Wayne Millard: Dellen Millard Charged With Murder In The First Degree #1

[Tamarind]

Reading about this recent case made me think of TB and LB. Praying for justice.

A 19-year-old woman was burned alive in the US after being beaten and having lighter fluid poured down her throat.

A murder investigation has been launched in Panola County, Mississippi, after Jessica Chambers’ death on Saturday. Her family said she used her last words to describe her killer to paramedics.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...fluid-and-burned-alive-in-the-us-9914925.html

How on earth does that remind you of TB and LB ?just wondering. Who had lighter fluid poured down their throat, who was beaten and who was burned alive? Do you have a link please TIA

I dont believe we have any last words from TB or LB do we? (link please if I missed it) We dont even know that LB is dead.

 

[Tamarind]

Let's not forget that DM at 18 years old (senior high school age level) was taking nudie shots of a girlfriend in his father's hangar. Wonder if he had gotten his diploma by then? JMO

I expect thousands of 18 year old boys have taken nudie shots of girls who were willing, don't you think? I guess this is a change of tactic from him having the alleged bromance that has been alleged.

 

[swedie]

How on earth does that remind you of TB and LB ?just wondering. Who had lighter fluid poured down their throat, who was beaten and who was burned alive? Do you have a link please TIA

I dont believe we have any last words from TB or LB do we? (link please if I missed it) We dont even know that LB is dead.

BBM-Did I say that part reminded me of this case? No. The fact this young lady was set on fire by some sick, evil and twisted person/people, that is what reminded me of this case. HTH. We know TB's remains were found incinerated and a strong speculation LB may have suffered the same fate. Who does that sort of thing to another human being?! Sick, evil, twisted minds that's who IMHO.

As far as bullying goes, whether DM was a bully or bullied or neither of the two is beside the point. Many people bully or are bullied and that does not justify murdering someone and incinerating their body or shooting them in the head. So are you suggesting DM was bullied and therefore he was justified in murdering people? All the excuses in the world for DM will not change the fact he is being charged with three murders. Not just one...but THREE. :O Coincidence? Personally I think not. I would think by now, over a year and a half later, if DM was set up or didn't do these murders, someone else would be rotting away in jail right now and not DM. It certainly will be an interesting trial to see all the evidence stacked against MS, DM and CN. JMHO.

Homicide detectives believe Dellen Millard bought a gun illegally and used it to murder his father. And that he also murdered Laura Babcock and incinerated her body — just as he allegedly did with Tim Bosma.

Police have said they believe Bosma was killed the night he was abducted and his body burned in an animal incinerator at a farm owned by Millard in Ayr, near Kitchener.

AND we will see what this largest computer seizure brings out as far as evidence. Along with the all the other evidence our Attorney General believes that we will see a conviction.

Tony Leitch, the Hamilton Crown attorney prosecuting the Bosma case, says the project involves "one of the largest computer seizures in Ontario criminal law history."

After Millard and Smich were originally arrested, search warrants were executed to seize computers and cellphones which the OPP have analyzed, he says.
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http://www.thespec.com/news-story/4...ed-bosma-killer-s-girlfriend-was-incinerated/

“I’m not going to speak about the case, but when this procedure is supported, it’s because there is good evidence that the person being accused will become convicted,” she said.

http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/201...arantee_verdict_in_tim_bosma_murder_case.html

 

[Tamarind]

BBM-Did I say that part reminded me of this case? No. The fact this young lady was set on fire by some sick, evil and twisted person/people, that is what reminded me of this case. HTH. We know TB's remains were found incinerated and a strong speculation LB may have suffered the same fate. Who does that sort of thing to another human being?! Sick, evil, twisted minds that's who IMHO.

Yes it is better to find out that those people who do these things, are the ones being held responsible, I agree.

As far as bullying goes, whether DM was a bully or bullied or neither of the two is beside the point. Many people bully or are bullied and that does not justify murdering someone and incinerating their body or shooting them in the head. So are you suggesting DM was bullied and therefore he was justified in murdering people? All the excuses in the world for DM will not change the fact he is being charged with three murders. Not just one...but THREE. :O Coincidence? Personally I think not. I would think by now, over a year and a half later, if DM was set up or didn't do these murders, someone else would be rotting away in jail right now and not DM. It certainly will be an interesting trial to see all the evidence stacked against MS, DM and CN. JMHO.

The conversation was discussing whether or not DM was a slacker or whether he was too dense to graduate from high school, which then led to being about whether he was bullied, or not. I don't see where it was about bullying justifying murder ! No excuse has been made for murder. However we need to keep to the facts, he has not been found guilty of murder. Yes I think its a very interesting coincidence that he is charged with what was ruled a suicide, and for the murder of someone whose body has not been found, both being added to an existing charge where there are no witnesses to any murder. Like people here are saying, it will be an interesting trial, we shall have tweets too, live from the courthouse!!

Yes it will be interesting to see how the evidence, whatever that may be, is stacked on both sides IMO.

How would someone else be rotting in jail by now if DM is innocent? Do you think the murderer would have walked into the police station and confessed?

 

[robynhood]

thank you Swede...another excellent post ...that I STRONGLY SUPPORT....JMHO....
Police have said they believe Bosma was killed the night he was abducted and his body burned in an animal incinerator at a farm owned by Millard in Ayr, near Kitchener.

...." AND we will see what this largest computer seizure brings out as far as evidence. Along with the all the other evidence our Attorney General believes that we will see a conviction." from swede post above me!

"Tony Leitch, the Hamilton Crown attorney prosecuting the Bosma case, says the project involves "one of the largest computer seizures in Ontario criminal law history."....Very curious to see all of this in COURT>>>JMHO

...I do believe they have to evidence...TONS....BUT that is JMHO...evidence beyond a reasonable doubt that will be present ....Like we saw in The TORI CASE....and than everyone shut up quick on websleuther here ...and that is what a few of us have been referring to on the Tori case.......JMHO....so here is what many of us have been talking about....NOT THE CASE ...but How everything changed real quick when it hit OUR ONTARIO Courts...NOW THAT IS JMHO so do not jump all over me..making it clearer here only...AGAIN IT IS NOT THE CASE BUT THE evidence that comes out clear IN COURT....again JMHO...robynhood...!:jail:

 

[matou]

Interesting new ruling r.e. cellphone evidence:

OTTAWA—In a narrowly split 4-3 ruling that runs counter to the law in the United States, the Supreme Court of Canada has upheld strong powers for police to conduct warrantless searches of a suspect’s cellphone upon arrest.
All seven judges who heard the Ontario challenge said cellphones and other personal digital devices contain a wealth of private information and may be locked and password-protected.
But Justice Thomas Cromwell, writing for the majority, said an individual’s privacy interest in their cellphone — whether locked or unlocked — is outweighed by law enforcement objectives at the time an arrest.
He said police searches of cellphones can aid officers “identify and mitigate risks to public safety; locate firearms or stolen goods; identify accomplices; locate and preserve evidence; prevent suspects from evading or resisting law enforcement; locate the other perpetrators; warn officers of possible impending danger; and follow leads promptly.”

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/..._police_to_search_cellphones_upon_arrest.html

I wonder if this could have hastened the arrest of Smich, Ward-Jackson and Noudga? Also, the new charges r.e. WM and LB

 

[Sillybilly]

Yes I think its a very interesting coincidence that he is charged with what was ruled a suicide, and for the murder of someone whose body has not been found, both being added to an existing charge where there are no witnesses to any murder. Like people here are saying, it will be an interesting trial, we shall have tweets too, live from the courthouse!!

Yes it will be interesting to see how the evidence, whatever that may be, is stacked on both sides IMO.

How would someone else be rotting in jail by now if DM is innocent? Do you think the murderer would have walked into the police station and confessed?

<rsbm>

You don't need witnesses if there is enough direct forensic evidence and circumstantial evidence.

Someone else could be in jail by now if DM had told his "story behind this" to LE .. same story that his lawyer "can't get into" and which might exonerate DM if it is plausible enough. Or perhaps DM is saving his story as a last ditch effort when he takes the stand .. but if the "story" is good enough, he should have spilled the beans by now and have been sprung.

Example, DLS who was charged with first degree murder in the case of Audrey Gleave. As soon as there was enough information/evidence to point away from DLS (iirc, approx. 2 months later), charges were dropped and he was released. Why is DM still sitting in his cell, not having such luck with coming up with the story that has the potential to exonerate him?

 

[Sillybilly]

Interesting new ruling r.e. cellphone evidence:

<rsbm>

Wondering if "cellphones and other personal digital devices" includes personal computers. (Thinking back to Rafferty's computer and the fiasco with the lack of a separate warrant on it.)

 

[Tamarind]

Interesting new ruling r.e. cellphone evidence:

OTTAWA—In a narrowly split 4-3 ruling that runs counter to the law in the United States, the Supreme Court of Canada has upheld strong powers for police to conduct warrantless searches of a suspect’s cellphone upon arrest.
All seven judges who heard the Ontario challenge said cellphones and other personal digital devices contain a wealth of private information and may be locked and password-protected.
But Justice Thomas Cromwell, writing for the majority, said an individual’s privacy interest in their cellphone — whether locked or unlocked — is outweighed by law enforcement objectives at the time an arrest.
He said police searches of cellphones can aid officers “identify and mitigate risks to public safety; locate firearms or stolen goods; identify accomplices; locate and preserve evidence; prevent suspects from evading or resisting law enforcement; locate the other perpetrators; warn officers of possible impending danger; and follow leads promptly.”


http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/..._police_to_search_cellphones_upon_arrest.html

I wonder if this could have hastened the arrest of Smich, Ward-Jackson and Noudga? Also, the new charges r.e. WM and LB

Judge Cromwell could not have had a better name really !! JMO Just a little history here if anyone is interested, not saying the judge is anything like his namesake, although his ruling struck a cord JMO

"Cromwell was one of the signatories of King Charles I's death warrant in 1649, and, as a member of the Rump Parliament (1649–53), he dominated the short-lived Commonwealth of England. He was selected to take command of the English campaign in Ireland in 1649–50. Cromwell's forces defeated the Confederate and Royalist coalition in Ireland and occupied the country – bringing to an end the Irish Confederate Wars. During this period a series of Penal Laws were passed against Roman Catholics (a significant minority in England and Scotland but the vast majority in Ireland), and a substantial amount of their land was confiscated. Cromwell also led a campaign against the Scottish army between 1650 and 1651.

On 20 April 1653 he dismissed the Rump Parliament by force, setting up a short-lived nominated assembly known as Barebone's Parliament, before being invited by his fellow leaders to rule as Lord Protector of England, Wales, Scotland and Ireland from 16 December 1653.[2] As a ruler he executed an aggressive and effective foreign policy. After his death from natural causes in 1658 he was buried in Westminster Abbey, but after the Royalists returned to power in 1660 they had his corpse dug up, hung in chains, and beheaded.
Cromwell is one of the most controversial figures in the history of the British Isles, considered a regicidal dictator by historians such as David Sharp,[3] a military dictator by Winston Churchill,

Not to mention the rights that the judges ruling seems to infringe upon, but thats for another time. JMO I wouldn't be at all surprised to see rulings made to make things easier for obtaining private property in answer to your question matouJMO

 

[Tamarind]

<rsbm>

Wondering if "cellphones and other personal digital devices" includes personal computers. (Thinking back to Rafferty's computer and the fiasco with the lack of a separate warrant on it.)

You think the ruling is retroactive then? It would need to be wouldn't it if applying to this case?

 

[Tamarind]

<rsbm>

You don't need witnesses if there is enough direct forensic evidence and circumstantial evidence.

that remains to be seen doesn't it?

Someone else could be in jail by now if DM had told his "story behind this" to LE .. same story that his lawyer "can't get into" and which might exonerate DM if it is plausible enough. Or perhaps DM is saving his story as a last ditch effort when he takes the stand .. but if the "story" is good enough, he should have spilled the beans by now and have been sprung.

Did you not watch the Don't Talk to Police videos that are here on Websleuths? They clearly and precisely explain why NO ONE should talk to police even if innocent !

Example, DLS who was charged with first degree murder in the case of Audrey Gleave. As soon as there was enough information/evidence to point away from DLS (iirc, approx. 2 months later), charges were dropped and he was released. Why is DM still sitting in his cell, not having such luck with coming up with the story that has the potential to exonerate him?

 

[swedie]

Yes it is better to find out that those people who do these things, are the ones being held responsible, I agree.



The conversation was discussing whether or not DM was a slacker or whether he was too dense to graduate from high school, which then led to being about whether he was bullied, or not. I don't see where it was about bullying justifying murder ! No excuse has been made for murder. However we need to keep to the facts, he has not been found guilty of murder. Yes I think its a very interesting coincidence that he is charged with what was ruled a suicide, and for the murder of someone whose body has not been found, both being added to an existing charge where there are no witnesses to any murder. Like people here are saying, it will be an interesting trial, we shall have tweets too, live from the courthouse!!

How would someone else be rotting in jail by now if DM is innocent? Do you think the murderer would have walked into the police station and confessed?

Yes it will be interesting to see how the evidence, whatever that may be, is stacked on both sides IMO.

You responded to my post asking for clarification re: Jessica C. ...subject change.

I could probably agree with the bold above. Be forewarned, subject matter may change at any given time. Apparently according to the prosecution and AG, DM has been found guilty via evidence, it just hasn't gone through the judicial system yet and made public. WM's death was still an open investigation at the time of TB's murder. It may have been deemed a suicide originally but again apparently upon further investigation, new evidence has been discovered to change WM's death from suicide to murder. Unfortunately we are no privy to this new evidence...yet. Although LE may not have LB's body, we've heard the evidence they do have determined she is no longer alive. LE would not tell LB's parents their daughter is no longer alive if they didn't have the evidence to prove she is deceased. We don't even know it LE has divulged this information to her parents of recent. Do you know there are no witnesses? FWIW LE have not released a lot of evidence to the MSM to protect the case. LE would have the evidence to show someone else was involved ruling out DM. MOO.

 

[Tamarind]

Yes it will be interesting to see how the evidence, whatever that may be, is stacked on both sides IMO.

You responded to my post asking for clarification re: Jessica C. ...subject change.

I could probably agree with the bold above. Be forewarned, subject matter may change at any given time. Apparently according to the prosecution and AG, DM has been found guilty via evidence, it just hasn't gone through the judicial system yet and made public. WM's death was still an open investigation at the time of TB's murder. It may have been deemed a suicide originally but again apparently upon further investigation, new evidence has been discovered to change WM's death from suicide to murder. Unfortunately we are no privy to this new evidence...yet. Although LE may not have LB's body, we've heard the evidence they do have determined she is no longer alive. LE would not tell LB's parents their daughter is no longer alive if they didn't have the evidence to prove she is deceased. We don't even know it LE has divulged this information to her parents of recent. Do you know there are no witnesses? FWIW LE have not released a lot of evidence to the MSM to protect the case. LE would have the evidence to show someone else was involved ruling out DM. MOO.

I can't go into detail but I know of a few cases where the crown has proceeded on guess work and on a database that is almost never up to date. People may be surprised at how little they need to lay charges. They often use paid or anonymous informants but don't tell you that anonymous informants can be anyone who calls crime stoppers or someone who has been PAID to inform, or at least claim to know something. The fact is that anonymous informant could have been one of their own. Just pointing out the obvious, FWIW IMO

 

[Alethea Dice]

Apparently according to the prosecution and AG, DM has been found guilty via evidence, it just hasn't gone through the judicial system yet and made public.

Wow, that's a pretty bold interpretation. I suppose the AG would like it pointed out that she did generalize by saying she would not speak about the case.

“I’m not going to speak about the case, but when this procedure is supported, it’s because there is good evidence that the person being accused will become convicted,” she said.

http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2014/07/16/immediate_trial_doesnt_guarantee_verdict_in_tim_bosma_murder_case.html

WM's death was still an open investigation at the time of TB's murder.

I'm not 100% sure about that, even though most reports like to just say it's "still open". Tricky wording there by the coroner's office. If it had never been closed, one has to wonder why they wouldn't just say that.

“His death is still under investigation,” said Cheryl Mahyr, issues manager for the coroner’s office. “So it’s still open and has not yet concluded.”
Despite the case remaining open, the Riverside Cemetery & Cremation Centre in Toronto confirmed Millard’s body was cremated and is interred at an unknown location.
The coroner’s office did not clarify if the case had been concluded and then reopened or what impact the cremation would have on an ongoing investigation.

http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2013/05/17/tim_bosma_ancaster_man_was_killed_inside_truck_source_says.html

JMO

 

[robynhood]

I am going to repeat myself...PUBLICATION BAN....as you all know is in place to protect the evidence for this going to TRIAL}}}this has been seen before ....Yes it concerns me that LB Parents have not seen her body...BUT I AGREE again with swede above..." I belive ..IMPO...there is a reason that they have said that she is not alive.....I also believe there is evidence tio justify this claim BUT CANNOT be revealed before trial.....again the evidence is there....POLICE have the goods....charges and 3 MURDER charges.....coincidence...I agree I do not think so...go and try and keep on explaining it..HMMMMMMMMMMMMMM bird's fall out of the sky so DM has a inciderator on his property....all I can say is OMG already ...JMHO....and you are welcome to yours too...with all do respect...but when the evidence is heard in the fall of 2015...this room shall go SILENT.....JMHO...and why is DM sitting in JAIL IF HE HAS such a good story ....MOST PPL would be singing like rock'in robyn...see ya all soon as I tweet in the evidence ASP when the trail starts...my pleasure ...so we all Know the TRUTH...amen to SHarlene Bosma.....robynhood////

 

[Tamarind]

I am going to repeat myself...PUBLICATION BAN....as you all know is in place to protect the evidence for this going to TRIAL}}}this has been seen before ....Yes it concerns me that LB Parents have not seen her body...BUT I AGREE again with swede above..." I belive ..IMPO...there is a reason that they have said that she is not alive.....I also believe there is evidence tio justify this claim BUT CANNOT be revealed before trial.....again the evidence is there....POLICE have the goods....charges and 3 MURDER charges.....coincidence...I agree I do not think so...go and try and keep on explaining it..HMMMMMMMMMMMMMM bird's fall out of the sky so DM has a inciderator on his property....all I can say is OMG already ...JMHO....and you are welcome to yours too...with all do respect...but when the evidence is heard in the fall of 2015...this room shall go SILENT.....JMHO...and why is DM sitting in JAIL IF HE HAS such a good story ....MOST PPL would be singing like rock'in robyn...see ya all soon as I tweet in the evidence ASP when the trail starts...my pleasure ...so we all Know the TRUTH...amen to SHarlene Bosma.....robynhood////

At risk of repeating myself again,sorry, the why of him being in jail and not speaking may be answered here on Websleuths with the Do Not Talk to Police videos. HTH

You are free to believe whatever you like robynhood no problem there, I can see you have a whole lot of beliefs and assumptions. Yes you are right birds do fall out of the sky, there were a few cases in the last five years alone in Arkansas, New Jersey and I think Texas among other places. Just type dead bird falling from sky into you tube. Strange things really do happen. IMO

 

[Sillybilly]

You think the ruling is retroactive then? It would need to be wouldn't it if applying to this case?

Um .. no? I said I wondered if it would cover personal computers and was thinking back to what happened in the Rafferty case. I wasn't applying it to this case ... guess it just struck a chord

 

[Sillybilly]

that remains to be seen doesn't it? ...

My first statement was a simple fact that relates to any case, not just this one.

Did you not watch the Don't Talk to Police videos that are here on Websleuths? They clearly and precisely explain why NO ONE should talk to police even if innocent !

I don't need videos to know about the concept of not talking to police. That is basically when a person is arrested and prior to getting a lawyer. It's quite simple really ... if the person has a believable story with valid information or evidence to substantiate it, they can explain everything they know to their lawyer, and the lawyer works on his clients behalf to explain to the Crown why they have the wrong guy.

After my stepfather was murdered, we didn't need lawyers to explain to them what we knew, where we were and what we were doing at the time he was murdered. We told the truth, had no reasons to be arrested, and years later the guilty party was arrested, sentenced to life, and ultimately died in prison.

Truth is a funny thing, eh? It would be a frosty day in July that I would sit in a jail cell going on 2 years with information that could exonerate me on a first degree murder charge if I knew the truth, knew who was responsible, and could tell/show my accusers they are wrong.

 

[Archangel7]

My first statement was a simple fact that relates to any case, not just this one.



I don't need videos to know about the concept of not talking to police. That is basically when a person is arrested and prior to getting a lawyer. It's quite simple really ... if the person has a believable story with valid information or evidence to substantiate it, they can explain everything they know to their lawyer, and the lawyer works on his clients behalf to explain to the Crown why they have the wrong guy.

After my stepfather was murdered, we didn't need lawyers to explain to them what we knew, where we were and what we were doing at the time he was murdered. We told the truth, had no reasons to be arrested, and years later the guilty party was arrested, sentenced to life, and ultimately died in prison.

Truth is a funny thing, eh? It would be a frosty day in July that I would sit in a jail cell going on 2 years with information that could exonerate me on a first degree murder charge if I knew the truth, knew who was responsible, and could tell/show my accusers they are wrong.

Amen. If you are interviewed and have to worry about the police in an honest truthful interview, you and your country have WAY more to worry about than what you might be charged with.

 

[Sillybilly]

Amen. If you are interviewed and have to worry about the police in an honest truthful interview, you and your country have WAY more to worry about than what you might be charged with.

Archangel !!! Where ya been ? Great to see you here again :biggrin: