Wayne Millard: Dellen Millard Charged With Murder In The First Degree #1

[ABro]

Did you say Millard and Smich have something in common with an alleged murderer, a thief and someone accused of rape because... uhm... because they can pay a lawyer???

Yes, I said precisely that. One thing they all have in common is the ability to pay top-notch legal help.

If they pay less for their lawyers, what difference would that make?

Not necessarily anything, but in general the top defence lawyers charge high fees.

Do you think they should engage legal aid instead?

No.

Or are you saying that lawyers who charge their clients more money have much more influence with judges?

No, where on earth do you get that? I'm saying that lawyers with a proven track record and a reputation for being the best in their field can charge more.

If so, could we have some illustrations of Canadian murderers getting away with their crimes because their lawyers have some kind of "in" with the judge? Now there IS a story.

No story here. Move along folks.

Incidentally, I don't know about these fancy teams of high paid influential lawyers. For the WM and LB cases, Pillay's firm appears to be a "team" of one guy, himself, with shared office space that is not exactly trendy. IMO. MOO. IMHO. But at least he has an office. DP, defense in the TB case (assuming he is actually still retained by DM and figured out how to get that odd paperwork thing sorted out) is another one man band and he works from home, it appears. Of course it has been many weeks / months now since he was "officially retained" by DM. Does he, in fact, even have a lawyer anymore in the TB case?

Pillay and Paradkar are both well respected lawyers who don't come cheap. They have been working on this case together and have put together a team. Not sure why you're so hung up on where exactly they conduct business.

As for the Milgaard and Morin cases, what do you mean by "Millard supporters"? Whatever that means I'm unaware of anybody repeatedly bringing up these cases. Do you mean here, on WS? Nevertheless, by way of explanation, these were both Canadian cases in which murder convictions were overthrown after many years of their wrongful conviction and imprisonment. I'd have presumed most people would be aware of that, but maybe not.

Do a Google search for site:websleuths.com. You'll find many mentions. Here's a very recent one from a vocal, newly arrived participant in this forum with a penchant for box metaphors:

We don't know what? What the presented 'evidence' is?
Whatever it is would be in the same type of presentation box as that of Milgaard, Truscott, Morin and everyone else , I suspect. Some are accurate and some are not.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...r-in-the-First-Degree&p=11231171#post11231171

I'm very curious about an odd sort of meme that seems to be running through the thread, IMO, and through society in general. That is, that somehow, upper middle class people are very likely to be guilty of criminal behavior. After all, how else did they get their money? So, there's a particular sense of pleasure, dare I say, guilty pleasure, when misfortune descends upon the monied class, the celebrity class, the business class, etc. regardless of whether they are the cause of their own dilemma or not. IMO. TMZ unleashed. I call it the "hyena factor".

Actually, I didn't approve of the Black prosecution. I thought it was selective application of justice. I was also very critical of many aspects of the DSK prosecution. I kind of have a soft spot for Black, DSK not so much.

I'm also in favour of sending rich people who commit murder to jail. The OJ case was a miscarriage of justice. HTH.

 

[Sillybilly]

Yup, lots of firsts with these alleged crimes, it seems. First murder arising from a Kijiji ad. First murder charges involving an iconic family in Canadian aviation history. First nationally televised funeral of a civilian murder victim. First reversal of a suicide determination two years after the fact. Rare murder charges associated with a girl whose body has not been found. Well, I think they're firsts. I haven't participated in other WS forums, so I definitely could be wrong. Which forums were you thinking of? With regard to the "staunch, ongoing support for an accused murderer" you perceive, I really don't know what to say. That statement has been challenged over and over and over and over and over and over again. Yet still biased, such provocative and disparaging comments continue. IMO. MOO. IMHO.

Biased, provocative, etc?? Sorry if it offends you, but it's just an honest observation, having been here through many, many cases.

Every single case has it's specifics, just variations of a theme ...

Amish girls, Russ Williams, Doug Garland, Michael Rafferty, Courtney Johnston, Israel Keyes, Joe Neff, Kera Freeland, Legebokoff, Lianna White, to name a few. You can change the victims, change the detail, change the accused ... all just variations of a theme.

 

[SnooperDuper]

Aviation, real estate, and friends in the entertainment industry: DM was like a young Howard Hughes.

a fu manchu moustache with the ends dangling down off his chin and greasy, chin-length hair

Now locked in isolation and definitely channeling Hughes.

 

[Sillybilly]

Keep the focus on DM as heir, prodigy, scion, "extension of another life". Well-bred from good folk, well-educated, and wealthy.

There are too many hints, though, that DM was one heck of a party boy.

ex-Col Russell Williams > panty thief when not on parade or being saluted

 

[Variant]

Aviation, real estate, and friends in the entertainment industry: DM was like a young Howard Hughes.



Now locked in isolation and definitely channeling Hughes.

I thought more like Charles Manson, well-known jailhouse philosopher, in his hairy period.

 

[Sillybilly]

Accused individuals have varied personalities, backgrounds, experience, . For anyone who'd like to study how DM and MS compare to other accused criminals, here's a start:

Trials:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?8-Trials

Currently Awaiting Trial:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?360-Currently-Awaiting-Trial

Archived cases:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?81-Archived-Cases

Too busy to go through to find those that may have been acquitted.

 

[Carli]

I thought more like Charles Manson, well-known jailhouse philosopher, in his hairy period.

Ha, ha, ha. But you know, I could have sworn Charles Manson received a trial, didn't he?

 

[Variant]

Ha, ha, ha. But you know, I could have sworn Charles Manson received a trial, didn't he?

As I recall, Manson looked like that, and wrote poetry while he waited for trial too.

 

[Carli]

Do a Google search for site:websleuths.com. You'll find many mentions. Here's a very recent one from a vocal, newly arrived participant in this forum with a penchant for box metaphors:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...r-in-the-First-Degree&p=11231171#post11231171

I'm also in favour of sending rich people who commit murder to jail. The OJ case was a miscarriage of justice. HTH.

(Selectively snipped by me.)

If, heaven forfend, you are ever charged with a serious crime and you can afford a top lawyer with a proven track record, would you pass on that idea because of the optics or worry because observers might feel the choice gave you an unfair advantage?

Well, not to put too fine a point on it, I took up the challenge and googled site: Websleuths.com: "Guy Paul Morin" (two references) and sites: Websleuths.com "David Milgaard" (seems to be 12 or so, mostly repeat copies) and site: Websleuths: "Steven Truscott". (one ref)

I'm in favour of sending all those found guilty of murder in a properly constituted court of criminal law to jail, regardless of their bank accounts.

 

[Carli]

As I recall, Manson looked like that, and wrote poetry while he waited for trial too.

Yes, the similarities are just too stark to ignore. And poetry, too. OMG

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Manson

 

[Carli]

Jesting and jousting aside, ABro, do you know if Paradkar is, in fact, representing Millard in the Bosma case? That daunting paperwork story he mentioned weeks ago seems to have not been updated. At the time, didn't he say everything should be sorted out with the Supremes by the 1st of November?

 

[Sillybilly]

... I took up the challenge and googled site: Websleuths.com: "Guy Paul Morin" (two references) and sites: Websleuths.com "David Milgaard" (seems to be 12 or so, mostly repeat copies) and site: Websleuths: "Steven Truscott". (one ref)

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I believe all the crimes they were accused of were before WS even came into existence, so not unusual that there isn't a lot of discussion about them on the board (Truscott released 1974, Morin released 1995, Milgaard released 1997)

FWIW, I get more results for a WS site search for the Morin, Milgaard and Truscott cases:

https://www.google.ca/?gws_rd=ssl#q="guy+paul+morin"+site:www.websleuths.com

https://www.google.ca/?gws_rd=ssl#q="david+milgaard"+site:www.websleuths.com

https://www.google.ca/?gws_rd=ssl#q="steven+truscott"+site:www.websleuths.com

 

[ABro]

(Selectively snipped by me.)

If, heaven forfend, you are ever charged with a serious crime and you can afford a top lawyer with a proven track record, would you pass on that idea because of the optics or worry because observers might feel the choice gave you an unfair advantage?

Well, not to put too fine a point on it, I took up the challenge and googled site: Websleuths.com: "Guy Paul Morin" (two references) and sites: Websleuths.com "David Milgaard" (seems to be 12 or so, mostly repeat copies) and site: Websleuths: "Steven Truscott". (one ref)

I'm in favour of sending all those found guilty of murder in a properly constituted court of criminal law to jail, regardless of their bank accounts.

Of course, I would want the best possible counsel.

My point was that Milgaard, Morin, Truscott and all had weak counsel, which is a large part of why they were railroaded.

People who are wrongfully convicted don't tend to have top lawyers.

 

[Carli]

Of course, I would want the best possible counsel.

My point was that Milgaard, Morin, Truscott and all had weak counsel, which is a large part of why they were railroaded.

People who are wrongfully convicted don't tend to have top lawyers.

True. And top lawyers don't tend to practice criminal law.

 

[ABro]

True. And top lawyers don't tend to practice criminal law.

Be sure to call a corporate lawyer when they arrest you for murder then.

I'm going to call Marie Henein.

http://i.imgur.com/A3taghk.jpg

 

[Alethea Dice]

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I believe all the crimes they were accused of were before WS even came into existence, so not unusual that there isn't a lot of discussion about them on the board (Truscott released 1974, Morin released 1995, Milgaard released 1997)

FWIW, I get more results for a WS site search for the Morin, Milgaard and Truscott cases:

https://www.google.ca/?gws_rd=ssl#q="guy+paul+morin"+site:www.websleuths.com

https://www.google.ca/?gws_rd=ssl#q="david+milgaard"+site:www.websleuths.com

https://www.google.ca/?gws_rd=ssl#q="steven+truscott"+site:www.websleuths.com

Interesting how often those three come up in conversations of other cases too though.

 

[Tamarind]

Of course, I would want the best possible counsel.

My point was that Milgaard, Morin, Truscott and all had weak counsel, which is a large part of why they were railroaded.

People who are wrongfully convicted don't tend to have top lawyers.

Most people don't have the money to pay the ridiculous costs of lawyers fees. The system is set up to fail and by that I mean that once they get an 'offender' in the loop they often stay in that loop by way of conditions which are often rights violations which they are guaranteed to breach. JMO . They would probably be better off and dealt with more quickly if they represented themselves.

 

[Tamarind]

I disagree. There are hundreds of WS threads with the same topic, just different names. I've been around this forum for a number of years, and have never seen such staunch, ongoing support for an accused murderer as there is for DM.

Maybe it has more to do with the circumstances and the oddities in this case that makes one question the official story, rather than it being about a rich, pleasant looking young man who is known to be humble and who has no criminal record. JMO

 

[Tamarind]

I'm also in favour of sending rich people who commit murder to jail. The OJ case was a miscarriage of justice. HTH.

So here is an example of how people will question the accuracy of a trial after an acquittal. Should be easy to understand the opposite scenario then . IMO

 

[swedie]

Ha, ha, ha. But you know, I could have sworn Charles Manson received a trial, didn't he?

Speaking of Manson, the lucky dog is getting married. Something (or many things) about this young lady seems "off". Just saying.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/09/justice/charles-manson-wife/