Wayne Millard: Dellen Millard Charged With Murder In The First Degree #1

[Alethea Dice]

Just reading back through some old MSM articles, looking for the one where CM said to the effect that DM wasn't that interested in the business and they hoped that would change. Haven't found that yet, but re-reading does refresh some other things:

Here's one:

A former flying teacher has told reporters that as a boy he was "sweet and smart," and she expected he would end up working for an airline someday.

That did not happen. In 2005, a year before his death, Millard's grandfather chatted with a journalist who asked him what was going to happen with the succession at the family business, Millardair.

"My grandson (Dellen) is not overly interested in the business but maybe that will change," Carl Millard said.

http://www.thespec.com/news-story/2876832-whoever-killed-bosma-is-abusive-exploitive-and-a-risk-taker-profiler/

Resentful, angry ... Was this directed at WM before or after he died? A responsibility he didn't want doesn't jive with suggestions that he closed the business due to business savvy and sound financial reasoning. IMO, he was simply peed off and didnt' want anything to do with responsibility, whether before or after WM's death.

I take it as it's written as well - after WM's death. I think anger and resentment is pretty common in the early stages of grief, especially when one is still quite young and is left with a lot of responsibility. If he wasn't ready for it and it wasn't making any money yet, it's perfectly understandable for him to want to close it.

JMO

 

[swedie]

^^^^
Usually children with a known and treatable condition are treated, not simply tolerated.

BBM - Good choice of word Snoofo...usually. There is much controversy surrounding drugs used to treat ADD/ADHD. Even with treatments, the treatments do not make the children "normal" per say; maybe just more tolerable to the persons themselves or those who deal with them.

Tamarind ADD/ADHD is considered a disability FYI. Are you saying a child who has ADD/ADHD could not be a sweet child, intolerable or not loved by their parents? I don't think pictures would be a telltale sign do you? Don't many families look loving and happy in pictures especially when they are posing for them? DM's parents may have viewed their only son as having a disability and they believed DM needed more of their support, pampering, attention in many aspects of life then the average child = compensating or overcompensating. Maybe his failures, reckless/careless behaviours, lack of motivation/ambition/interest, generosity and niceness were traits of his disability. All JMO.

 

[Tamarind]

BBM - Good choice of word Snoofo...usually. There is much controversy surrounding drugs used to treat ADD/ADHD. Even with treatments, the treatments do not make the children "normal" per say; maybe just more tolerable to the persons themselves or those who deal with them.

Yes thats if a child has such a problem, as far as I can tell there is and has been no mention of DM being so afflicted All JMO. HTH

Tamarind ADD/ADHD is considered a disability FYI. Are you saying a child who has ADD/ADHD could not be a sweet child, intolerable or not loved by their parents? I don't think pictures would be a telltale sign do you? Don't many families look loving and happy in pictures especially when they are posing for them? DM's parents may have viewed their only son as having a disability and they believed DM needed more of their support, pampering, attention in many aspects of life then the average child = compensating or overcompensating. Maybe his failures, reckless/careless behaviours, lack of motivation/ambition/interest, generosity and niceness were traits of his disability. All JMO.

I haven't witnessed any reckless or careless behaviours. I don't see any lack of motivation either. I see that he may not have been too interested in the business, but he did approach AS about not coming through with business for his father/MillardAir. Seems he was quite ambitious in that he was into real estate and possibly a helicopter company so i don't see any failures as you appear to JMO

Yes I am aware of what ADD/ADHD is considered, thank you Swedie. I don't believe I said anything at all about any child not being lovable or loved. Could you point to where you think you saw that in my post? TIA

Yes actually pictures can and do often tell a story IMO, and like I said I see no reference or suggestion that DM was disabled in any way, if by some chance I have missed this information, could you supply a link please? TIA

 

[Carli]

OT ... TESTING I seem to be having a problem posting to the forum. TESTING.

 

[Carli]

Huh. Well, that's odd. The previous entry seemed to register. Maybe I just don't have this computer configured properly yet. Sorry. MOO. IMHO.

 

[robynhood]

Carli the thread was CLOSED for a bit...that may be why you had problems posting........I must comment on Dellen millard...I do see a lack of responsibility for taking care of Millard new hangar...and running a chop shop and all his activities IMO show a lack of responsibility...I agree maybe it was not his "THING" that he wanted to do...But running a chop shop STealing cars , motorcycles and having supposively wild rave parties certainly does not show a responsible 27 year old....and making real estate deals for fast cash that failed as it was reporting that he was not making $....links here were reported ( maybe someone can POST that again) ...I am a specialist in special education and ADD or ADHD in my professional opinion is not the answer But I do believe there were deep problems BUt than again I agree thro the trial we shall all get a deeper opinion on Dellen Millard..IMO the trial in the fall of 2015 could answer many question we are searching for...sincerely hope so ...JMHO something was deeply wrong IF HE DID COMMIT all of this....and I do,believe his parents tried but IMHO he was OUT OF CONTROL....again JMHO robynhood...:thinking:

 

[Tamarind]

Carli the thread was CLOSED for a bit...that may be why you had problems posting........I must comment on Dellen millard...I do see a lack of responsibility for taking care of Millard new hangar...and running a chop shop and all his activities IMO show a lack of responsibility...I agree maybe it was not his "THING" that he wanted to do...But running a chop shop STealing cars , motorcycles and having supposively wild rave parties certainly does not show a responsible 27 year old....and making real estate deals for fast cash that failed as it was reporting that he was not making $....links here were reported ( maybe someone can POST that again) ...I am a specialist in special education and ADD or ADHD in my professional opinion is not the answer But I do believe there were deep problems BUt than again I agree thro the trial we shall all get a deeper opinion on Dellen Millard..IMO the trial in the fall of 2015 could answer many question we are searching for...sincerely hope so ...JMHO something was deeply wrong IF HE DID COMMIT all of this....and I do,believe his parents tried but IMHO he was OUT OF CONTROL....again JMHO robynhood...:thinking:

Respectfully, it would only be your professional opinion about DM IF in fact he was a special needs child/adult who suffered from something you claim to be a specialist in , right? You wouldn't be able to give an opinion if the individual was without disability correct? IF and that is an IF he committed these crimes then yes something is wrong, but IMO something is much more wrong with not accepting, at least prior to a trial, that he may be innocent. JMO

How did he not take care of the hangar? It looked intact to me from the pics, no holes in the walls, graffiti or unswept floors, so what do you mean by that if I may ask? The chop shop allegation seem to have died a death, since it was made known that there were less than ten cars and maybe even just Harley parts, which from what I can tell the arrival of which is not yet explained with any degree of credibility. IMO

Real Estate deals are not exactly fast cash IMO, people invest in property with a hope to make a little profit, the same as putting money into a bank to make interest. (These days banks don't really give too much away so real estate may be or at least appear to be a better option JMO)

I also believe there are some deep problems but not necessarily with DM as much as with the case as a whole. again JMO . I agree that the trial may shed some light on what for me at least is a very odd case at best. I see no out of control behavioral evidence at this point that is based on facts rather than allegation. JMO

 

[Tamarind]

Please can I ask a mod what the little yellow auto save pop up is for? It doesn't appear to save our writing as some posts seem to not be retrievable and if lost during writing cant be retrieved in any way. I was wondering what the purpose of the auto save is if we cant get back what is being written. Sorry to have to ask but I was typing and lost a post that I could not get back.So just wondering. Thank you

 

[SnooperDuper]

“Often I get a case it looks overwhelming strong at the beginning, not saying this is,” Paradkar said. “At the end of the day, we have to wait for the full information to come out to really see the full story.”

http://www.torontosun.com/2013/05/15/tim-bosma-murder-suspect-dellen-millard-in-hamilton-court

While Mr. Millard maintains his innocence, Mr. Paradkar said his client is refusing to speak with police to avoid inadvertently implicating himself.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...ma-murder-wrapped-in-mystery/article11935778/

Direct indictments are very rare, are only granted in the most serious and complicated cases and generally indicate the Crown believes it has a strong likelihood of conviction.

http://www.cambridgetimes.ca/news-s...h-for-tim-bosma-case-to-go-straight-to-trial/

Looked like they had a strong case against the accused at the beginning, turns out it's still a strong case against the accused at the end of the day

 

[bessie]

Please can I ask a mod what the little yellow auto save pop up is for? It doesn't appear to save our writing as some posts seem to not be retrievable and if lost during writing cant be retrieved in any way. I was wondering what the purpose of the auto save is if we cant get back what is being written. Sorry to have to ask but I was typing and lost a post that I could not get back.So just wondering. Thank you

Auto save copies your unpublished post to the clipboard. So, if posting fails for some reason, you can try again and "paste" the post into the post editor.

 

[SnooperDuper]

It is pretty odd that DM was the son and grandson of professional pilots and a flight attendant who could fly...but never succeeded in life himself as a professional pilot.

No discipline? Can't pass a drug test? Why was DM the only one in the family that wasn't able to make a career out of his talents?

 

[Alethea Dice]

Respectfully, it would only be your professional opinion about DM IF in fact he was a special needs child/adult who suffered from something you claim to be a specialist in , right? You wouldn't be able to give an opinion if the individual was without disability correct? IF and that is an IF he committed these crimes then yes something is wrong, but IMO something is much more wrong with not accepting, at least prior to a trial, that he may be innocent. JMO

How did he not take care of the hangar? It looked intact to me from the pics, no holes in the walls, graffiti or unswept floors, so what do you mean by that if I may ask? The chop shop allegation seem to have died a death, since it was made known that there were less than ten cars and maybe even just Harley parts, which from what I can tell the arrival of which is not yet explained with any degree of credibility. IMO

Real Estate deals are not exactly fast cash IMO, people invest in property with a hope to make a little profit, the same as putting money into a bank to make interest. (These days banks don't really give too much away so real estate may be or at least appear to be a better option JMO)

I also believe there are some deep problems but not necessarily with DM as much as with the case as a whole. again JMO . I agree that the trial may shed some light on what for me at least is a very odd case at best. I see no out of control behavioral evidence at this point that is based on facts rather than allegation. JMO

Just to add to this, he also met with the airport manager after he closed the MRO to discuss future plans for the hangar, such as a new tenant or a different commercial business.

http://kitchener.ctvnews.ca/activity-at-millard-air-hangar-not-what-airport-boss-expected-1.1302652

 

[Alethea Dice]

It is pretty odd that DM was the son and grandson of professional pilots and a flight attendant who could fly...but never succeeded in life himself as a professional pilot.

No discipline? Can't pass a drug test? Why was DM the only one in the family that wasn't able to make a career out of his talents?

Can't pass a drug test? Where is that coming from? Can you please provide a link?

Why is it odd if a son doesn't have the same interest as his father or grandfather? It's been posted many times that his interest was in helicopters. So you think just because the father and grandfather flew planes, that the son should also fly planes? According to CM, the family knew in 2005 that he wasn't interested in the business. And according to WM, he told them when he was 21 that he wanted to start a helicopter business.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/who-is-dellen-millard-charged-in-tim-bosma-killing-2-others-1.2605821

It seems more odd to me that WM would later start an MRO for him if he already knew that he had no interest in that part of the business.

JMO

 

[SnooperDuper]

Just to add to this, he also met with the airport manager after he closed the MRO to discuss future plans for the hangar, such as a new tenant or a different commercial business.

http://kitchener.ctvnews.ca/activity-at-millard-air-hangar-not-what-airport-boss-expected-1.1302652

Well he would be fored to do that, wouldn't he, to protect his interest in the hangar? Could he have violated the terms of the lease by closing the MRO and having no current business endeavor ongoing at the site? Could he have lost funding promised at some level and the hangar on account of this?

I don't think that shows initiative (an interest in going ahead and succeeding with something) but rather a forced hand (the Region would force him to get something going on out there to satisfy the terms of the lease, no? The bank would be concerned that there was no business and no means to back its money?)

 

[SnooperDuper]

Can't pass a drug test? Where is that coming from? Can you please provide a link?

Why is it odd if a son doesn't have the same interest as his father or grandfather? It's been posted many times that his interest was in helicopters. So you think just because the father and grandfather flew planes, that the son should also fly planes? According to CM, the family knew in 2005 that he wasn't interested in the business. And according to WM, he told them when he was 21 that he wanted to start a helicopter business.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/who-is-dellen-millard-charged-in-tim-bosma-killing-2-others-1.2605821

It seems more odd to me that WM would later start an MRO for him if he already knew that he had no interest in that part of the business.

JMO

27, born with a silver spoon in his mouth but yet no steady job and no degree, no helicopter business and no interest in pursuing the MRO. What happened?

 

[Tamarind]

27, born with a silver spoon in his mouth but yet no steady job and no degree, no helicopter business and no interest in pursuing the MRO. What happened?

Being born rich somehow stereotypes someone into a certain job or expectation? The MRO could not be pursued, as it apparently dried up in the hands of some guy called in to bring in business !

Why did he HAVE to start a helicopter company? Maybe he realized that he simply enjoyed flying them and that just as with the MRO business would have been as fruitless as the MRO, especially as competition was no longer friendly! As for no degree, I would like to see how that conclusion was reached without any knowledge of all of his participations JMO

 

[Tamarind]

Well he would be fored to do that, wouldn't he, to protect his interest in the hangar? Could he have violated the terms of the lease by closing the MRO and having no current business endeavor ongoing at the site? Could he have lost funding promised at some level and the hangar on account of this?

I don't think that shows initiative (an interest in going ahead and succeeding with something) but rather a forced hand (the Region would force him to get something going on out there to satisfy the terms of the lease, no? The bank would be concerned that there was no business and no means to back its money?)

Where is there any evidence that is the case? TIA

I understand you say 'could', but coulda shoulda woulda is not really something I can base facts on. KWIM

 

[Tamarind]

It is pretty odd that DM was the son and grandson of professional pilots and a flight attendant who could fly...but never succeeded in life himself as a professional pilot.

No discipline? Can't pass a drug test? Why was DM the only one in the family that wasn't able to make a career out of his talents?

Well lets look at a few facts, WM did not start any career, did he? I thought his father was the mastermind behind MillardAir, n'est-ce pas?

Yes WM became a pilot thats true but his heart was apparently in other areas such as wildlife and such.

Didn't DM become proficient in flying at 14 years old? Quite the fait accompli. That takes some discipline I would imagine.
As someone else has already said, do you have info on the alleged failed drugs test or was that merely speculation? TIA

 

[Tamarind]

http://www.torontosun.com/2013/05/15/tim-bosma-murder-suspect-dellen-millard-in-hamilton-court.http://www.cambridgetimes.ca/news-s...h-for-tim-bosma-case-to-go-straight-to-trial/

Looked like they had a strong case against the accused at the beginning, turns out it's still a strong case against the accused at the end of the day

There is a good video that you may like on you tube, not sure it can be posted here, but it points out that lawyers and high court judges advise everyone NOT to talk to police. If there are no witnesses to something and then you tell a police officer the truth, that you are not involved, that same police officer now becomes a witness. Should this new witness who was not even present at any murder and only witnessed you saying you were not involved, say that the accused told him he was there (when in fact you weren't) who do you think they , the crown,will believe??? Yes of course...the COP. Thats why you never say anything, by speaking you bring in a witness who can and will use everything you say, and dont say, against you, once you have sat down with them in a closed room who is there to say otherwise?IMO My apologies if you already knew this, its hard to know whether we are conversing with those 'in the know' or not here. But it is a good video if you are interested. Its called Never Talk To Police.
JMO

 

[matou]

Even if DM doesn't talk to police, the case against him appears to be very strong. No prelim, straight to trial, multiple charges magically appearing appear after Big Iisho gets arrested for selling a gun that killed Wayne Millard.