Wayne Millard: Dellen Millard Charged With Murder In The First Degree #1

[Sillybilly]

I believe the relevance of the observation is wrt SB having been smiled at by whomever Tim left with, not whether the devil or evil is a "he" or an "it".

 

[cansleuther]

I believe the relevance of the observation is wrt SB having been smiled at by whomever Tim left with, not whether the devil or evil is a "he" or an "it".

It was actually Tim who smiled at his wife that night. The oft-cited "devil" reference from the memorial was most likely used in an allegorical sense and not meant to be taken literally. JMO.

"As you know, I watched my husband drive away just after 9 o'clock on Monday night," she said. "He smiled at me and said he'd be right back. And I have not seen him since."

http://www.thespec.com/news-story/4462499-clairmont-as-bosma-s-wife-pleas-for-his-return-millard-was-allegedly-escaping/

http://www.hamiltonpolice.on.ca/HPS/News/timbosmafamily.htm

 

[Sillybilly]

It was actually Tim who smiled at his wife that night. The oft-cited "devil" reference from the memorial was most likely used in an allegorical sense and not meant to be taken literally. JMO.

from:
http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/0...reds-gather-to-mourn-murder-victim-tim-bosma/

The devil led the vilest form of evil down our driveway and he smiled at me before driving Tim away.

Had it ended at the word 'driveway', I might agree ... but IMO the smiling denotes interaction between whomever that evil was and SB.

 

[Carli]

from:
http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/0...reds-gather-to-mourn-murder-victim-tim-bosma/



Had it ended at the word 'driveway', I might agree ... but IMO the smiling denotes interaction between whomever that evil was and SB.

I agree. SB is absolutely entitled to express her beliefs, but whether it was so intended or not the statement serves to prejudice public sentiment about the accused by suggesting they were possessed by the devil. That is why it need not be repeated. IMO. MOO. IMHO. Alternatively, we could just go for literal interpretations and, in lieu of a trial, we could tie rocks to their bodies, toss them in the river to see if they sink. Witch hunts are still quite popular today in parts of sub Saharan Africa and particularly in South Africa.

http://www.gendercide.org/case_witchhunts.html

"In 1996 The Observer (UK) reported that "the precise statistics are not known, but the deaths from witch-burning episodes number in the hundreds each year and the trend appears to be on the rise." (David Beresford, "Ancient superstitions, fear of witches cast spell on new nation," reprinted in The Ottawa Citizen, June 18, 1996.)"

 

[SnooperDuper]

I agree. SB is absolutely entitled to express her beliefs, but whether it was so intended or not the statement serves to prejudice public sentiment about the accused by suggesting they were possessed by the devil. That is why it need not be repeated. IMO. MOO. IMHO. Alternatively, we could just go for literal interpretations and, in lieu of a trial, we could tie rocks to their bodies, toss them in the river to see if they sink. Witch hunts are still quite popular today in parts of sub Saharan Africa and particularly in South Africa.

http://www.gendercide.org/case_witchhunts.html

"In 1996 The Observer (UK) reported that "the precise statistics are not known, but the deaths from witch-burning episodes number in the hundreds each year and the trend appears to be on the rise." (David Beresford, "Ancient superstitions, fear of witches cast spell on new nation," reprinted in The Ottawa Citizen, June 18, 1996.)"

SB, whose husband was killed, does not deserve our compassion? DM does?

 

[Tamarind]

SB, whose husband was killed, does not deserve our compassion? DM does?

Its not about compassion or where to place it. Its about the fact that SB did not know and really still does not know that he/she/it that she says was on her driveway, murdered anyone. As I have said before, it is possible that they drove to meet someone, or they met someone at a Tim Hortons or that someone showed up at some point when they were looking at the truck or even other possibilities. When you say it was definitely them that were the evil pair it colors public perception. I am not saying that SB cant say whatever likes or feels but when that is continually repeated as someone else has said it becomes like a brainwashing of the public, obviously through no fault of SB, but the media.

Compassion obviously should be placed with those who are victims, whoever they are.

 

[Alethea Dice]

from:
http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/0...reds-gather-to-mourn-murder-victim-tim-bosma/



Had it ended at the word 'driveway', I might agree ... but IMO the smiling denotes interaction between whomever that evil was and SB.

I could maybe agree, except she didn't say it drove Tim away either. What she actually said was:

On May 6th, our lives changed forever. The devil led the vilest form of evil down my driveway and it smiled at me before taking Tim away from me.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamilton/you-will-see-him-again-in-heaven-sharlene-bosma-tells-daughter-1.1329951

Her actual words can be heard at around 1:12 of the memorial video. However, if anyone feels a lack of compassion for SB, I highly recommend watching the entire memorial. And for those who don't understand the religious context of how she was feeling, continue watching and listen to the part about the fireworks.

Her words were in no way intended to prejudice public sentiment. Perhaps that was the reporter's intent by misquoting her, but I'm sure that was the farthest thing from SB's mind. I just find it very unfortunate that the statement that is continually repeated is the sloppy reporter's misquote, rather than Sharlene's own words.

There has been so much rumour and insinuation hinted at by the press that it can be hard to be sure of what is fact and what isn't. We'll have to wait for the trial to know which pieces are true. But for many, the press has already tried the case and won. Which is why media should be fact-checking their sources before going to print. In today's world, it is the media who influence a case and they should be sure that what they are printing is the truth, whether it helps their cause or not.

JMO, MOO and only MO

Edit: That's 1 hour 12 minutes, not 1 minute, into the video.

 

[SnooperDuper]

Its not about compassion or where to place it. Its about the fact that SB did not know and really still does not know that he/she/it that she says was on her driveway, murdered anyone. As I have said before, it is possible that they drove to meet someone, or they met someone at a Tim Hortons or that someone showed up at some point when they were looking at the truck or even other possibilities. When you say it was definitely them that were the evil pair it colors public perception. I am not saying that SB cant say whatever likes or feels but when that is continually repeated as someone else has said it becomes like a brainwashing of the public, obviously through no fault of SB, but the media.

Compassion obviously should be placed with those who are victims, whoever they are.

So DM says he didn't do it.

AG MM says "when this [direct indictment] procedure is supported it's because there is solid evidence that the person being accused will be convicted."

Somebody is lying.

It's probably not MM because that would destroy her life and career.

There is absolutely no downside for DM if he lies. So he lies, lies, lies like a rug.

 

[Alethea Dice]

Its not about compassion or where to place it. Its about the fact that SB did not know and really still does not know that he/she/it that she says was on her driveway, murdered anyone. As I have said before, it is possible that they drove to meet someone, or they met someone at a Tim Hortons or that someone showed up at some point when they were looking at the truck or even other possibilities. When you say it was definitely them that were the evil pair it colors public perception. I am not saying that SB cant say whatever likes or feels but when that is continually repeated as someone else has said it becomes like a brainwashing of the public, obviously through no fault of SB, but the media.

Compassion obviously should be placed with those who are victims, whoever they are.

But she does know that "evil" took her Tim away, no matter who it was. And that was all she said.

 

[deugirtni]

Except only one was alleged to have been killed with a a gun.

I'm not certain it could be proved that TB or LB were killed with a gun, considering the lack of bodies.... unless LE were fortunate enough to discover a matching bullet(s) perhaps during their investigation of the incinerator, Ayr property, etc.

 

[Alethea Dice]

So DM says he didn't do it.

AG MM says "when this [direct indictment] procedure is supported it's because there is solid evidence that the person being accused will be convicted."

Somebody is lying.

It's probably not MM because that would destroy her life and career.

There is absolutely no downside for DM if he lies. So he lies, lies, lies like a rug.

MM's career was already going down the tubes, which is why they removed her and put her into the AG slot. Who knew she could screw up that too. Ontario hasn't had the greatest luck in AG's over the last 10 years or so.

JMO

 

[deugirtni]

You think that SB is only expressing her belief? She was THERE. She saw with her own eyes. I don't think her statement is 'suggesting they were possessed by the devil', I believe her statement meant that those TB left with are pure evil. I think she is entitled to feel that way. Nothing about a witch hunt here. MOO

I agree. SB is absolutely entitled to express her beliefs, but whether it was so intended or not the statement serves to prejudice public sentiment about the accused by suggesting they were possessed by the devil. That is why it need not be repeated. IMO. MOO. IMHO. Alternatively, we could just go for literal interpretations and, in lieu of a trial, we could tie rocks to their bodies, toss them in the river to see if they sink. Witch hunts are still quite popular today in parts of sub Saharan Africa and particularly in South Africa.

http://www.gendercide.org/case_witchhunts.html

"In 1996 The Observer (UK) reported that "the precise statistics are not known, but the deaths from witch-burning episodes number in the hundreds each year and the trend appears to be on the rise." (David Beresford, "Ancient superstitions, fear of witches cast spell on new nation," reprinted in The Ottawa Citizen, June 18, 1996.)"

 

[Alethea Dice]

I'm not certain it could be proved that TB or LB were killed with a gun, considering the lack of bodies.... unless LE were fortunate enough to discover a matching bullet(s) perhaps during their investigation of the incinerator, Ayr property, etc.

Well, the coroner was examining something to try to determine cause of death, according to MSM anyway.

The funeral proceeded without Bosma’s body, which remains at the coroner’s office as a forensic investigation continues. The cause of death has not yet been revealed.

http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2013/05/22/tim_bosma_funeral_he_will_see_us_again_in_heaven_widow_tells_mourners.html

"The cause of death comes from the expertise that comes from the coroner's office," Kavanagh said., noting that the exact cause of death will not be known until that examination is complete.

http://www.thespec.com/news-story/2875368-timothy-bosma-found-dead/

 

[Alethea Dice]

How do we keep ending up in the wrong thread?

 

[Tamarind]

But she does know that "evil" took her Tim away, no matter who it was. And that was all she said.

Exactly, the rest is a media twist on her words.

 

[deugirtni]

Just a question, and not sure if this has been covered on here before?

When it was discovered that WM was dead, purportedly by suicide, and with a gun, one would assume that gun would be still with the body.. so at the time, why would it not have been discovered that the gun was stolen/illegal/etc? Surely LE would have taken it for examination and found its history, and checked also for GSR on the victim and on the person who called it in? Why did it take so long for that gun to become an issue?

I can't seem to tie any alternate theories to 3 distinctly separate deaths. IMO, the only common denominator among the 3 is DM and the victims appear to be peeps who possibly just got in the way of what he wanted in or out of his life.

 

[ABro]

Seriously? So in your world, young people never swim where they shouldn't?

Most 27-year-olds in my world would probably stop and ask themselves if there was a valid reason for swimming to be prohibited.

And males never ever have close friends? Bromance? Really?? :shakehead:

JMO

That's the very definition of a bromance, close male, non-sexual friendship.

Let's also remember that as part of these "friendships" DM was buying everyone dinner and jetskis. In your world, is that what goes on with young people's friendships?

 

[Tamarind]

Most 27-year-olds in my world would probably stop and ask themselves if there was a valid reason for swimming to be prohibited.

As I pointed out earlier, in the video DM questions how they can go into the cave if boats are not allowed. He was told "With a dinghy" It seems DM was the only guy to question how if a sign prohibited boats from entering.JMO

That's the very definition of a bromance, close male, non-sexual friendship.

Let's also remember that as part of these "friendships" DM was buying everyone dinner and jetskis. In your world, is that what goes on with young people's friendships?

There is no evidence from what I have read that he bought everyone dinner in Croatia or that he bought them jetskis. I didn't see any pictures of jetskis in the pics from Croatia ( that were accessible on Facebook)

There seems to be a penchant for assumptions that lack any evidence IMO JMO

 

[robynhood]

JMHO...let's just see how close a look SB got to the ppl she obvious said she saw>>>before her husband TB went out on that test drive ,,,,NEVER TO RETURN as he thought he would ...I am sure she will testify in court and again YOU CAN ALL HEAR IT...and I think those camera on that trusted day Mr. Tim Bosma was taken ...JMHO shall have some trusted photos of the victim and what may have happened...MAYBE those so called perks that intervened shall be seen too...JMO I THINK NOT as I think the accused has GULITY written all over them BUT than JMHO and we shall see IF THERE is a defense ....it never has been shown as far as I have HEARD...JMO and YES this whole thread is looking like the TORI CASE ( JMHO)...I wonder why?????....OMG is all I have to say....the end for now...robynhood

 

[Tamarind]

JMHO...let's just see how close a look SB got to the ppl she obvious said she saw>>>before her husband TB went out on that test drive ,,,,NEVER TO RETURN as he thought he would ...I am sure she will testify in court and again YOU CAN ALL HEAR IT...and I think those camera on that trusted day Mr. Tim Bosma was taken ...JMHO shall have some trusted photos of the victim and what may have happened...MAYBE those so called perks that intervened shall be seen too...JMO I THINK NOT as I think the accused has GULITY written all over them BUT than JMHO and we shall see IF THERE is a defense ....it never has been shown as far as I have HEARD...JMO and YES this whole thread is looking like the TORI CASE ( JMHO)...I wonder why?????....OMG is all I have to say....the end for now...robynhood

It doesn't matter IMO who she says was on her driveway. What matters is where they went and what occurred later that evening or the hours following. Who did they meet, see or interact with, if anyone? Where was this? What happened? SB was not there, she did not witness anything other than two males come for a test drive in the evening when it was dark outside. No matter what she testifies she did not witness any murder.

And with respect, the Tori case was driven by a desire for a child for whatever reason. The child's whole body was found, although violently brutalized. I see no similarity other than someone goes missing and ends up deceased .JMO