Wayne Millard: Dellen Millard Charged With Murder In The First Degree #1

[Sillybilly]

Really! If the trip was planned a year earlier and the plane booking was made a week before he leaves does that mean something? If the trip was planned months before and he booked it 3 weeks before he leaves does that mean something? IMO the only way it would look odd is if the flight was booked on the 3rd July 2012 and even then it is not game over.IMO

Heaven sent? I dont think DM flat out lied, I think he never placed any importance on calls that he didnt answer ( according to the phone bill) or to a one time call that was just LB looking for a place to stay. She had apparently called a few people looking for a place to stay. What is chilling? Where is the body? What motive would DM have to kill LB? I cant see any and I have been looking for one.

<rsbm>

Conversely, could also be he thought it was a good idea to get rid of her before he left on his pre-planned trip.

He appears to have answered a call from LB on July 1 and the convo was 21 mins long, yet he flat-out denied to SL that he had even had any calls from her. If an acquaintance of mine approached me about a missing mutual friend, I'd sure tell them about any contact I'd had with her in recent times before she disappeared.

 

[cansleuther]

He appears to have answered a call from LB on July 1 and the convo was 21 mins long, yet he flat-out denied to SL that he had even had any calls from her. If an acquaintance of mine approached me about a missing mutual friend, I'd sure tell them about any contact I'd had with her in recent times before she disappeared.

Or he denied the amount of calls but admitted to talking to her - depending on what source reported it.

&#8220;At first he denied it could have been eight phone calls,&#8221; said Mr. Lerner. &#8220;I had the records and eventually he admitted talking with her. He basically told me that Laura had been asking him for drugs and a place to stay and that he denied both requests.&#8221;

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/police-probe-link-between-dellen-millard-and-missing-woman/article12015795/

 

[Tamarind]

<rsbm>

Conversely, could also be he thought it was a good idea to get rid of her before he left on his pre-planned trip.

He appears to have answered a call from LB on July 1 and the convo was 21 mins long, yet he flat-out denied to SL that he had even had any calls from her. If an acquaintance of mine approached me about a missing mutual friend, I'd sure tell them about any contact I'd had with her in recent times before she disappeared.

Why? Why would he want to get rid of her in the first place and why would he want to get rid of her before a trip? Surely if he had murdered her he would have left for his trip long before he did and planned the murder a little better ? Why would any murderer leave evidence pointing to themselves not just in one case but allegedly in THREE. It does not make any sense to me.

When SL allegedly approached DM it was weeks after she had disappeared. If SL was asking if he had heard from her, DM may have thought he meant recently and said "No I havent heard from her" On being pressed and being given a date that she went missing together with some phone records DM may have realized that he had in fact spoken to her weeks before and then acknowledged that. JMO

 

[Carli]

Very true Tamarind. At this point it's up for grabs. However, regardless if it was planned, or wasn't, and if DM is found guilty "beyond a reasonable doubt" that he did in fact murder LB, the planning of this trip may shed some light into who DM truly is.

Hey, I'm all for giving any accused person the benefit of the doubt. Maybe this was a planned holiday and DM was super pressed for time..because he's so incredibly busy, overflowing with compassion- enough so to give a babbling LB friend some of his precious time etc etc, maybe that's all true. BUT, to make that assumption would require me to buy in to a universal conspiracy theory that absolutely everyone and everything was conspiring against DM, and I just can't buy it. To do so, would mean that I would somehow have to think that DM was someone "heaven sent"- and I don't. DM wasn't special. DM lied to SL. Flat out lied. The chilling part? LB was already dead and now, she's been somehow tied to an incinerator, one that just happened to found on DM's property many moons later when someone else, that DM coincidently is going to buy a truck from, is found. MOO
http://www.annrbrocklehurst.com/tag/laura-babcock

IMHO, DM is nothing more than another run of the mill psychopathic killer. They lie, they deceive, they're wolves in sheep clothing, they're dangerous, they kill innocent people, and they betray. SB phrased it all ""The devil led the vilest form of evil down our driveway and he smiled at me before driving Tim away."

http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/0...reds-gather-to-mourn-murder-victim-tim-bosma/

IMHO, and only MOO, when DM is found guilty for these 3 murders, many people will be left in shock. My heart goes out to friends, family and supporters who really want to believe in his innocence. Murder trials come in all shapes and sizes, but IMO, those involving Psychopaths are earth shattering for those who are close to the accused. If DM is found guilty, I seriously doubt that he'll worry about anyone who supported him- DM's world is all about DM. But on another note, he may want to get working on those "small space" designs. MOO
http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/201...didnt_kill_tim_bosma_exclusive_interview.html

I think if a few people actually took the time to think about most alternative theories presented on these threads, it might actually eventually dawn on them that DM was not the conspirator's target. MOO. IMHO. From WM's obituary: "His hope was for a time when cooperation would be the norm and competition was only friendly."

 

[SnooperDuper]

I think if a few people actually took the time to think about most alternative theories presented on these threads, it might actually eventually dawn on them that DM was not the conspirator's target. MOO. IMHO. From WM's obituary: "His hope was for a time when cooperation would be the norm and competition was only friendly."

How did LB get wrapped up in this then? (I'm getting those kendra wilkinson/hugh hefner kinda chills)

 

[Sillybilly]

I haven't worked on the timeline for quite a while, but this is what I have (in relation to the timeframe between LB's phone calls and DM's trip):

20120703 Laura Babcock&#8217;s last cell phone call to DM was made on this date.

20120716 TPS issues bulletin re LB missing

20120727 SL confronted DM with LB&#8217;s cell phone records. SL said mutual friends had told him Millard and Babcock were in a relationship. When SL initially confronted DM about LB being in contact with him, DM denied it. When SL produced the phone records, DM then claimed she had been in touch wanting drugs and a place to stay.

20120805 pics show DM and friends were in Agana, Croatia and other locations as follows:

20120805 Split, Croatia
20120807 21450 Hvar, Splitsko-Dalmatinska, Croatia
20120810 Ante Rudana 47, 21222 Marina, Splitsko-Dalmatinska, Croatia
20120811 Porto Di Ancona, Italia
20120812 11853 Athens, Greece (Athina)
20120813 Acropolis, Athens, Greece
20120814 Cretaquarium, Greece
20120815 Chania, Greece
20120816 Santorini, Greece
20120817 Mykonos, Greece

20120817 After this date, DM does not appear to be following along with others on the trip(s).

If those notes are accurate, it seems DM left on the trip after SL met with him about LB&#8217;s disappearance.

 

[Carli]

How did LB get wrapped up in this then? (I'm getting those kendra wilkinson/hugh hefner kinda chills)

I have no idea. Well, no idea other than the fact that these charges appeared very recently. I've heard of Hugh Hefner but who's kendra wilkinson and what chills and what do they have to do with this case? Sorry but I don't get your meaning.

Well I googled and found out who those two are/were but I still don't get your point. Clarification, pls. Tnx.

 

[Sillybilly]

I think if a few people actually took the time to think about most alternative theories presented on these threads, it might actually eventually dawn on them that DM was not the conspirator's target. MOO. IMHO. From WM's obituary: "His hope was for a time when cooperation would be the norm and competition was only friendly."

I'm not sure what you're meaning, but ..

If DM knew of some suspicious, unfriendly competition somehow related to his father's demise, it seems he didn't share those concerns with TPS who originally thought WM's death was a suicide and didn't appear to have anything else to rule in or out.

If WM was a target, how does that conspiracy theory factor into LB's disappearance/death and Tim's death?

I don't think we've seen actual theories spelled out ... just a variety of hints that it could be someone else that is responsible for all these deaths.

 

[matou]

It is possible that all three victims were killed with the same gun right?

 

[Sillybilly]

I think if a few people actually took the time to think about most alternative theories presented on these threads, it might actually eventually dawn on them that DM was not the conspirator's target. MOO. IMHO. From WM's obituary: "His hope was for a time when cooperation would be the norm and competition was only friendly."

I can't seem to tie any alternate theories to 3 distinctly separate deaths. IMO, the only common denominator among the 3 is DM and the victims appear to be peeps who possibly just got in the way of what he wanted in or out of his life.

 

[Sillybilly]

It is possible that all three victims were killed with the same gun right?

That would certainly constitute another common denominator .. yep.

 

[Carli]

I'm not sure what you're meaning, but ..

If DM knew of some suspicious, unfriendly competition somehow related to his father's demise, it seems he didn't share those concerns with TPS who originally thought WM's death was a suicide and didn't appear to have anything else to rule in or out.

If WM was a target, how does that conspiracy theory factor into LB's disappearance/death and Tim's death?

I don't think we've seen actual theories spelled out ... just a variety of hints that it could be someone else that is responsible for all these deaths.

As you know, the rules prohibit the examination of persons or corporations not charged. MOO. IMHO.

IMO, depending on the circumstances, there could be many reasons he wouldn't share his concerns with TPS. How do you know he didn't?

 

[Sillybilly]

As you know, the rules prohibit the examination of persons or corporations not charged. MOO. IMHO.

No, but typically peeps have a way of getting the general idea out there, getting the point out there, without naming names.

Hard to argue for or against anything when we don't have anything remotely suggestive of what the alternate theories could be.

 

[matou]

That would certainly constitute another common denominator .. yep.

Also, DM was with dating Noudga during the times all 3 victims were murdered. Also, Noudga was arrested on the same date that MWJ was and also on the same date as DM was charged in the murder of his father and DM/MS were charged in the murder of Laura Babcock. She is a link in all of this IMO, as is MWJ. Can't be a coincidence that all of these charges came out at the same time. JMO

 

[Tamarind]

That would certainly constitute another common denominator .. yep.

Except only one was alleged to have been killed with a a gun.

 

[Carli]

No, but typically peeps have a way of getting the general idea out there, getting the point out there, without naming names.

Hard to argue for or against anything when we don't have anything remotely suggestive of what the alternate theories could be.

Sorry. Can't help you. Pointers and recommendations have been repeatedly posted. MOO.

 

[Carli]

<rsbm>

Just a small correction. That quote is wrong. What she actually said was "it" smiled at me. The actual video of her saying it has been posted here many times. IMPO, there is a difference. Maybe not as convenient as using the word he, but the facts are the facts.

JMO

Whatever was said, there is a sufficient challenge for rational and detailed investigatory skills in this difficult case, imo, without clouding the issue with reification. IMO. MOO.

 

[SnooperDuper]

Whatever was said, there is a sufficient challenge for rational and detailed investigatory skills in this difficult case, imo, without clouding the issue with reification. IMO. MOO.

That's truly the most mind-boggling thing I've read since "He believed animal welfare was a humanitarian effort." Are you related to these people?

 

[Sillybilly]

I would call evil "it" .. G-d forbid that anyone define it as feminine or masculine, or we'd have a gazillion posts about that :biggrin:

 

[Carli]

That's truly the most mind-boggling thing I've read since "He believed animal welfare was a humanitarian effort." Are you related to these people?

I'm lost, Snoop. What is mind boggling to you? Unless the devil is going to be subpoenaed as a witness, I see no reason to give credence to the observation. IMO. No, I'm not related to anybody associated in any way whatsoever with this or any other case and I'm not one bit happy about the dismissive connotation. IMO. MOO. IMHO.