, I know that is not OUR right.)

I find it hard to understand when people are angry that the judge was not biased and opinionated. I do not understand how one would want the judge to not order for the law to be followed. or to want the judge to be unfair, unjust, and illogical. The judge did not do JB any favours. The judge had to reiterate to both parties what is expected in complying with the law of Discovery. Amen.

 

[CaliKid]

I would be deeply depressed and distraught...feelings that I dont think I could hide from my friends and family...i would NOT be able to fake a smile much less go out dancing and having sex. Would I tell LE {yes I would}, but I KNOW i would not be able to fake being happy. I would not be able to function normally knowing someone took my child..even if I had "trusted" the person...being without my child is NOT an option...

And not only that, but she didn't mention her "missing child" to ANYONE- not her boyfriend and roomates, her bff, her parents or people she was partying with. There are safe ways to get around any "don't tell LE" provisions. But KC didn't avail herself to any mention of Caylee or help that would've been offered if she had.

 

[Terilee]

Why couldn't Baez have gotten the flight manifest himself and investigated it??? Why is he waiting all this time to get it? What is he talking to KC about every day all day??? Why isn't he getting more info from her on ZG??? Why isn't Baez getting info from Cindy on all her tips that she has turned over to LE??? Baez just wants that info so he can say that LE didn't check good enough for a ZG. I hope and pray that TES finds Caylee soon to put this ZG stuff to rest altho I wouldn't doubt that Baez doesn't claim that ZG killed Caylee and put her in the trunk.

GOOD POINTS! The ZG info really ticks me off! Baez, if you want to find THEE ZG just ask your damn client. Why is he trying to find ZG anyway? Apparently, Casey is still maintaining her ZG story to Baez. Is he seriously going to waste a sh*tload of time tracking down every ZG in the world? what a joke. If I was him, and Casey was still maintaining the ZG bulls**t, I would tell her find a new attorney

 

[Pollywog]

I think JB believes everything KC tells him just as her parents do. She cannot honestly think that she is really going to look for her daughter because she knows Caylee is not alive. She could say someone else killed her, but how would she explain they put her in the trunk? If ZG did kill her and put her in the trunk of KC's car, then when KC found her why not tell someone, anyone? Because KC herself is the ONLY one who did harm to her child and disposed of her body.

Had KC reported it BEFORE her mother confronted her, then folks may believe her story. The fact that she did NOTHING about her missing daughter, continued her life as if she never had a child, went to clubs, parties etc and never ever said her child was in danger, lost or whatever, speaks loudly for what KC actually did. KC could have told her dad, who was ex LE and he would have known what to do, if in fact KC was not responsible for Caylees death. She said nothing, so therefore to me she knows exactly what she has done.

KC is so used to gettting her way, having people believe her lies and never question what she says that she thinks everyone shoudl believe what she says.

This family makes me sick.

 

[NancyT]

I believe all motions were decided upon with logic. I also believe the judge will make wise decisions on the remaining motions. I am more curious than ever on the forensic, tips, and ZG documents. Let's see it all! (of course, I know that is not OUR right.)

I find it hard to understand when people are angry that the judge was not biased and opinionated. I do not understand how one would want the judge to not order for the law to be followed. or to want the judge to be unfair, unjust, and illogical. The judge did not do JB any favours. The judge had to reiterate to both parties what is expected in complying with the law of Discovery. Amen.

Who is angry? Personally, I don't believe Baez got much of anything. The thing that shocked me was when he was granted access to the car and is allowed to take an air sample. I'm not angry that he was granted this, but I was shocked. The law could have easily sided with prosecutors since Casey has not been charged with any homicide charge at all. The state specifically argued that they were NOT going to use that evidence in the child neglect case. The defense is really only entitled (by law) to evidences that would be presented for what's already been charged. The judge did toss them a bone, IMO, on this issue.

They would have gotten it eventually anyway, because as of next week, Casey more than likely will be charged with murder at max or manslaughter at minimal.

Many of the other motions, IMO, while it may appear that the judge ruled in favor of the defense (and technically, that might be true), Baez didn't get as much as reports are trying to insinuate. The motion to keep the state from destroying the evidence? Where did Baez attend law school? I believe in every state in the nation that it's already law. There was no need to waste the court's time with such a silly motion.

I don't dislike Baez. I don't particularly have any sympathy for his client, but he's certainly not guilty of anything here. I do think he is way out of his league, though.

 

[GirlinCentralFL]

GOOD POINTS! The ZG info really ticks me off! Baez, if you want to find THEE ZG just ask your damn client. Why is he trying to find ZG anyway? Apparently, Casey is still maintaining her ZG story to Baez. Is he seriously going to waste a sh*tload of time tracking down every ZG in the world? what a joke. If I was him, and Casey was still maintaining the ZG bulls**t, I would tell her find a new attorney

Don't you mean "The Phantom Zenaida" per the State. :woohoo: The prosecution knows she is fake. I am surprised they even had straight faces when that was mentioned.

 

[Lexington]

If JB was so worried about KC's safety, I would think that he would not want her travelling back and forth to his office every day and to "places of interest". I would think that the safest place for her to be would be in her house 24/7.

 

[Short_Stuff]

I agree with the state, why did Baez need all this now for a child neglect case.
But, he would have gotten it next week anyway, so whats a week?
Im just glad she cant travel, and I really dont think the judge is going to allow it and she will be going up for murder charges anyway so it wont happen.
She will be in jail next week for good.

 

[Insomnia Momma]

Who is angry? Personally, I don't believe Baez got much of anything. The thing that shocked me was when he was granted access to the car and is allowed to take an air sample. I'm not angry that he was granted this, but I was shocked. The law could have easily sided with prosecutors since Casey has not been charged with any homicide charge at all. The state specifically argued that they were NOT going to use that evidence in the child neglect case. The defense is really only entitled (by law) to evidences that would be presented for what's already been charged. The judge did toss them a bone, IMO, on this issue.

They would have gotten it eventually anyway, because as of next week, Casey more than likely will be charged with murder at max or manslaughter at minimal.

Many of the other motions, IMO, while it may appear that the judge ruled in favor of the defense (and technically, that might be true), Baez didn't get as much as reports are trying to insinuate. The motion to keep the state from destroying the evidence? Where did Baez attend law school? I believe in every state in the nation that it's already law. There was no need to waste the court's time with such a silly motion.

I don't dislike Baez. I don't particularly have any sympathy for his client, but he's certainly not guilty of anything here. I do think he is way out of his league, though.

I agree with every word and I would add that I WANT every single thing to do with this case to be fair and just. I don't want ANY wiggle room for Kc to possibly get off on a technicality. She deserves a fair and just trial just as well do. JB, while many things, is NOT the one who did wrong here. Yep folks, even Kc is allowed a fair trial by a jury of here peers here in the good ole' US of A. I believe to strongly in our constitution to deny even her that.

 

[TURBOTHINK]

I think JB believes everything KC tells him just as her parents do. She cannot honestly think that she is really going to look for her daughter because she knows Caylee is not alive. She could say someone else killed her, but how would she explain they put her in the trunk? If ZG did kill her and put her in the trunk of KC's car, then when KC found her why not tell someone, anyone? Because KC herself is the ONLY one who did harm to her child and disposed of her body.

Had KC reported it BEFORE her mother confronted her, then folks may believe her story. The fact that she did NOTHING about her missing daughter, continued her life as if she never had a child, went to clubs, parties etc and never ever said her child was in danger, lost or whatever, speaks loudly for what KC actually did. KC could have told her dad, who was ex LE and he would have known what to do, if in fact KC was not responsible for Caylees death. She said nothing, so therefore to me she knows exactly what she has done.

KC is so used to gettting her way, having people believe her lies and never question what she says that she thinks everyone shoudl believe what she says.

This family makes me sick.

I am beginning to think he does too. That is so absurd to even think he might believe her, but then I look at what he has tried to find out and it amounts to basically nothing. He did not even have the flight manifest on the MCO/ATL flight and all that would have taken would have been a trip to the airport and explain his position. Airlines are more than cooperative in a case like this.

I then think he doesn't believe her because of that lack of trying to find anything to connect the dots in this case.

 

[TURBOTHINK]

The pending motions that were held for a "later court date".....How long could they hold these motions?

As long as he wants but he said something about the first of the week. Then he said Monday once. I tend to think it will be later in the week as he seems to not be wanting to interfere with the GJ.

 

[TURBOTHINK]

I hate reading all these rulings. It appears that the vast majority have been ruled in favor of the defense. While that may technically be correct, Baez didn't get as much as he asked for in reality.

4. Motion to inspect, test and photograph evidence held by the state of Florida Ruled in favor of defense
I'm not even sure this is accurate. Baez was trying to force the state to not destroy DNA samples, so he could test them at a later time. This is already law thus making Baez' motion absurd. He will not get to conduct his own testing at this point in time and he cannot dictate how the state conducts their investigation. He gained nothing and lost nothing with this ruling.

5. Motion to compel department of children and family records
Denied, Baez has to retile

From my prospective, this showed us how experienced Baez is.

6. demand for discovery and inspection related to polygraphs
Ruled in favor of defense

Baez was not given what he asked for here. He will only be given statements from those who actually were polygraphed and the state put up no argument on this issue at all. Baez will have to conduct his own investigation (or await future discovery). IMO, he did not win this one (though technically it may say he did).

7. Motion to compel: release of records about investigation into Senoia Gonzalez - Ruled in favor of defense

Again, technically, maybe the judge did rule in favor of the defense, but he gave Baez nothing. The state said what had already been turned over and it's not their fault if Baez didn't utilize what he already has available to him. It was also stated, the state doesn't have to do his legwork. At a later time, he may gain more thru discovery, but the state is under no obligation to turn over anything they are still actively investigating.


9. Motion to compel flight manifest Ruled in favor of defense
He'll only get the manifest for the initial flight. Again, he'll have to do his own investigating to get what he asked for from the state.

I probably took exception to other issues but can't remember then all right now.

Good observations of the rulings. I also thought I heard where he changed his doing his own tests to "having a rep there for any tests."

 

[TURBOTHINK]

Exactly! Especially since this was information he would have gotten next week when KC was indicted! So, he gets some info a few days sooner, Big Deal. It's obvious he doesn't have a clue how to even began a defense for his Kill-:bangcough) I mean client!

He most likely will not get it any sooner, because the judge gave the state 10 days to provide it and told them to call him if they ran into problems by that time.

 

[mysteriew]

IMO these were the most important issues.
1. Motion to seal
No ruling yet, will be heard at a future court date

If he wins on this one, we will lose any ability to get info on what is happening.

5. Motion to compel department of children and family records
Denied, Baez has to retile

He will eventually get this one anyway since it most likely relates to the neglect charges. But I do have to wonder if there were any previous investigations either of Casey or Cindy.
8. Motion for allowing defendant to travel to places of interest
No ruling yet, will be heard at a future court date

If Fla gives her this one, I am going to seriously question the purpose of bond/house arrest in Fla. Is it really meant to protect or is it a means of raising funds for the county. I mean what is the purpose of putting her into electronic monitoring if they are going to allow her to take it off whenever she wishes. They have talked about how much monitoring costs the county. So why pay to put it on her if they are going to allow her to take it off when she likes?

So when the next person suspected of killing someone and pays their bail, if they decide they don't want to stay home, will Fla. allow them to get out and run around doing as they please? After all, they will have their bond money.

 

[LCoastMom]

Do You think JB is tired of kc being there for 6 hours a day but doesnt know how to stop it and do you think he is sick of her and thats why he was unprepared today..his heart just isnt in it?

Jees, I hope this isn't the case. If he's tired of having her under foot he just needs to tell her "KC, stay home!" He can even call her cw and say "Hey, I know KC was supposed to come to my office today, but oops change of plans. Forgot I was taking that flower arranging class, you know how those ceu classes are, gotta take'm when you can!"

I think his heart is in it, he's just in over his head.ropeller:

jmho