Wayne Millard: Dellen Millard Charged With Murder In The First Degree #1

[Alethea Dice]

From the second paragraph you included.
Neighbours also told CBC News they were shocked by the news of Millard's arrest and described him as "a normal kid."

Interesting how that seems to be a very popular phrase when people are accused of murder. The shock probably wore off when they start hearing more information and not necessarily rumours. Obviously these neighbours didn't know DM that well as they referred to him as a kid. Or could it be he acted like a kid that led them to use that term kid. I just may have taken offence to someone calling me a kid at 27 years of age. JMO.

Almost as popular as the old psychopath line. As I recall, there was also a video of the neighbour who was a few decades older than DM. I don't find it odd when an older gentleman still calls the 27 year old neighbour a kid. It would be more odd for him to say he was a normal kid with all that partying going on constantly next door.

 

[Alethea Dice]

Could it be that fiancée left because of the turmoil between father and son? Could it be that was the lie DM told LE for his father's suicide? "Dad was so depressed because this fiancée left, she threatened to take him for half of everything, he started drinking quite heavily, talked about doing himself in". Maybe she does exists and will be a fine witness for the Crown shedding much information as to what went on in the Millard household. We'll have to wait and see. MOO.

I guess she didn't know him very well then. She seems to have left before anyone ever even heard of her. If she exists and managed to disappear that easily, I won't hold my breath waiting for her to reappear at the trial. JMO

 

[Juballee]

Maybe DM was actually their supplier? Maybe that's how they got connected in the first place. Seems like LB knew who to call when she was looking for some drugs. MOO

I imagine that if drug suppliers started giving out jet skis to their customers, we'd all be hooked on drugs pretty quick.

 

[Tamarind]

I guess she didn't know him very well then. She seems to have left before anyone ever even heard of her. If she exists and managed to disappear that easily, I won't hold my breath waiting for her to reappear at the trial. JMO

Back in the day,suicide used to carry a stigma. People didn't like to talk about it. I think MB would be from that era as is my own mother. It was not unusual for people to cover up for a suicide so that it did not reflect badly on the one who committed it.
Do we know who the source is for the mentioning of a WM fiance, I seem to think it was AS.

Without anything credible to go on it may well be just rumour. IMO

 

[SnooperDuper]

I imagine that if drug suppliers started giving out jet skis to their customers, we'd all be hooked on drugs pretty quick.

Forget that, if drug suppliers started giving out drugs to their customers, we'd all be hooked on drugs pretty quick.

Maybe DM did, LB was asking...

 

[ABro]

Back in the day,suicide used to carry a stigma. People didn't like to talk about it. I think MB would be from that era as is my own mother. It was not unusual for people to cover up for a suicide so that it did not reflect badly on the one who committed it.
Do we know who the source is for the mentioning of a WM fiance, I seem to think it was AS.

Without anything credible to go on it may well be just rumour. IMO

Wrong. AS said bupkis about a possible WM fiancee.

It seems as if you're just trying to discredit AS for his willingness to go on the record with a negative and highly credible portrait of DM, who, you believe -- despite compelling evidence to the contrary -- must be innocent because your "gut" told you so.

 

[Tamarind]

Forget that, if drug suppliers started giving out drugs to their customers, we'd all be hooked on drugs pretty quick.

Maybe DM did, LB was asking...

I think addicts will ask anyone for drugs. I once helped someone move into a new place and some woman casually walks through the open door asking if anyone had drugs. People who use drugs will do anything to find them and first port of call is likely to be people they know IMO regardless of whether that person is a dealer.

 

[Tamarind]

Wrong. AS said bupkis about a possible WM fiancee.

It seems as if you're just trying to discredit AS for his willingness to go on the record with a negative and highly credible portrait of DM, who, you believe -- despite compelling evidence to the contrary -- must be innocent because your "gut" told you so.

I asked a question about who the information came from - and being willing to go on the record does not give anyone automatic credibility. I will not repeat myself in any detail about the presumption of innocence as you already know that. Your gut obviously prefers to go on unsubstantiated evidence and that's fine, we all have our leanings. I do not find AS credible and that is my opinion as yours is yours.

 

[ABro]

I asked a question about who the information came from - and being willing to go on the record does not give anyone automatic credibility. I will not repeat myself in any detail about the presumption of innocence as you already know that. Your gut obviously prefers to go on unsubstantiated evidence and that's fine, we all have our leanings. I do not find AS credible and that is my opinion as yours is yours.

The thing is AS knew and worked with DM.

You, on the other hand, have never even met him.

For most people that makes your opinion a whole lot less valuable than his.

And much as you might not like it, going on the record does confer a degree of credibility.

 

[SnooperDuper]

I think addicts will ask anyone for drugs. I once helped someone move into a new place and some woman casually walks through the open door asking if anyone had drugs.

That should be a hint that you're in the wrong neighbourhood, because people assume...

People who use drugs will do anything to find them and first port of call is likely to be people they know IMO regardless of whether that person is a dealer.

Why would you ask someone who you know doesn't have drugs, for drugs? For the shame, the judgement, the social fallout? I mean what productive end comes of asking clean people for drugs?

No, DM was a known source or user if LB was asking him for drugs.

 

[Tamarind]

The thing is AS knew and worked with DM.

You, on the other hand, have never even met him.

For most people that makes your opinion a whole lot less valuable than his.

And much as you might not like it, going on the record does confer a degree of credibility.

And apparently neither have you met him.

I prefer to find people who lived next door to him for years more credible than someone employed to find business and yet did not apparently manage to come up with any. AS was not productive so there is a chance he has cause to gripe when a young guy calls him out on his lack of business ventures for MA. JMO

I do not find his opinion valuable I find it has a bias in that the two met for business reasons to discuss non productivity.

As much as you may not like it, many people go on the record to demean another for purely personal reasons JMO MOO

 

[Juballee]

Forget that, if drug suppliers started giving out drugs to their customers, we'd all be hooked on drugs pretty quick.

Maybe DM did, LB was asking...

I agree with your first sentence, that's why companies like McDonalds had numerous free coffee give-aways here, and now we all know people who drink their coffee.

But I thought that actual drug dealers only did that in After School Specials

 

[Tamarind]

That should be a hint that you're in the wrong neighbourhood, because people assume...

Why would you ask someone who you know doesn't have drugs, for drugs? For the shame, the judgement, the social fallout? I mean what productive end comes of asking clean people for drugs?

No, DM was a known source or user if LB was asking him for drugs.

For one, it was not my neighbourhood and I find comments that imply drug users are to be banished to a corner of the world away from the rest rather discriminatory and in bad taste. JMO

For two, how would someone know whether or not someone had access to drugs without asking....someone who is desperate for drugs doesn't care about judgement at that very moment IMO.

Many well paid, so called respectable people use drugs as much as any other income bracket. It is a universal social pastime believe it or not (and no it is not one of my pastimes)

You say DM was a known user, please provide the proof of that claim. LB asking him for drugs does not prove anything, from what we have been told DM didnt give or get her any. So obviously he was not a source at that time .

 

[ABro]

And apparently neither have you met him.

I prefer to find people who lived next door to him for years more credible than someone employed to find business and yet did not apparently manage to come up with any. AS was not productive so there is a chance he has cause to gripe when a young guy calls him out on his lack of business ventures for MA. JMO

I do not find his opinion valuable I find it has a bias in that the two met for business reasons to discuss non productivity.

As much as you may not like it, many people go on the record to demean another for purely personal reasons JMO MOO

Opinions are biased. That's their very nature and why they're opinions not facts.

AS makes it clear he doesn't like DM. Readers assess his opinions in that context.

It's interesting that you find DM's neighbours so credible given that we have zero basis to assess their credibility.

In almost every serial killer story to hit the evening news, there are clueless neighbours who swear that the serial killer next door was a truly nice guy, along with another set of neighbours who were better judges of character and warned their kids to stay away from the killer's house.

I like to think that if I lived next door to a serial killer, I wouldn't be among the clueless neighbours, but maybe I'm deluding myself.

Just out of curiosity, is DM, the first alleged serial killer, you've believed to be not not guilty? Where did you stand on Paul Bernardo and Jeffrey Dahmer?

 

[SnooperDuper]

For one, it was not my neighbourhood and I find comments that imply drug users are to be banished to a corner of the world away from the rest rather discriminatory and in bad taste. JMO

For two, how would someone know whether or not someone had access to drugs without asking....someone who is desperate for drugs doesn't care about judgement at that very moment IMO.

You talk like it's someone's first time using drugs and they know no other users or dealers. When people have a habit they come to know who has/uses drugs. Everyone else can be safely ignored.

Many well paid, so called respectable people use drugs as much as any other income bracket. It is a universal social pastime believe it or not (and no it is not one of my pastimes)

It's a universal social pastime for only about 10% of the population http://hc-sc.gc.ca/hc-ps/drugs-drogues/stat/_2012/summary-sommaire-eng.php

If you hang around the 90% it might seem no one does drugs, and if you hang around the 10% if might seem as if everyone does.

Interesting how you're not against it, but are quick to assert you don't do drugs yourself...you understand fundamentally it's a bad thing, even if you say it's not so.

You say DM was a known user, please provide the proof of that claim. LB asking him for drugs does not prove anything, from what we have been told DM didnt give or get her any. So obviously he was not a source at that time .

DM was around drugs. There's the parties, the exes looking for drugs, the buddies with multiple drug charges on their criminal records...you can't fight with a coal miner without getting covered with coal dust and you can't be around that many drug connections and not have made a connection yourself.

 

[Tamarind]

Opinions are biased. That's their very nature and why they're opinions not facts.

AS makes it clear he doesn't like DM. Readers assess his opinions in that context.

Yes i know what opinions are.

It's interesting that you find DM's neighbours so credible given that we have zero basis to assess their credibility.

I believe DM has lived in that neighbourhood since he was a child and I believe they said he was just a normal kid.

In almost every serial killer story to hit the evening news, there are clueless neighbours who swear that the serial killer next door was a truly nice guy, along with another set of neighbours who were better judges of character and warned their kids to stay away from the killer's house.

There are also neighbours that know the other neighbours and their families quite well, especially when they may have been friends with the father from decades ago. JMO

I like to think that if I lived next door to a serial killer, I wouldn't be among the clueless neighbours, but maybe I'm deluding myself.

I enjoy talking to my neighbours, I think I would be someone who would know what type of man or woman many of my neighbours were. MOO

Just out of curiosity, is DM, the first alleged serial killer, you've believed to be not not guilty? Where did you stand on Paul Bernardo and Jeffrey Dahmer?

No actually I had a gut instinct about Guy Paul Morin, many thought I was way off at the time - however I was right, or rather my gut was ;-)

 

[matou]

There was NO evidence in the case of GPM. It wasn't a big shocker that DNA exonerated him. It's not even close to comparison of the evidence in THIS case. And that's from the evidence that we actually know. JMO

 

[ABro]

I believe DM has lived in that neighbourhood since he was a child and I believe they said he was just a normal kid. There are also neighbours that know the other neighbours and their families quite well, especially when they may have been friends with the father from decades ago. JMO

You are mistaken. The Maple Gate neighbours ran the gamut, and some even reported DM and his friends to police for speeding down a street with children. No one knew Wayne well. He kept to himself and did not socialize.

http://www.thegridto.com/index.html?p=158713.html

DM's mother did not move into into her Kleinburg home until 2001 and DM did not live with her so the neighbours would not really be in a good position to judge.

 

[Tamarind]

You are mistaken. The Maple Gate neighbours ran the gamut, and some even reported DM and his friends to police for speeding down a street with children. No one knew Wayne well. He kept to himself and did not socialize.

http://www.thegridto.com/index.html?p=158713.html

DM's mother did not move into into her Kleinburg home until 2001 and DM did not live with her so the neighbours would not really be in a good position to judge.

Some said he was a normal kid.
I dont think AS is in a good position to judge either. JMO

 

[SnooperDuper]

Some said he was a normal kid.
I dont think AS is in a good position to judge either. JMO

He was eyewitness to the mohawk and DM's work ethic...suuure he can judge.