Wayne Millard: Dellen Millard Charged With Murder In The First Degree #1

[Tamarind]

That Five Star may burn a roast but is it designed to completely consume body parts?

I fully agree with you that ovens and incinerators can be repurposed to multiple uses. Prolific French serial killers Henri Landru and Marcel Petiot used, respectively, a kitchen oven and a heating furnace to dispose of their victims. The old fashioned coal oven is still superior to the Five Star in that it was built to withstand higher temperatures. Landru cooked his meals in the oven between body burns, but I suspect he ate out a lot.

Presumably they also burned household wastes in the oven and furnace (I do in the wood fired oven at my cottage, but no animal matter). Landru and Petiot were both charming and well liked, maybe trained cooks too, being as they had a French background. Landru was quite the ladies man, to the misfortune of the ladies.

Anyway I don't think LE hauled away DM's incinerator because some discovery or tip made them think they would only find charcoal and racoon teeth in the residual, or that they did it to prejudice the public. And apparently LE still have custody of it, maybe because it did contain pertinent evidence? Otherwise I expect that it would have been released, and wouldn't it have been up for sale on Kijiji by now?

Yes, testimony about the incinerator will likely be interesting, if it becomes necessary.

You can burn/cook things in an old sink, firepit or chiminea if you choose, it is only subject to the size of the thing being cooked, which can be modified accordingly.
I think the incinerator will assist if only to sway public opinion even if testimony is not necessary JMO

LE do tend to keep a hold of what the seize, especially the money from what I have been told .

 

[SnooperDuper]

LE do tend to keep a hold of what the seize, especially the money from what I have been told .

LE seized DM's money?

 

[Tamarind]

LE seized DM's money?

Don't they seize any cash and claim that its proceeds of crime usually?

 

[Alethea Dice]

Just a note on fashion: Hugo Boss you can buy at the mall. You don't have to be in fantastic shape in fit into Hugo Boss. Alexander McQueen is strictly boutique. You have to have a certain body type to fit in these rather lean-cut clothes (poor people would say, fits like Le Chateau) and a lot of money. Hugo Boss is ordinary, and Alexander McQueen is a label for aficionados of fashion who are willing to put money into their interests. Hugo Boss makes me shrug, but Alexander McQueen makes me say WTH? I didn't know you liked to dress up like a doll, DM.

Well we could have expected DM was the kind of guy that liked all eyes on him: the mohawk. The tattoos. Look at me! Look!

Alexander McQueen comes in sizes up to at least a men's 44. I don't really consider someone wearing a size 44 trouser lean and fit, but whatever floats your boat.

But then, I also don't understand what DM chooses to wear or not to wear has to do with whether he's guilty or not either.

JMO

 

[swedie]

You can burn/cook things in an old sink, firepit or chiminea if you choose, it is only subject to the size of the thing being cooked, which can be modified accordingly.
I think the incinerator will assist if only to sway public opinion even if testimony is not necessary JMO

LE do tend to keep a hold of what the seize, especially the money from what I have been told .

Ah but you see, the purchase and use of the incinerator was done by an intelligent guy whose main purpose was to completely obliterate his victims without attracting attention while doing so. All the suggested methods (minus the five star oven), would have produced smoke and visible fire, not to mention the rancid smell of burning flesh. MOO.

I have to wonder how many of these things DP claimed back in May 2013, turned out to be true? And to make his statement more pathetic....there is no motive here. Seriously?? So if you are all those things, you have no motive to murder people or steal? :thinking: Wonder what his state was when he found out he was being charged with murder if he was shocked by the charges of theft and forcible confinement? Three murder charges at that.

Deepak Paradkar, the attorney representing Millard, told CBC News his client is "shocked" by the charges against him of forcible confinement and theft over $5,000 and isn't the type of person to commit such crimes.

"He's a very unassuming, humble person. He's intelligent, well-educated and financially well off, so there's no motive here," Paradkar said, adding his client has no prior history of crime.

"He's never had a brush with law, never been to jail."

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamil...pearance-staying-silent-lawyer-says-1.1330722

The Babcock disappearance was not the first time Dellen Millard’s name had been brought to the attention of authorities. But since TPS has released only the barest details about their investigations into the deaths of Babcock and Wayne Millard, it’s not known whether they checked for and knew about Dellen’s previous contacts with police, or just didn’t see them as significant.

In 2009, a former tenant at Dellen’s west-end Toronto rental property —who was engaged in a dispute with him before the Landlord Tenant Board at the time—reported to police that she had found Millard and his friends tampering with the engine of her car the night before her hearing. A few years back, a neighbour of the Millards (who asked not to be identified) complained to police that Dellen and his buddies sped dangerously down the child-filled street. (Nothing came of these complaints.) According to a November 2013 article in the Toronto Star, Millard had once been stopped by police and issued a contact card—the tattoo on his wrist that read “ambition” was recorded at the time, a detail that led police to him in the Bosma case.

http://www.thegridto.com/index.html?p=158713.html

 

[SnooperDuper]

Don't they seize any cash and claim that its proceeds of crime usually?

No...?

 

[Sillybilly]

You can burn/cook things in an old sink, firepit or chiminea if you choose, it is only subject to the size of the thing being cooked, which can be modified accordingly.
I think the incinerator will assist if only to sway public opinion even if testimony is not necessary JMO

LE do tend to keep a hold of what the seize, especially the money from what I have been told .

<bbm>

Gosh, I've 'been told' that proceeds of crime legislation exists, there are practices and policies governing application and forfeiture, notices required, etc (i.e. Seized Property Management Act), processes which involve not only LE, but prosecutors, judges, attorneys general, government services, etc.

Oh I forgot ... they're all corrupt

 

[SnooperDuper]

Alexander McQueen comes in sizes up to at least a men's 44. I don't really consider someone wearing a size 44 trouser lean and fit, but whatever floats your boat.

But then, I also don't understand what DM chooses to wear or not to wear has to do with whether he's guilty or not either.

JMO

That's a 44 based on a trim sloper, which is sure as heck not going to fit like a Hugo Boss 44.

Anyway, I thought his interest in theatrical, glamourous clothing was of interest re: his character, obviously someone who wants to stand out and lead and be the leader of any group he's in. Ringleader.

 

[Alethea Dice]

I have to wonder how many of these things DP claimed back in May 2013, turned out to be true? And to make his statement more pathetic....there is no motive here. Seriously?? So if you are all those things, you have no motive to murder people or steal? :thinking: Wonder what his state was when he found out he was being charged with murder if he was shocked by the charges of theft and forcible confinement? Three murder charges at that.

Deepak Paradkar, the attorney representing Millard, told CBC News his client is "shocked" by the charges against him of forcible confinement and theft over $5,000 and isn't the type of person to commit such crimes.

"He's a very unassuming, humble person. He's intelligent, well-educated and financially well off, so there's no motive here," Paradkar said, adding his client has no prior history of crime.

"He's never had a brush with law, never been to jail."

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamil...pearance-staying-silent-lawyer-says-1.1330722

The Babcock disappearance was not the first time Dellen Millard&#8217;s name had been brought to the attention of authorities. But since TPS has released only the barest details about their investigations into the deaths of Babcock and Wayne Millard, it&#8217;s not known whether they checked for and knew about Dellen&#8217;s previous contacts with police, or just didn&#8217;t see them as significant.

In 2009, a former tenant at Dellen&#8217;s west-end Toronto rental property &#8212;who was engaged in a dispute with him before the Landlord Tenant Board at the time&#8212;reported to police that she had found Millard and his friends tampering with the engine of her car the night before her hearing. A few years back, a neighbour of the Millards (who asked not to be identified) complained to police that Dellen and his buddies sped dangerously down the child-filled street. (Nothing came of these complaints.) According to a November 2013 article in the Toronto Star, Millard had once been stopped by police and issued a contact card&#8212;the tattoo on his wrist that read &#8220;ambition&#8221; was recorded at the time, a detail that led police to him in the Bosma case.

http://www.thegridto.com/index.html?p=158713.html

Well, lots of his friends and aquaintances have also stated that he was unassuming and humble and many people think he's financially well off. And if nothing ever came of either of those two rumored incidences, then I guess you could say he had never had a brush with the law and been to jail. Apparently, the law found nothing or had no reason or desire to charge him with anything at the time. And everyone knows that a contact card isn't a brush with the law, it's just a random stop.

 

[Alethea Dice]

That's a 44 based on a trim sloper, which is sure as heck not going to fit like a Hugo Boss 44.

Anyway, I thought his interest in theatrical, glamourous clothing was of interest re: his character, obviously someone who wants to stand out and lead and be the leader of any group he's in. Ringleader.

I don't know what a trim sloper is, but 44 looks pretty big in a tuxedo trouser.

I have no idea what his interest in "glamourous" clothing is, since I don't know who the alleged letter was written to and haven't seen the letter that he was responding to. It appears he was writing to someone who had told him he knew nothing about fashion, which would seem to me to mean that he really doesn't have an interest in clothing, glamourous or otherwise. As he stated in the letter, he prefers function to form. Regardless, I usually find it easier to have an opinion on the context when I've seen both the original comment and the response to it.

 

[SnooperDuper]

Well, lots of his friends and aquaintances have also stated that he was unassuming and humble and many people think he's financially well off. And if nothing ever came of either of those two rumored incidences, then I guess you could say he had never had a brush with the law and been to jail. Apparently, the law found nothing or had no reason or desire to charge him with anything at the time. And everyone knows that a contact card isn't a brush with the law, it's just a random stop.

In DM's area (zone 223 http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/k...eractive_map_black_and_white_differences.html) blacks are 6.7 times more likely to be stopped than whites, and that's not even counting those who are categorized Brown or Other...quite an achievement for a rich white boy to get carded. Yeah, they can't charge you with being a jerk, but they can fill out a contact card on you.

A brush with the law includes a visit with a police officer or a contact card. Being jailed isn't a brush with the law, it's a collision.

Humble, those are just words from his lawyer. I really do hope he shows up in court wearing the green plad (sic) Alexander McQueen he had his eye on as that will make him look the part, lolz.

 

[SnooperDuper]

I don't know what a trim sloper is, but 44 looks pretty big in a tuxedo trouser.

I have no idea what his interest in "glamourous" clothing is, since I don't know who the alleged letter was written to and haven't seen the letter that he was responding to. It appears he was writing to someone who had told him he knew nothing about fashion, which would seem to me to mean that he really doesn't have an interest in clothing, glamourous or otherwise. As he stated in the letter, he prefers function to form. Regardless, I usually find it easier to have an opinion on the context when I've seen both the original comment and the response to it.

Well DM is clearly interested in fashion if he recognizes names like Armani and McQueen. It's not that DM knows nothing about fashion:

"When I wrote that I could never find Armani that fit, you pronounced that I am out of touch with fashion."

Shorty, Giorgio's 80 years old now, he's old news. I agree. You're out of touch.

He doesn't write that he "prefers function to form" but instead, "It is true that I believe form follows function." The shape of something should be based on its purpose, so if your purpose is to theatrically impress, you should go couture.

DM wants to put on a show for us.

 

[Variant]

Ah but you see, the purchase and use of the incinerator was done by an intelligent guy whose main purpose was to completely obliterate his victims without attracting attention while doing so. All the suggested methods (minus the five star oven), would have produced smoke and visible fire, not to mention the rancid smell of burning flesh. MOO.

Even the Five Star oven would produce smoke and smell so I advise Carli not to use it as a body disposal method.

Both Ledru and Petiot were done in by neighbours (finally) complaining about the smell and smoke, and remaining material in the burners, including teeth, helped convict them.

Subsequent killers (and crime fiction writers) learned a lesson from this. For example Martin Ryan planned his wife's murder and decided incineration was his preferred way to achieve the "perfect murder". He studied the previous murderers and learned that anything less than a deadstock or medical incinerator would leave evidence. Presumably he couldn't afford a deadstock burner, or, unlike DM, considered that recent purchase of an incinerator might raise suspicion when his victim disappeared, so he scouted out a hospital where he could sneak the body into their body parts incinerator without being witnessed.

Ryan was partially successful in that while LE suspected what he had done they could find no trace of his wife in the incinerator, other evidence led to charge and conviction, which is one example of a conviction without a body as evidence. Unlike many convicted on what might be considered diminished evidence, he did not continue to proclaim innocence or seek appeal, but fully revealed how he did it.

 

[SnooperDuper]

Wisdom from DM via ABro's blog: http://www.annrbrocklehurst.com/tag/dellen-millard

In a letter from jail dated October 2013, Millard, who has never applied for bail, wrote:

I oppened (sic) up the news paper(sic), to yet another article about me, and the Bosma case. As usual there&#8217;s almost nothing new to say. They just reprint the same old stuff over and over. I know I should ignore it. I know I am supposed to sit tight and stay quiet until trial. But this ******** news is really beginning to bother me. It&#8217;s not the frequency of the articles. It&#8217;s the content&#8230;and I can&#8217;t even tell you, because it&#8217;s directly about the case&#8230; but what I will say, is that &#8220;the facts&#8221; they keep repeating, don&#8217;t match the disclosure I am given. I thought by now some, even one, of those so called &#8216;investigative&#8217; journalists would have picked up on some of discrepancies in what police are telling them. I thought the public might have noticed some of the things that are out of place in the news articles. I&#8217;ve never been through something like this. I&#8217;m relying on the advice of my lawyer, and several other lawyers too, all agree, stay quiet. (A US TV network) wants to do a lengthy interview. Right now, I feel like doing it. And not just sticking to my personal background; I feel like getting right into the case, and picking it all apart. For heaven&#8217;s sake, it&#8217;s right in front of everyone&#8217;s faces, and no one seems to be able to figure it all out!? This silence is very frustrating.

Ok people, what are we missing? It's right in front of our faces.

 

[swedie]

I don't know what a trim sloper is, but 44 looks pretty big in a tuxedo trouser.

I have no idea what his interest in "glamourous" clothing is, since I don't know who the alleged letter was written to and haven't seen the letter that he was responding to. It appears he was writing to someone who had told him he knew nothing about fashion, which would seem to me to mean that he really doesn't have an interest in clothing, glamourous or otherwise. As he stated in the letter, he prefers function to form. Regardless, I usually find it easier to have an opinion on the context when I've seen both the original comment and the response to it.

BBM - carving up his jeans, man purse, pink howhawk...:thinking:

 

[SnooperDuper]

I don't know what a trim sloper is, but 44 looks pretty big in a tuxedo trouser.

A sloper is the basic pattern that fits over the ideal model like a skin, and it is the basis for all further pattern calculations (e.g., adding ease and styling details).

Hugo Boss for instance is based on a big square flat-bottomed German warrior of a man, with an ordinary amount of ease (spare fabric). Great for office slobs.

OTOH McQueen might have used Jim Parsons as his muse, and there is little ease, so you look best standing. Eventwear.

A 44 from each of the two brands will not fit the same, anyway.

 

[matou]

Millard, one of two men believed to have last been seen with 32-year-old Bosma on May 6, was arrested in Mississauga, Ont., on Saturday and charged with forcible confinement and theft over $5,000.

Millard appeared in court via video link on Saturday and was remanded to custody until Wednesday, Paradkar said. Millard is remaining silent as they await the Crown’s evidence in the case.

“We look forward to seeing what that evidence is that would assist my client in his defence,” Paradkar said.

Read more: http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/suspec...by-allegations-lawyer-1.1278801#ixzz3Rqdi6oGK

This article is dated May 13th 2013, before the murder charge against him. He wasn't talking and was keeping quiet??? If he is innocent, why??? The charges were minor and if he had an alibi then he could have been released. He also kept silent when asked about the second suspect. Why not say "It wasn't me, I wasn't there, etc."

DM was more interested in finding out what the evidence was against him first. LOL, he was trying to weasel himself out of his jam and Smich and Noudga weren't arrested yet.

 

[cansleuther]

But, I thought to check out the fashion section in the paper. You know, get in touch with fashion, maybe find something to wear to court. I recognized the name Alexander McQueen, and he&#8217;s doing plad (sic). I like plad (sic), although I prefer blue and green plad (sic) over black. Still what do you think of the included clipping?

FWIW, this is the article that DM is referencing in his letter. The only plaid suit pictured in the article features a matching kilt. Since we have only seen snippets of the letter without any context to whom he is replying to, it is difficult to say for certain, but IMO it seems as though he may be joking - essentially telling the recipient that he's so out of touch with fashion, he just may wear a skirt to his trial.

 

[SnooperDuper]

FWIW, this is the article that DM is referencing in his letter. The only plaid suit pictured in the article features a matching kilt. Since we have only seen snippets of the letter without any context to whom he is replying to, it is difficult to say for certain, but IMO it seems as though he may be joking - essentially telling the recipient that he's so out of touch with fashion, he just may wear a skirt to his trial.

Matching pants AND a kilt. Kilt is optional.

Or maybe he just wants to show how much he disrespects the court process, like WM with his long hair at Air Canada, DM himself with the mohawk as CEO of MA...

 

[matou]

&#8220;He&#8217;s exercising his rights to remain silent,&#8221; said Deepak Paradkar, Mr. Millard&#8217;s lawyer. &#8220;We don&#8217;t know what the case is in terms of his knowledge and so forth. We&#8217;re waiting to see what the police have.&#8221;

It is his right to remain silent, true. However, this just sounds very bad in terms of his involvement and he hadn't even been charged with murder yet. Again, the article is from May 13, 2013. JMOhttp://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...napping-charge-in-bosma-case/article11883445/