Wayne Millard: Dellen Millard Charged With Murder In The First Degree #1

[SnooperDuper]

Yes, I see that. Interesting. Yet surely it's implied, given that the Family Law legislation being cited primarily deals with issues of child custody and support. Surely it's not the intention of the courts to require child maintenance support payments, for instance into the adult and even married lives of divorced parents "children". Nationally, the CRA won't allow parents to claim child expenses for able bodied kids over the age of 18 unless they were being supported full time at universities. Anyway, sorry to drift OT here. Then why WAS it that LB's parents have been and apparently still remain with almost no information into the investigation of their daughter's alleged murder or even confirmation about the location of their "child"s body?

What gets me is that in terms of inheritance, or medical decision making authority, a single woman's parents are always her parents and also her closest kin. Are you telling me that a single woman over the age of 25/past university in fact has no next of kin? That the government is the heir and next-of-kin to any single adult female?

 

[SnooperDuper]

Yes, I see that. Interesting. Yet surely it's implied, given that the Family Law legislation being cited primarily deals with issues of child custody and support. Surely it's not the intention of the courts to require child maintenance support payments, for instance into the adult and even married lives of divorced parents "children". Nationally, the CRA won't allow parents to claim child expenses for able bodied kids over the age of 18 unless they were being supported full time at universities. Anyway, sorry to drift OT here. Then why WAS it that LB's parents have been and apparently still remain with almost no information into the investigation of their daughter's alleged murder or even confirmation about the location of their "child"s body?

OK, still looking for applicable definitions

Here's Duchaime

http://www.duhaime.org/LegalDictionary/C/Child.aspx

From your link:

"Both in common parlance and as a legal concept the term child has two primary meanings. One refers to chronological age and is the converse of the term adult; the other refers to lineage and is the reciprocal of the term parent. A child in the first sense was defined at common law as a person under the age of fourteen. This definition may be modified by statutory provision.... No statutory modification, however, fixes an age higher than the age of majority which, in Ontario, pursuant to the Age of Majority and Accountability Act, R.S.O. 1980 ... is 18 years. A child in the second sense was defined at common law as the legitimate offspring of a parent, but in most jurisdictions this definition has been amended by statute to constitute all offspring, whether legitimate or not, as the children of their natural or adoptive parents ...."

 

[Carli]

Well you know what they say about victims of crime. They're heroes. TB is a hero. LB is a hero.

And what, exactly, is DM?

A person innocent in law who has been charged with three counts of first degree murder.

I've never heard your hero's phrase. It might be true in some cases. I guess "they" extend more tolerance to the assortment of mafioso, motorcycle and other gangland and drug related murder victims than I might be willing to provide. The only heros I know who are worthy of the accolade are all under 5 years old and are facing another Christmas in hospital.

 

[SnooperDuper]

A person innocent in law who has been charged with three counts of first degree murder.

I've never heard your hero's phrase. It might be true in some cases. The only hero's I know who are worthy of the accolade are all under 5 years old and are facing another Christmas in hospital.

...who faces 2 direct indictments. Don't forget that part.

Aren't INNOCENT VICTIM and HERO synonymous in our culture? TB and LB are heroes.

Canada Honors Shooting Victim, Hero

http://www.wsj.com/articles/photos-canadian-parliament-shootings-1414000486

Man killed in Alta. village 'a hero,' father says

http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2014/10/04/21986836.html

Drowning victim called a hero

http://www.cbc.ca/player/News/Canada/Ottawa/ID/2497285210/

Moncton shooting: Family of fallen officer says he ‘died a hero’

http://globalnews.ca/news/1378018/moncton-shooting-identities-of-fallen-rcmp-officers-released/

Remembering a hero and victim

http://www.rcinet.ca/en/2013/05/17/remembering-a-hero-and-victim/

 

[Carli]

From your link:

Gosh. Whatever. Have it your way. Children cannot become adults. Fine.

 

[SnooperDuper]

Gosh. Whatever. Have it your way. Children cannot become adults. Fine.

It would be horrible if all of unwed persons' estates went to the state, rather than their parents, if they died after the age of majority but before marriage, now wouldn't it?...especially now that the institution of marriage is on the way out. The state could scoop the estates of anyone who dared choose not to marry! How crazy is that!

ETA: even if you think LB's parents are not her parents, Carli, for whatever reason, they are still her next of kin, and as such are victims of the crime of her murder and have rights to know how that came to be and how that will be redressed.

 

[Tamarind]

...who faces 2 direct indictments. Don't forget that part.

Aren't INNOCENT VICTIM and HERO synonymous in our culture? TB and LB are heroes.

Canada Honors Shooting Victim, Hero

http://www.wsj.com/articles/photos-canadian-parliament-shootings-1414000486

Man killed in Alta. village 'a hero,' father says

http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2014/10/04/21986836.html

Drowning victim called a hero

http://www.cbc.ca/player/News/Canada/Ottawa/ID/2497285210/

Moncton shooting: Family of fallen officer says he ‘died a hero’

http://globalnews.ca/news/1378018/moncton-shooting-identities-of-fallen-rcmp-officers-released/

Remembering a hero and victim

http://www.rcinet.ca/en/2013/05/17/remembering-a-hero-and-victim/

The word hero can mean whatever you want it to mean. My cat is a hero for keeping me free of mice. Guide dogs for the blind are heros too. I just think the word hero is over rated and not something I plan to dissect on a forum JMO

 

[Tamarind]

It would be horrible if all of unwed persons' estates went to the state, rather than their parents, if they died after the age of majority but before marriage, now wouldn't it?...especially now that the institution of marriage is on the way out. The state could scoop the estates of anyone who dared choose not to marry! How crazy is that!

They scoop practically everything else. Marriage is not on the way out from what I can see.

ETA: even if you think LB's parents are not her parents, Carli, for whatever reason, they are still her next of kin, and as such are victims of the crime of her murder and have rights to know how that came to be and how that will be redressed.

Seems like a twist on Carli's words, can you link to where she said they were not her parents? She has been trying unsuccessfully although clearly to prove their worth as her parents for pages. I would like to ask why it appears that any valid points appear to be sabotaged, it could be coincidence as I am sure no-one would deliberately want to do that !

 

[Carli]

Why relate MSM (rather embarrasingly derivative ad somewhat inane) catch phrases? But, if you must, here's some more heros for you. Right?

http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/sunnews/canada/archives/2013/12/20131230-173258.html

The following murdered "heros" are referenced in this one article, mostly associated with Toronto/Hamilton Ndrangheta

Nick Rizzto, son of Canadian mob boss Vito Rizzuto
Agostino Contrera
Paolo Renda
Salvatore Calautti
Joe DiMaulo
Roger Valiquette Jr
Moreno Gallo
JuanRamon Fernandez
Fernando Pimental
Vincenzo Figlmeni

Definitely not heros in my book although they very well may have left grieving family and friends behind.

 

[Tamarind]

Yeah, just remember:

TB = HERO
LB = HERO
DM = Criminal
MS = Criminal
CN = Criminal
etc.

Sorry but I don't respond to brainwashing. Thank you for your opinion. I will reserve my judgement until after a trial. TIA HTH

 

[SnooperDuper]

Sorry but I don't respond to brainwashing. Thank you for your opinion. I will reserve judgement until after a trial. TIA HTH

DM, MS and CN all have been charged criminally so they are criminals - and that is a fact right now, no waiting required.

 

[Tamarind]

Why relate MSM (rather embarrasingly derivative ad somewhat inance) catch phrases? But, if you must, here's some more heros for you. Right?

http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/sunnews/canada/archives/2013/12/20131230-173258.html

The following murdered "heros" are referenced in this one article, mostly associated with Toronto/Hamilton Ndrangheta

Nick Rizzto, son of Canadian mob boss Vito Rizzuto
Agostino Contrera
Paolo Renda
Salvatore Calautti
Joe DiMaulo
Roger Valiquette Jr
Moreno Gallo
JuanRamon Fernandez
Fernando Pimental
Vincenzo Figlmeni

Some would say Che Guevara was a hero too

 

[Tamarind]

DM, MS and CN all have been charged criminally so they are criminals - and that is a fact right now, no waiting required.

That is not true until it is a proven fact. IMO

 

[Carli]

It would be horrible if all of unwed persons' estates went to the state, rather than their parents, if they died after the age of majority but before marriage, now wouldn't it?...especially now that the institution of marriage is on the way out. The state could scoop the estates of anyone who dared choose not to marry! How crazy is that!

ETA: even if you think LB's parents are not her parents, Carli, for whatever reason, they are still her next of kin, and as such are victims of the crime of her murder and have rights to know how that came to be and how that will be redressed.

Sorry, but I think you'll find that an unwed person's estate, assuming they've passed the age of majority and were no longer dependants would indeed go to the state. This is why we have Wills. In the absence of that document, a married person's estate would also go to the state.

At no time have I ever stated or even implied that LB was not the child of her parents. I guess you must be funnin' with me. Moo.

By the way, although there are apparently no legal grounds for it, I one hundred percent agree that LB's parents should be kept appraised of the progress of the investigation to the extent that such information does not harm the process (I think those are the usual rules on the subject.) At the very least they should be given enough information to allow them to arrange a funeral. IMO. MOO.

 

[SnooperDuper]

Sorry, but I think you'll find that an unwed person's estate, assuming they've passed the age of majority and were no longer dependants would indeed go to the state. This is why we have Wills.

At no time have I ever stated or even implied that LB was not the child of her parents. I guess you must be funnin'. Moo.

If you die without a will/intestate:

If there is no spouse, the deceased person's children will inherit the estate. If any of them have died, that child's descendants (e.g. the deceased person's grandchildren) will inherit their share.

If there is no spouse or children or grandchildren, the deceased person's parents inherit the estate equally.

http://www.attorneygeneral.jus.gov.on.ca/english/family/pgt/heirclaim.asp

 

[SnooperDuper]

By the way, although there are apparently no legal grounds for it, I one hundred percent agree that LB's parents should be kept appraised of the progress of the investigation to the extent that such information does not harm the process (I think those are the usual rules on the subject.) At the very least they should be given enough information to allow them to arrange a funeral. IMO. MOO.

As next of kin, with full legal grounds for it, LB's parents should be kept appraised of the progress of the investigation.

Unfortunately they may never be able to organize a funeral, only a memorial.

 

[SnooperDuper]

I should add it is MB who has no legal rights or kin relationship to WM. She severed this legal relationship when WM and MB divorced.

If DM were to die or be bypassed in the order of succession, MB would inherit. However, if DM could not inherit, neither then could MB (as next of kin to DM). If DM killed WM, neither DM or his heir MB could inherit.

MB is also not seen legally as a victim because she no longer has a legal relationship with WM.

 

[Carli]

I should add it is MB who has no legal rights or kin relationship to WM. She severed this legal relationship when WM and MB divorced.

If DM were to die or be bypassed in the order of succession, MB would inherit. However, if DM could not inherit, neither then could MB (as next of kin to DM). If DM killed WM, neither DM or his heir MB could inherit.

MB is also not seen legally as a victim because she no longer has a legal relationship with WM.

That's correct.

 

[Carli]

Yeah the only thing not referenced in that article is the word "hero". People only name innocent victims as heroes. Dead mobsters don't count.

Hmmm. Now that could be a problem. Are you saying it might actually be relevant to look at the possible links or connections between murderer and victim to confirm innocence or explore whether something about that relationship which might have led to the murder?

 

[SnooperDuper]

Hmmm. Now that could be a problem. Are you saying it might actually be relevant to look at the possible links or connections between murderer and victim to confirm innocence or explore whether something about that relationship which might have led to the murder?

Sure, but here we are, 19 month later, and nothing has turned up.

ETA: do you think "But I had grounds to kill him" is going to help DM in his defense?