Wayne Millard: Dellen Millard Charged With Murder In The First Degree #1

[Carli]

Not to mention that in this scenario, we would have three wrongful prosecutions of the same person -- likely one of the worst miscarriages of justice in Canadian legal history.

Three major police forces would have to had to make multiple mistakes, to put it kindly, or be complete morons, to put it less kindly. Two crown prosecutors offices would have had to fail to catch the screw-ups on one of the biggest news stories of 2013.

The Major Case Management System -- designed to prevent exactly this type of mess p -- would be seen to be a complete FAIL.

Oh, and then there's the Attorney General, who agreed to direct indictment, yet another major mistake.

So, in short, the justice system has failed at every single level so far.

Must have been the wig.

Well, when you put it that way - in the "too big to fail" context - there's absolutely no doubt of a conviction in one or more of the murders for one or more of the accused, just as the AG herself publicly proclaimed already. Is innocence before the law just a feel good phrase, after all? If so, why even bother allowing this person the right to face his accusers or the need to convince a jury of peers of his innocence? It's time consuming and expensive and an obviously completely unnecessary sham. Besides, being part of a lynch mob means never having to say you're sorry. IMO. IMHO. etc. But frankly I understand my country less and less. We are devoting millions if not billions of dollars to dropping bombs on presumed enemies on the other side of the world while Medicine Sans Frontieres doctors are already dying of ebola in Africa in an epidemic that the World Health Organization projects will infect 10,000 persons a week by the end of this year. http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/14/world/europe/ebola-outbreak/index.html Here at home, in my neck of the woods, after an impoverished and probably mentally ill recluse shot at a squad card. He was thereafter relentlessly pursued by LE for over a week and then killed in an "altercation" with two officers in a remote mountain shack. http://www.avtimes.net/news/suspect-in-shootout-in-slocan-b-c-dead-rcmp-say-1.1424659 So whether big or small, few or many, I'm not willing to accept that the decisions and determinations of authority figures are infallible. Or as Jefferson allegedly said, "The price of freedom is eternal vigilance." IMO. IMHO. MOO. Thankfully, serious investigative reporters like ABro are always willing to pull back the curtains that may be designed to obscure and strive to find the truth. IMO. IMHO. MOO.

 

[Carli]

As I've mentioned before Carli, I think everyone is going to be very surprised indeed about how the charges for the WM and LB murders came to be laid.

Sounds good. I'll wait here.

Meanwhile, logical fallacies aside and still in the too big to fail league we have the announcement today of the (long overdue) death of a liar whose sole testimony sealed fates in what must surely have been one of the most rigorously and widely investigated events in American jurisprudence.

http://metronews.ca/news/world/1183131/david-greenglass-of-rosenberg-spying-case-dies/

 

[Sillybilly]

It will be up to a jury to try to determine what the truth actually is. Thats my thoughts about it .

In your prior post you said:

I think you are better off sitting in jail for 18 months than trying to talk your way out of a situation where you have a federal body determined to prove you guilty, you would at the very least be hoping the jury comprised of at least one rational thinker

<bbm>

Do you actually think that the only rational thinkers are those who believe in DM's innocence?

 

[Sillybilly]

Based on rational and objective consideration of the only evidence/information we are privy to, there is absolutely nothing to indicate there is some conspiracy by anyone to implicate DM in Tim&#8217;s death, or that someone is lying (when there is zero to substantiate such a generalized accusation against some unknown party). Those who choose to consider innocence based on circuituous and complex scenarios that have no basis in fact/evidence, will not have their opinions validated by reasonable people unless they can provide more than conjecture that conspiracies exist in this case.

So those who hold a rational opinion get accused of having tunnel vision, being redneck, prejudiced, not understanding the accused&#8217;s rights, anything is possible, others just don&#8217;t understand, etc etc. No matter how dispassionately opinions are presented by those who currently believe the accused might be guilty, those who believe in his innocence (regardless of the lack of supporting evidence/information to substantiate) simply won&#8217;t accept that others hold a different point of view, and reasoned discussion or debate is next to impossible.

 

[Juballee]

...Those who choose to consider innocence based on circuituous and complex scenarios that have no basis in fact/evidence, will not have their opinions validated by reasonable people unless they can provide more than conjecture that conspiracies exist in this case.

... No matter how dispassionately opinions are presented by those who currently believe the accused might be guilty, those who believe in his innocence (regardless of the lack of supporting evidence/information to substantiate) simply won&#8217;t accept that others hold a different point of view, and reasoned discussion or debate is next to impossible.

RSBM

Those who choose to consider the possibility of innocence are the ones who should be chosen for a jury, in my opinion. The possible scenario I was asked to provide was not complex or circuitous, and fit with the facts as we know them at this point. It wouldn't take a government conspiracy, just a few mistakes or even a well meaning exaggeration or two, and things could snowball into an innocent person being charged. It was not meant to be validated, it was stated as a possible scenario that was meant to explain the holes some people might see in this case. Which, it honestly seems to me, we are repeated asked to provide, just so that the majority can pounce upon our opinions, trying to pick out faults for entertainment, in my opinion.

There are people here who continuously must defend their open-mindedness with statements to confirm that we are not asserting that we personally believe that he is in fact innocent, but instead we are pleading for the old fashioned notion that people should wait to hear the actual facts before they judge someone guilty. Again, that seems to really upset some applecarts, from what I can tell, which I do not believe is the intention.

And reasoned discussion and debate is never possible when everyone agrees completely and has the same opinions. It is variety that brings different perspectives, without which enlightenment is not possible. All my opinion only.

 

[ArianeEmory]

Just find one other accused murderer on this site with a similarly dedicated group of ... Devil's advocacy? ... Posters, (many of whom only post about DM and only joined the site for this case), and maybe we'll find it easier to quell one's natural curiosity about this phenomenon.

And admittedly you will find a devil's advocacy post here and there. I've made a few myself. But they look like this: "(accused) most likely did it, but I suppose by some crazy stretch it was aliens..."

We just never get any acknowledgement of the likelihood that the facts are what they appear. None of you will say "yeah, the facts do look pretty bad". There is a line that does not get crossed.

 

[Tamarind]

In your prior post you said:

<bbm>

Do you actually think that the only rational thinkers are those who believe in DM's innocence?

I did not say that SillyBilly. I said that IF you were innocent you would be better off sitting in jail for 18 months than speaking to police and then hoping that there was at least one rational thinker. I made no statement about the rational thinkers being the ones who believe in DM's innocence. However I DO believe that a juries most rational thinkers will be those who can actually keep the presumption of innocence so that they can assess all evidence with a fair mind and not a biased mind that has been polluted by media and discrimination, and eventually come to a fair and honest assessment of the charges that they are there to determine are valid or not. As my other post says, it will be up to a jury to decide what the truth is. Thats the whole point of a jury trial, to attempt to get a fair trial by a jury of ones peers.

 

[ArianeEmory]

I would think that the best juror would be a *neutral* one. The justice system needs to serve the victim, too. And I don't mean DM with that word. I mean Timothy Bosma and WM and Laura Babcock. They are all dead. It may be an inconvenience to DM, but they're dead. Tim didn't trip and fall into that incinerator.

 

[MsSherlock]

Honestly, if I was in shock from a close family member's suicide, and also thrust into their position to immediately start running their business, I think that the first thing that I would do would be to lay off the employees, especially if I knew weeks ago that the coffers were running low. To me that just makes sense.

IIRC Juballee, DM was CEO of Millardair. The concept that DM was thrust into a position of running the business 72 hours after WM died doesn't make sense to me- by all accounts, even though according to AS, he wasn't doing a particularly good job, DM was still the "man in charge" at the hangar. This is the precise reason DM's actions following WM's death rings in my gut.
WM had lawyers and accountants. WM dies late Thursday night-the lawyers and accountants are notified on Friday. WM's financial affairs would have been complex and it baffles me to think that WM's lawyers and accountants would have been in such a position to suggest the closing of a company and laying off newly hired employees along with contracted consultants a business day after WM's death. At that point there wouldn't even have been a death certificate!!!! I look forward to seeing how this plays out in the murder trial for the death of WM. MOO

 

[Tamarind]

Just find one other accused murderer on this site with a similarly dedicated group of ... Devil's advocacy? ... Posters, (many of whom only post about DM and only joined the site for this case), and maybe we'll find it easier to quell one's natural curiosity about this phenomenon.

And admittedly you will find a devil's advocacy post here and there. I've made a few myself. But they look like this: "(accused) most likely did it, but I suppose by some crazy stretch it was aliens..."

We just never get any acknowledgement of the likelihood that the facts are what they appear. None of you will say "yeah, the facts do look pretty bad". There is a line that does not get crossed.

I think you will find that most people join this site because a 'local disappearance' had grabbed their attention. I know thats the case for myself. I do not feel I have to defend myself about why I first came across this site or why I choose to post about TB case. I am actually interested in a lot of local cases and not all are disappearances or murders, so are not covered on this site.

For the record, I don't see any acknowledgements of the likelihood that the 'facts' are either not what they appear or that there are facts that have yet to be revealed (at trial). None of those who are convinced of DM's guilt will say " yeah you have a point" or "yeah I can see that there is something not quite adding up, but I still have the opinion that he's guilty" It works either way. I have seen posts of those who presume innocence where they have agreed that they can see how you have formed an opinion even though they do not agree with you, sadly I do not see the same non-confrontational approach from the hang him high team. It would be easier to debate if there was a little more diplomacy, rather than the competitive approach but thats just my opinion.

 

[Juballee]

I would think that the best juror would be a *neutral* one. The justice system needs to serve the victim, too. And I don't mean DM with that word. I mean Timothy Bosma and WM and Laura Babcock. They are all dead. It may be an inconvenience to DM, but they're dead. Tim didn't trip and fall into that incinerator.

One needs to consider the possibility that the accused may be innocent in order to be considered neutral, just as they must be able to consider the possibility that the suspect is guilty. Having all of one preconceived notion or the other is prejudiced, and makes one unfit to judge fairly, in my opinion.

And I bet these deaths are more inconvenient for more people than just DM, there are a lot of victims involved here, like ripples in a pond. I think that we should give our support to all of them, and loose a little of the vehemence, perhaps, it just seems like so much pitchfork rattling to me. But that is just my opinion only.

 

[swedie]

The difference with this case, of course, is that DM is the only accused murderer I've ever seen on WS who has a few dedicated posters who a) feel that the abundance of evidence actually *exonerates* him and b) are willing to come up with extraordinarily complicated scenarios in his defense. You just don't see it for other cases, which of course has, for over a year now, left some of us wondering what is so special about DM. I'm not sure you guys realize how much it sticks out in the sea of other murder cases.

And I will say this for as long as the 'immensely complex framing' scenarios get lobbed out.

Respectfully AE you must not have followed Victoria Stafford's case. MR had his few dedicated followers. Comparatively there wasn't as much information/evidence released from LE and MSM in that case as there has been in TB's case. Look where that is now. And rightfully so. JMHO.

 

[Juballee]

IIRC Juballee, DM was CEO of Millardair. The concept that DM was thrust into a position of running the business 72 hours after WM died doesn't make sense to me- by all accounts, even though according to AS, he wasn't doing a particularly good job, DM was still the "man in charge" at the hangar. This is the precise reason DM's actions following WM's death rings in my gut.
WM had lawyers and accountants. WM dies late Thursday night-the lawyers and accountants are notified on Friday. WM's financial affairs would have been complex and it baffles me to think that WM's lawyers and accountants would have been in such a position to suggest the closing of a company and laying off newly hired employees along with contracted consultants a business day after WM's death. At that point there wouldn't even have been a death certificate!!!! I look forward to seeing how this plays out in the murder trial for the death of WM. MOO

What rings in one person's gut can seem perfectly normal to others. I still don't see anything unusual about laying off employees when you are uncertain about the future of a company. Layoffs are meant to be temporary, after all, it's not like he instantly fired everyone. It's possible that if he hadn't laid off the employees right away, that some would have found that suspicious after his meeting with AS.

There are many reasons why he might have laid off the workers, we don't even know whose idea it was, or what the actual decision was based on, so it seems moot to try to judge whether it is some sort of sign of guilt or innocence at this point, in my opinion.

 

[swedie]

Grief can be overwhelming, I can understand why someone does not want to go on and why they would feel inadequate at running a company in that state. I don't see the complexities in such a plan as you feel may have occurred. But I do see how someone forms such an opinion if going solely by their own interpretation. This is probably why they need 12 people for a jury .

I feel certain the company could have been ran by competent employees until the owner got his feet back on the ground. Had DM feel ill for an extended period of time, does one suggest dissolving a business? Possibly if it's chronic or terminal. A temporary set back, I think not. I tend to agree with MsSherlock; who makes those kinds of huge decisions while in the early days of mourning? But that's JMO.

 

[Tamarind]

I feel certain the company could have been ran by competent employees until the owner got his feet back on the ground. Had DM feel ill for an extended period of time, does one suggest dissolving a business? Possibly if it's chronic or terminal. A temporary set back, I think not. I tend to agree with MsSherlock; who makes those kinds of huge decisions while in the early days of mourning? But that's JMO.

Yes I agree maybe it could have been ran by competent employees. But we don't know that there were any do we.We have no idea why WM may have killed himself ( assuming that the original reason for death is the same unless proven otherwise), maybe the declining state of the business was behind it, or maybe he has discussed this with DM and DM made that call at a very stressful and grief stricken time for him. I suspect many major decisions have been made at the most overwhelmingly stressful times of ones life., but thats my opinion.

 

[Carli]

Just find one other accused murderer on this site with a similarly dedicated group of ... Devil's advocacy? ... Posters, (many of whom only post about DM and only joined the site for this case), and maybe we'll find it easier to quell one's natural curiosity about this phenomenon.

And admittedly you will find a devil's advocacy post here and there. I've made a few myself. But they look like this: "(accused) most likely did it, but I suppose by some crazy stretch it was aliens..."

We just never get any acknowledgement of the likelihood that the facts are what they appear. None of you will say "yeah, the facts do look pretty bad". There is a line that does not get crossed.

Well, fact of the matter is, and apologies in advance to all the axe murderers out there, I couldn't give a tinker's damn about the fate or the criminal motivations of all the drunkards, mentally disturbed, jilted lovers, gangsters, or the assortment of trailer trash "known to the police" that usually plugs the criminal court system, beyond a profound hope they'll be out of commission for as long as possible, at least in my neighborhood. Oh dear. Does that sound unkind? But I'm very interested in this case. My so called devil's advocacy which, I now understand, is apparently how one refers to anyone who pleads for others to await trial before condemning, stems from my interest in Canada's aviation history, my interest in religious cultism and the fact that many, many years ago, I lived in Ancaster. If all that makes me a Devil's Advocate then, so be it, I guess. I for one, think there's every possibility that the facts as presented and contested in court will turn out to be exactly as they appear and the accused is 100 percent guilty. I may be wrong but I frankly think everyone who has bothered to take the time to try to stick up for the rights of these accused feels the same in that regard. IMO. IMHO. MOO. etc.

 

[Carli]

IIRC Juballee, DM was CEO of Millardair. The concept that DM was thrust into a position of running the business 72 hours after WM died doesn't make sense to me- by all accounts, even though according to AS, he wasn't doing a particularly good job, DM was still the "man in charge" at the hangar. This is the precise reason DM's actions following WM's death rings in my gut.
WM had lawyers and accountants. WM dies late Thursday night-the lawyers and accountants are notified on Friday. WM's financial affairs would have been complex and it baffles me to think that WM's lawyers and accountants would have been in such a position to suggest the closing of a company and laying off newly hired employees along with contracted consultants a business day after WM's death. At that point there wouldn't even have been a death certificate!!!! I look forward to seeing how this plays out in the murder trial for the death of WM. MOO

I hear what you're saying MsSherlock, but it doesn't take a specialist to know that one's company is is deep doo doo when there have been no customers in months and no future prospects of same. This had been confirmed only weeks earlier by AS the Texan. Again, turn out the lights and send the idle staff home in order to gain some breathing space and figure out what to do next. As I mentioned earlier, if the money to pay for all this was actually quietly coming out of WM's personal bank account as is sometimes the case in closely held family businesses, DM couldn't have paid the bills anyway. Just my opinion, of course. I haven't the slightest idea. Just trying to recall a similar circumstance (minus the murder part, of course) in the possibility that this may have been the case with young Millard. IMO. IMHO. MOO. etc.

As for handing things over to a competent employee, uhm, like who? According to their LinkedIns, these guys were mostly airplane maintenance and mechanics specialists. What do they know about running businesses? Maybe that guy from Brantford? He's been around for awhile. But would you really hand over the running of a huge enterprise that's swiftly sliding down the slippery slope into massive debts to that chap to correct? Maybe call in the cute MillardAir receptionist from the way back times who used to rent out the Dixon Rd premises for photo shoots and movies, but damn, she's a successful model now. Again. For the time being, stop the hemorrhage. Send everybody home and lock the door. I don't see how any of this relates to the murder investigations but, frankly, I think it was a pretty shrewd decision at the time. IMO. MOO. IMHO. etc.

Of course there is also the possibility, is there not, that it was WM's decision; that he carried out all the necessary steps to close down his company and then committed suicide? Just sayin'. We don't know what we don't know. IMO. IMHO. MOO. etc.

 

[MsSherlock]

What rings in one person's gut can seem perfectly normal to others. I still don't see anything unusual about laying off employees when you are uncertain about the future of a company. Layoffs are meant to be temporary, after all, it's not like he instantly fired everyone. It's possible that if he hadn't laid off the employees right away, that some would have found that suspicious after his meeting with AS.

There are many reasons why he might have laid off the workers, we don't even know whose s it was, or what the actual decision was based on, so it seems moot to try to judge whether it is some sort of sign of guilt or innocence at this point, in my opinion.

The fact is that
on Dec. 4th/12 the Airport Manager reported that the recently licensed(Nov-12) Millardair MRO had closed on December 3rd/12. The lay off was as a result of the company closing. IMHO, and only MHO, this is as strange as a widow listing and selling the matrimonial home between the time her husband died and his funeral because she was worried about how she was going to pay the bills. Either DM is wealthy...or he's not. If he was wealthy, or at least wealthy enough to buy Toronto condo's on spec, it's hard to imagine that he wouldn't simply tell everyone not to come in for a week or two until he could meet with lawyers and accountants and get a full grasp on what was in front of him.
IMHO, the plan was hatched when he met with AS two weeks earlier. WM and his lofty plans didn't fit in with DM's idea of what his perfect rich life looked like. IMO, DM started to plan WM's murder and AS's firing shortly after his meeting with AS...killing two "authority" birds with one stone. IMO, the whole thing was planned and executed by DM. It'll be interesting to find out when DM purchased his gun. MOO

 

[swedie]

Why would anyone who wanted to set DM up go through the hassle of going to the hangar or wherever the trailer was kept, gaining entry, transport TB's truck in DM's trailer, leaving it parked in MB's driveway? Wouldn't it be simpler to leave TB's truck along with his body on DM's property also? Why risk getting caught during transition when everyone was on high alert searching for a missing man and his truck the day of May 7th? Wouldn't it have been easier to set TB's truck ablaze with TB's body still in it, in the middle of DM's farmland property? They wanted to murder someone but wanted the truck as a bonus IMO. Why go through all the trouble of ordering an incinerator, having it show (and questioned) in the financial records of MA, having it shipped to the farmland property, and all so conveniently within days after a female acquaintance goes missing? There are too many indications to show the accused tried to cover their own tracks, hide evidence. The Etobicoke business guy who they went on a test drive with May 6th, noticed DM had multiply tattoos. IIRC some of those tattoos DM has, he's had for a few years. There is no way in the world someone could fake an aged, worn and weathered tattoo with a 'Sharpie' as at least one member has suggested. It was during daylight hours that the business owner went out on the test drive and took note of those tattoos and I have to give him some credit that he would be able to recognize a fake 'Sharpie' to legit tattoo. It's likely he had a description of at least one more tattoo which wasn't released to the public. As we know, LE like to release only bits of evidence and this may have been one of those tips they withheld and will use during trial when they call upon their witnesses. As far as mistaken identity, here's hoping there is video evidence from Etobicoke, Brantford, DM's, MS's, TB's and MB's residential area to back up witness testimony. MOO.

The male had several tattoos on his arms.

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2013/05/10/tim-bosma-missing-persons_n_3254021.html

 

[Snoofo]

The fact is that
on Dec. 4th/12 the Airport Manager reported that the recently licensed(Nov-12) Millardair MRO had closed on December 3rd/12. The lay off was as a result of the company closing. IMHO, and only MHO, this is as strange as a widow listing and selling the matrimonial home between the time her husband died and his funeral because she was worried about how she was going to pay the bills. Either DM is wealthy...or he's not. If he was wealthy, or at least wealthy enough to buy Toronto condo's on spec, it's hard to imagine that he wouldn't simply tell everyone not to come in for a week or two until he could meet with lawyers and accountants and get a full grasp on what was in front of him.
IMHO, the plan was hatched when he met with AS two weeks earlier. WM and his lofty plans didn't fit in with DM's idea of what his perfect rich life looked like. IMO, DM started to plan WM's murder and AS's firing shortly after his meeting with AS...killing two "authority" birds with one stone. IMO, the whole thing was planned and executed by DM. It'll be interesting to find out when DM purchased his gun. MOO

I have to disagree Ms. S. Without counsel, yes this would seem odd. So unless you think it's impossible DM got to his lawyers the next day then I don't appreciate the disbelief in the likelihood of these actions being so swift. I think during the MRO process the Millards would have had their corporate counsel on speed dial - very regular contact. I also think a company like that was using some pretty good lawyers (IIRC someone had dug up some corporate filing and it was a big Bay Street firm doing the work). Big Bay Street lawyers are equipped to give advice as to what a company must do NOW, immediately, in a crisis. I would also suppose their counsel was already aware of the financial situation the company was in (I imagine the same firm would have processed all their financing) and therefore, while Wayne's death may have come as a surprise, the status of the business may not have been a surprise. I don't think people pay the big bucks so their lawyer can sit and worry. If DM approached the day after W dies with "I can't do this myself and we're running out of money", any good corporate lawyer worth his pay would be able to give an immediate to-do list, whether in anticipation of a dissolution or a temporary cost-saving change. Moo.

Remember at this point, and for a while, MA had only been paying out, with no income. If they are not getting the accounts they were promised would come, and things look bleak, an immediate course of action including layoffs would be wise. Moo.

If the accounts WM was certain he would get no longer looked possible, the suicide shouldn't be dismissed now that there is a charge for murder. I think WM was an intense and emotional dude. Moo.