Wayne Millard: Dellen Millard Charged With Murder In The First Degree #1

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ABro: Of course we have no way of knowing where Carli got this information that DM was raised by his father from early childhood. I do hope she shares it with us.

Actually, I couldn't remember either. So I had to Google "Dellen Millard" "raised by father". It's the first hit.
http://www.thespec.com/news-story/4...as-the-person-i-loved-the-most-in-the-world-/

"By his own accounts, Dellen Millard had a loving relationship with his father, Wayne, and shared a passion for flying.
His parents divorced when he was young and he was raised by his father, the scion of an aviation industry magnate. "


HTH.
 
  • #1,042
Actually, I couldn't remember either. So I had to Google "Dellen Millard" "raised by father". It's the first hit.
http://www.thespec.com/news-story/4...as-the-person-i-loved-the-most-in-the-world-/

"By his own accounts, Dellen Millard had a loving relationship with his father, Wayne, and shared a passion for flying.
His parents divorced when he was young and he was raised by his father, the scion of an aviation industry magnate. "


HTH.

That article is a compilation of facts already reported by others. It contains no original reporting.

I strongly suspect the claim that DM was raised by his father is an erroneous assumption made by the reporter.
 
  • #1,043
I'm not sure how having police connections in the family would help you if you're incarcerated for murder. At least I hope they wouldn't. How do we know DM hasn't reached out to these connections, or they to him?

Call me crazy but if I was wrongly arrested for murder and I had police relatives and friends who could advise me on how to go about clearing my name, I would certainly want to hear from them. Please note that this is not the same thing as asking them to pervert the course of justice.

I have no idea if either DM or his mother has reached out to his many police connections. It strikes me as strange if they haven't.

My point was that, between the top-notch legal team and the police connections, one would think that if DM were merely being framed, this would have all been resolved by now.
 
  • #1,044
I'm not sure how having police connections in the family would help you if you're incarcerated for murder. At least I hope they wouldn't. How do we know DM hasn't reached out to these connections, or they to him?

There have been verified LE on the forum and they have been very helpful in explaining the meaning of terms and the process, etc. so I would say it would be quite helpful to know someone in the field if you have trouble with the law, just to help you navigate the system, especially in the first moments after arrest. Of course DP already knew DM through another client, which DP mentioned on a news morning show shortly after DM's arrest. I can only guess that that client was MWJ. Of course, through knowing MS and MWJ, DM would have other guides to the legal system available to him as both MS and MWJ have criminal records.

So if you were DM and were wrongly accused, who would you turn to upon your arrest?

- All the LE in your family circle?
- Your 🤬🤬🤬🤬 associates and their lawyer, DP?

It could have been, a very respected family spokesperson stood up to defend DM publicly...but instead it was DP. Why?
 
  • #1,045
Daniel Nolan appears to be an experienced journalist and a regular political and general assignment reporter on the Spec staff. It seems to me most "news" is made up of compilations these days as any cruise through the headline news of the hour readily confirms. How a reader can tell what is "original", what is "spin" and is what is "speculation" is utterly beyond me. MOO. IMHO.

I see another very higly respected reporter, Jill Hahoney, for the Globe writes "Wayne’s remains were cremated. Dellen and his mother – who was divorced from his father but was on good terms with him – held a memorial reception at a restaurant north of Toronto in mid-December."

I guess we can infer that one or other of the two must be right.

Do you happen to know how old DM was when his parents divorced?
 
  • #1,046
I suspected the chop shop business came after the murder of WM. But then again, could it have been WM paid a visit to the hangar after a call from AS, found all the vehicles and clued into what was going on? Did WM threatening to turn him in or kick him out and DM had to shut him up?

I suggest DM will try and pull the incinerator purchase off by claiming it was going to aid him, on his property, in preparation for building his dream house. Why not steal one? Maybe because they are hard to come by? And not to forget, dear old dad was still alive when the incinerator was purchased and I wouldn't doubt it was dear old dad's money which was used to purchase it. MOO.

Wonder what information/evidence LE were able to gather from the surveillance video Marty turned over to them. And if he was getting calls as he stated, LE would have been able to retrieve his phone records also, to determine who the people were showing interest in his HD. MOO.

Hamilton police confirmed Thursday they're investigating multiple stolen vehicles and parts found inside the massive Breslau hangar.

One of the vehicles was a $35,000 Harley Davidson motorcycle advertised on Kijiji last fall. The bike was Marty M's and it sat inside his trailer when both were stolen from the driveway behind his home on King Street East in Toronto shortly after he pulled the advertisement.


http://www.thespec.com/news-story/3250204-murder-suspect-s-waterloo-hangar-set-up-as-chop-shop-/

Sources say hundreds of vehicles have been found in a hangar.



rsbm

You missed this part from the article you're quoting.

Police say they're still trying to track down owners of the discovered vehicles, putting the number found at fewer than 10.

I guess they found the owners of the other vehicles since they allowed them to be sold. If you have a list of "stolen" vehicles, other than the bike and trailer, and a link to support it, please share it.

I believe it was reported that it was an employee of MillardAir who handled the purchase of the incinerator. What if is was "dear old dad" himself who authorized the purchase?
 
  • #1,047
rsbm

You missed this part from the article you're quoting.



I guess they found the owners of the other vehicles since they allowed them to be sold. If you have a list of "stolen" vehicles, other than the bike and trailer, and a link to support it, please share it.

I believe it was reported that it was an employee of MillardAir who handled the purchase of the incinerator. What if is was "dear old dad" himself who authorized the purchase?

It's also been reported that DM bought the incinerator http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Crime/2013/05/16/20829241.html
 
  • #1,048
That article is a compilation of facts already reported by others. It contains no original reporting.

I strongly suspect the claim that DM was raised by his father is an erroneous assumption made by the reporter.

Well we also have this one that says he grew up and lived with his father.

Dellen Millard, who grew up and lived in the Maple Gate Ct. bungalow with his father, was interviewed in that case and wrote an effusive obituary that appeared in the Star.

And this one that says it was his father who dropped him off at school.

And that he rarely visited his mother's house.

Neighbours say Millard rarely visited his mother's house.

http://www.thespec.com/news-story/2879468-neighbours-miss-dellen-millard-s-quiet-mother/

I guess many choose to believe the articles that agree with their ideas and discard the ones that don't as incorrect assumptions.
 
  • #1,049
rsbm

You missed this part from the article you're quoting.



I guess they found the owners of the other vehicles since they allowed them to be sold. If you have a list of "stolen" vehicles, other than the bike and trailer, and a link to support it, please share it.

I believe it was reported that it was an employee of MillardAir who handled the purchase of the incinerator. What if is was "dear old dad" himself who authorized the purchase?

Interesting idea. Your son plans to build a home on a large rural acreage that includes low lying swampish land, trees in the high area which might be a marvelous home site, except that it also lacks a driveway down to the road, and the property also has trash left over from the previous owners use of the property as an active farm.

An Ontario government website has some practical ideas about how to handle this sort of situation, at https://www.ontario.ca/law-and-safety/how-burn-grass-and-woody-debris-safely

It has many pointers, including directions for:

How to build a safe incinerator

Consider chipping or composting brush or grass before burning. If you must burn, make sure you know the rules. If you burn forest litter or woody debris often, build and use a good incinerator.

  • select a site at least 5 metres from anything that could catch on fire (e.g. trees, overhanging branches, buildings, piles of debris)
  • clear an area 2 metres around the incinerator down to mineral soil
  • use a metal barrel in good condition
  • monitor any fire burning in the incinerator
And, of course, be on hand to make sure the fire is finally out.

You already have the chipper. Good. However, on this large property, building a stationary incinerator will mean that DM (or whoever) has to haul all the debris from the various corners of the property and stay there to continuously monitor the burning. What's needed is a portable incinerator that can be dragged from place to place and the incineration can be monitored at the same time that brush is being cleared.

Sounds like a good plan to me. MOO. IMHO.

Hopefully, if instead the incinerator was used to dispose of murdered bodies, the prosecutors have reliable evidence that the farm was not accessible to anyone other than DM and MS and that the incinerator was also kept under lock and key.

MOO. IMHO.
 
  • #1,050
It's also been reported that DM bought the incinerator http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Crime/2013/05/16/20829241.html

Yes, I know. I choose to believe the salesman who actually did the transaction.

An employee of the Millard family’s aviation company, Millardair, handled the transaction around July of last year, Mr. Penner said.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/chilling-details-emerge-in-mysterious-bosma-case/article12757899/
 
  • #1,051
Interesting idea. Your son plans to build a home on a large rural acreage that includes low lying swampish land, trees in the high area which might be a marvelous home site, except that it also lacks a driveway down to the road, and the property also has trash left over from the previous owners use of the property as an active farm.

An Ontario government website has some practical ideas about how to handle this sort of situation, at https://www.ontario.ca/law-and-safety/how-burn-grass-and-woody-debris-safely

It has many pointers, including directions for:

How to build a safe incinerator

Consider chipping or composting brush or grass before burning. If you must burn, make sure you know the rules. If you burn forest litter or woody debris often, build and use a good incinerator.

  • select a site at least 5 metres from anything that could catch on fire (e.g. trees, overhanging branches, buildings, piles of debris)
  • clear an area 2 metres around the incinerator down to mineral soil
  • use a metal barrel in good condition
  • monitor any fire burning in the incinerator
And, of course, be on hand to make sure the fire is finally out.

You already have the chipper. Good. However, on this large property, building a stationary incinerator will mean that DM (or whoever) has to haul all the debris from the various corners of the property and stay there to continuously monitor the burning. What's needed is a portable incinerator that can be dragged from place to place and the incineration can be monitored at the same time that brush is being cleared.

Sounds like a good plan to me. MOO. IMHO.

Hopefully, if instead the incinerator was used to dispose of murdered bodies, the prosecutors have reliable evidence that the farm was not accessible to anyone other than DM and MS and that the incinerator was also kept under lock and key.

MOO. IMHO.

How are you going to fit brush in the tiny chicken-sized hatch of the incinerator? Was DM intending to clear 100 acres, 10 sq ft at a time?
 
  • #1,052
Many people, obviously including numerous "reporters" made that snap assumption because it's inflammatory and because many people confuse an owner and his company as being the same individual, when the corporate name is the same as that of its founder.

However, I'm willing to bet that the owner of the equipment's distribution arm probably knows who he dealt with and he did not say the person was DM. Since it was a MillardAir purchase there also be a purchase order or some reasonable facisimle that shed further light on the subject.

Jill Mahoney again, for the Globe: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...rge-in-mysterious-bosma-case/article12757899/

"While Hamilton Police have offered few details, the incinerator provides a haunting glimpse into the evidence. Typically used by poultry farmers, the SuperNova SN500 model holds 500 pounds of waste and burns 125 pounds an hour at temperatures up to 871 C. An employee of the Millard family’s aviation company, Millardair, handled the transaction around July of last year, Mr. Penner said."
 
  • #1,053
How are you going to fit brush in the tiny chicken-sized hatch of the incinerator? Was DM intending to clear 100 acres, 10 sq ft at a time?

I could have sworn I mentioned the chipper, as per the government advisory. I could have sworn I never remotely contemplated anybody clearing 100 acres. I'm almost sure I mentioned a home site in a treed area on the hillside; a lane to the road; old farm related debris and implied that there might also have been an interest in clearing the swampish area. HTH.

However, thinking back to previous discussions on the matter, thanks for reminding how difficult it would be to fit full bodied people into that tiny chicken-sized hatch. It will be interesting to eventually learn the police take on that. IMO.
 
  • #1,054
Well we also have this one that says he grew up and lived with his father.



And this one that says it was his father who dropped him off at school.

And that he rarely visited his mother's house.



http://www.thespec.com/news-story/2879468-neighbours-miss-dellen-millard-s-quiet-mother/

I guess many choose to believe the articles that agree with their ideas and discard the ones that don't as incorrect assumptions.

He did grow up in the Maple Gate house. His parents had 50/50 custody.

His parents split up when he was 5 or 6. His mother bought her house in 2001 when Millard was 15 or 16.

There's a pretty big difference between a five-year-old living full time with Dad and and a 15-year old.

I think most people would find the former an exceptional situation and the latter a normal teenage choice.
 
  • #1,055
I could have sworn I mentioned the chipper, as per the government advisory. I could have sworn I never remotely contemplated anybody clearing 100 acres. I'm almost sure I mentioned a home site in a treed area on the hillside; a lane to the road; old farm related debris and implied that there might also have been an interest in clearing the swampish area. HTH.

However, thinking back to previous discussions on the matter, thanks for reminding how difficult it would be to fit full bodied people into that tiny chicken-sized hatch. It will be interesting to eventually learn the police take on that. IMO.

Why would you burn wood chips? Wouldn't you use them for landscaping? If you had all the money in the world and could buy the exact, purpose-built thing you needed, why buy something sized and designed to burn animals? Why, with a barn full of barrels on site, would you not just use a burn barrel?
 
  • #1,056
He did grow up in the Maple Gate house. His parents had 50/50 custody.

His parents split up when he was 5 or 6. His mother bought her house in 1981 when Millard was 15 or 16.

There's a pretty big difference between a five-year-old living full time with Dad and and a 15-year old.

I think most people would find the former an exceptional situation and the latter a normal teenage choice.

Dellen wasn't even born yet in 1981. And the neighbours said she had lived there for only about 10 years. But feel free to post some links.

It may not be the majority, but lots of kids do grow up living with their dads.
 
  • #1,057
Dellen wasn't even born yet in 1981. And the neighbours said she had lived there for only about 10 years. But feel free to post some links.

It may not be the majority, but lots of kids do grow up living with their dads.

Probably bought a home (if not the Tinsmith one) in 1991 when he was 5 or 6 :thinking:
 
  • #1,058
Dellen wasn't even born yet in 1981. And the neighbours said she had lived there for only about 10 years. But feel free to post some links.

It may not be the majority, but lots of kids do grow up living with their dads.

Probably bought a home (if not the Tinsmith one) in 1991 when he was 5 or 6 :thinking:
 
  • #1,059
Dellen wasn't even born yet in 1981. And the neighbours said she had lived there for only about 10 years. But feel free to post some links.

It may not be the majority, but lots of kids do grow up living with their dads.

Now you see a good copy editor would catch that obvious mistake and figure out I meant 2001 and not 1981.

I am going to disagree with you and say that it's not common for a five year old to live exclusively with his father unless there are big problems with the mother.
 
  • #1,060
Now you see a good copy editor would do the math and figure out I meant 2001 and not 1981.

Is it really that hard to make the dates fit?

I'm sorry but it's not common for a five year old to live exclusively with his father unless there are big problems with the mother.

With respect, why should someone have to decipher your posts?

50/50 custody does not imply that anything was wrong with his mother.
 

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