Wayne Millard: Dellen Millard Charged With Murder In The First Degree #1

[SnooperDuper]

So he suddenly turned into a serial killer at the age of 27?, proceeded to possibly off LB, although no body has been found. He then decides to off his dad and then invite his mother and ex over to view the scene. He then plans some type of thrilling type murder while in the company of one , two or more friends who can witness the event, he then puts the remains of a body on his farm and the truck at his moms, and in the process he decides to leave an incinerator close to remains which mysteriously moves by itself at some point to another position according to neighbors who just happened to notice this from the roadside or while trespassing across property at this particular time.

That is some planning ! Who plans a murder to have at least two witnesses, leaves the remains of a body close to an incinerator on their own property and then drives several miles to take the truck to his own mothers driveway? I can think of a few other plans that would have been less conspicuous that that one, if someone was intent on murder. It doesn't add up for me.

I don't think anyone plans to make mistakes, but DM and MS obviously made a lot of them. If you don't excel at school or work, then what makes it likely that you will excel at crime?

Perhaps what happened at some point in time is that DM and MS became close and they fed off each other an encouraged each other along a path that led to this misadventure. You know, perhaps one fateful day MS showed up with his milk crates, his gf and a copy of Dave Chappelle's Half Baked and set up residence in the basement, and that was the beginning of the end. Next thing they're watching Fargo and using their marahoochie-induced superior intellect to plan the perfect crime. Oh, and those violent online games...

DM fancies himself a deep-plotting, deep-thinking kind of guy.

Maybe he's all that, and just a kid, and only as smart as a 27 year old is.

 

[ABro]

Yes, it's an interesting question if he is a psychopath. If he isn't, an interesting question might be why is it important that people believe he is a psychopth? I use "he", when in fact, I mean "they" because in this case the joint charges suggest more than one such clinically disordered mentality was at work.

There appear to be two types of people in the world.

Type 1 are people who get suspicious of a guy with a body on his farm, a livestock incinerator and no livestock, a murder victim's truck at his mother's, a disappeared ex-lover whose last phone calls were to him, a recently deceased father shot through the eye, stolen vehicles on his property, etc.. They also believe that a possible explanation for all of the above is that the guy in question's a psycho.

Type 2 are the people who aren't the slightest bit bothered by the body, the incinerator, the truck, the missing ex-lover, the dead father, stolen cars, etc. They don't think it bears explaining or that, if it absolutely must be explained, the poor guy was obviously framed by strange shadowy figures who cannot be named -- or by his mechanic, who's mysteriously selling off the guy's jetskis and cars without permission while his mother sits quietly by.

 

[ABro]

Maybe he's all that, and just a kid, and only as smart as a 27 year old is.

Let's not call 27-year-olds kids.

I've known lots of smart 27-year-olds in my time -- and lots of not-so-smart ones.

 

[Carli]

If he is, an interesting question might be why is it important that people believe he isn't a psychopath (sic)?

Do most people choose to disbelieve the medical diagnosis of a psychiatric professional?

 

[swedie]

Ya know. If you and your buddies have no aversion to stealing vehicles, equipment etc and have decided to start a little thrill kill gang that involved disposing of bodies in a chicken incinerator, why wouldn't you steal that item? I mean shaving VIN numbers of a stolen vehicle is one thing, but sending in a purchase order with your name and address for that home incinerator that you intend to use to dispose of murdered bodies seems to be a warrantless risk. But then again, we've been told the accused men are not as smart as some would have them made out to be so maybe this oversight figures in as just another dumb thing? MOO. IMHO

I suspected the chop shop business came after the murder of WM. But then again, could it have been WM paid a visit to the hangar after a call from AS, found all the vehicles and clued into what was going on? Did WM threatening to turn him in or kick him out and DM had to shut him up?

I suggest DM will try and pull the incinerator purchase off by claiming it was going to aid him, on his property, in preparation for building his dream house. Why not steal one? Maybe because they are hard to come by? And not to forget, dear old dad was still alive when the incinerator was purchased and I wouldn't doubt it was dear old dad's money which was used to purchase it. MOO.

Wonder what information/evidence LE were able to gather from the surveillance video Marty turned over to them. And if he was getting calls as he stated, LE would have been able to retrieve his phone records also, to determine who the people were showing interest in his HD. MOO.

Hamilton police confirmed Thursday they're investigating multiple stolen vehicles and parts found inside the massive Breslau hangar.

One of the vehicles was a $35,000 Harley Davidson motorcycle advertised on Kijiji last fall. The bike was Marty M's and it sat inside his trailer when both were stolen from the driveway behind his home on King Street East in Toronto shortly after he pulled the advertisement.

http://www.thespec.com/news-story/3250204-murder-suspect-s-waterloo-hangar-set-up-as-chop-shop-/

Sources say hundreds of vehicles have been found in a hangar.

In Marty's case, the bike was in dozens of pieces. Serial numbers had been shaved away and the trailer had already been registered as a homemade trailer within hours after the theft.

"It has been chopped down big time, parts have been painted," Marty said. "There are lots of pieces missing and Hamilton Police have been fantastic in trying to find them all for me."

What the thieves may not have known is Marty put an extra sticker on the bike's seat with the serial number.

Thanks to that, he has three-quarters of the bike back now and is hopeful more of it will be found.

He managed to secure some surveillance video which he turned over to Toronto Police.

"Perhaps that tape will have some good information on it for the current investigation," Marty said. "I don't know if it was ever looked at."

The hair on the back of his neck stands up when he thinks about it. He had put the bike for sale on Kijiji "more to test the market."

But when he started getting calls about it, he changed his mind.

http://www.torontosun.com/2013/05/30/stolen-harley-found-on-property-of-accused-tim-bosma-killer

 

[ABro]

Do most people choose to disbelieve the medical diagnosis of a psychiatric professional?

No idea. In my case, it depends on who the shrink is and what their track record is like.

Perhaps you're also familiar with the concept of getting a second medical opinion?

 

[Tamarind]

Or possibly just because he got away with a first and second time and felt he had become invincible.

About as possible as someone disliking DM, killing a girl DM knows, offing DM's dad and stalking DM with a view to kill him.

For all we know DM may have been the target. JMO

 

[Tamarind]

No idea. In my case, it depends on who the shrink is and what their track record is like.

Perhaps you're also familiar with the concept of getting a second medical opinion?

I think its always good to get opinions on most things. You can separate the real from the junk. I prefer to base an opinion on gut instinct at times rather than some professional who claims to have all the answers. There are some marvelous doctors and some very shady ones. IMO

 

[Tamarind]

Don't make the mistake of assigning DM (or any other apprehended sk) a superior intellect beyond other killers that have been caught because they made stupid mistakes.

Stupid mistakes! He would need to have had a gun to his head to make mistakes like that IMO. Maybe he did!

 

[ABro]

About as possible as someone disliking DM, killing a girl DM knows, offing DM's dad and stalking DM with a view to kill him.

For all we know DM may have been the target. JMO

And don't forget the part where DM stays silent about his murderous enemy, preferring to spend years behind bars.

Why does he do that again? Oh yes, someone's going to threaten his mother, isn't that it?

But you know DM has many police connections who could help out. (modsnip) Strange that he didn't talk to any of them either before or after his arrest.

And, assuming, DM does prove his innocence, will his murderous enemy magically disappear and take the gun away from his head?

Will DM ever tell us who really did it? Or will he flee the country and just let the real murderer get away with it?

What's your gut telling you?

 

[Carli]

There appear to be two types of people in the world.

Type 1 are people who get suspicious of a guy with a body on his farm, a livestock incinerator and no livestock, a murder victim's truck at his mother's, a disappeared ex-lover whose last phone calls were to him, a recently deceased father shot through the eye, stolen vehicles on his property, etc.. They also believe that a possible explanation for all of the above is that the guy in question's a psycho.

Type 2 are the people who aren't the slightest bit bothered by the body, the incinerator, the truck, the missing ex-lover, the dead father, stolen cars, etc. They don't think it bears explaining or that, if it absolutely must be explained, the poor guy was obviously framed by strange shadowy figures who cannot be named -- or by his mechanic, who's mysteriously selling off the guy's jetskis and cars without permission while his mother sits quietly by.

I guess that sums up your opinion. Personally, I prefer there to be one kind of person when it comes to an examination of most issues especially public wrongdoing that involves criminal charges. That is the kind of person who waits to hear the evidence placed before a duly constituted court and the rebuttal put forward by a proper defense. Until then, IMO an accused should be afforded every benefit of the doubt when it comes to charges laid against him.

To that end, some members of the public may feel compelled to gather together a clearer grasp of the whole picture - trying to make sense of the very few known details and seeking out more information, regardless of whether its in favour of the prosecution or the defense. MOO. IMHO. It is, after all, the duty of the public to keep a close eye on its judiciary and the processes of a fair trial.

A neutral, unbiased and unencumbered point of view, IMO, lies at the heart of any kind of successful information gathering and research. MOO. IMHO. In this particular case now is not yet the time for answers, IMO. The time for questions is still far from over. MOO.

I would have to admit that having to defend this cautious approach from baffling attacks and perfunctory challenges is sometimes annoying and at best amusing but then there have only ever been the smallest tidbits of information about these three cases, so a bit of virtual eyeball scratching over contrary interpretations is completely understandable. IMO. IMHO.

 

[Sillybilly]

About as possible as someone disliking DM, killing a girl DM knows, offing DM's dad and stalking DM with a view to kill him.

For all we know DM may have been the target. JMO

Well then, add it to the list you started (which is what I added to).

It's been asked .. and asked ... who are these unknown people? Usually when people dislike someone that much, they kill that person, not all the innocent people around them. Sooooo, somewhere out there is a really, really stupid killer who is stalking/targeting DM but for some stupid reason just can't seem to kill him, while intellectually superior DM sits in jail charged with all those crimes that the stupid guy did.

okay

 

[Sillybilly]

Stupid mistakes! He would need to have had a gun to his head to make mistakes like that IMO. Maybe he did!

It seems we're back to square one where, because all the crumbs points to the dude who's sitting in jail, he must be innocent. The antithesis of that would be that if all things point away from a person, they must be guilty. Hmmm

 

[Variant]

It's a theory put forth by Team Dellen.



Where on earth are you getting this info about DM having very little contact with his mother? DM's parents had joint 50/50custody after the split.

DM also had plenty of contact with his cousins on his mother's side. He and the police officer's daughter rode together at his family's farm. The daughter later lived at Riverside Drive.




Well, the fiancee's mother is on the no-contact list for the Wayne and Laura Babcock murders, which would suggest she does indeed have some kind of inside information. AFAIK, she also continues to be very supportive Of DM and his mother. It seems she would be an obvious person to reach out to about a giant conspiracy and frame-up.

With all these family connections to the police, it seems DM should at least be able to get someone in LE to look at his version of events.

Do you know if the fiancée is beyond access by the investigators and court?

 

[Tamarind]

And don't forget the part where DM stays silent about his murderous enemy, preferring to spend years behind bars.

Why does he do that again? Oh yes, someone's going to threaten his mother, isn't that it?

?? Not sure about the mother thing, but DM would need to know about the murderous enemy before he stayed silent about him. I'm just throwing possibilities out there, anything that may help solve the case.

But you know DM has many police connections who could help out. An uncle was high up in Peel police. And his fiancee's parents were both cops. Strange that he didn't talk to any of them either before or after his arrest.

Maybe he knew he was innocent, and felt no need to talk about something that didnt concern him, or that he had no knowledge of.

And, assuming, DM does prove his innocence, will his murderous enemy magically disappear and take the gun away from his head?

I have no idea, we are talking possibilities only here and while he is in jail I imagine the gun is a fair distance from his head. Maybe that's why he is staying there. Just another possibility.

Will DM ever tell us who really did it? Or will he flee the country and just let the real murderer get away with it?

He would need to know who did it wouldn't he? Maybe he doesn't know- another possibility.

What's your gut telling you?

It tells me to keep digging away and discard anything that makes light of all possibilities. Stick with what makes sense and stay away from embellishments, thats what it tells me mostly.

 

[ABro]

Do you know if the fiancée is beyond access by the investigators and court?

She's currently living outside of the country but I haven't heard anything to suggest she's an uncooperative witness. Given that she was present when Wayne's body was found, it's hard to envision that she wouldn't eventually be called as a witness if there ever is a trial for that murder.

As I've mentioned before, however, I don't think there are going to be second and third trials.

 

[Tamarind]

Do you know if the fiancée is beyond access by the investigators and court?

She would have to come willingly I would think. If she lives in another jurisdiction I a not so sure a subpoena would be that easy.

But an affidavit might work , JMO

 

[Tamarind]

Why do you doubt? Just curious.

I have mentioned my gut instinct before.

 

[bessie]

If you can't link it, don't post it, nor post about it.

 

[Carli]

But you know DM has many police connections who could help out. (modsnip) Strange that he didn't talk to any of them either before or after his arrest.

I'm not sure how having police connections in the family would help you if you're incarcerated for murder. At least I hope they wouldn't. How do we know DM hasn't reached out to these connections, or they to him?