Wayne Millard: Dellen Millard Charged With Murder In The First Degree #1

[Alethea Dice]

In DM's case, yes, all his friends were bought and paid for.

There wasn't one friend or romantic interest who wasn't greedily riding the DM gravy train. That says something about both DM and his friends.

He acknowledges this in his Toronto Star interview, where he talks about spending tens of thousands because that's what his "friends" expected from him.

Now some might think as he got older, he got wiser, but, in fact, the opposite seems to be true. He couldn't hold on to friends or girlfriends without footing the bills, letting them live in the basement or his other properties, buying them cars and houses, paying for vacays, etc.

Lest anyone jump in to say DM is a poor little exploited rich boy, please keep in mind there are many wealthy people who maintain genuine friendships with people from all income levels without turning themselves into an ATM.

Do you have a link for a different interview? The one I read from the Star simply said:

And he blew cash on massive parties that became renowned among his friends.
“I aspired to that image in some ways because people wanted that of me,” he says pulling up his orange sleeves, revealing large tattoos across both arms that read “I am heaven sent” and “Don’t you dare forget.”
“I threw some parties. I tried to make that a reality for my friends.”

Nothing about "tens of thousands" spent on his friends.

How can you possibly know that all his friends and girlfriends would leave him if he didn't pay for everything for him? Can you also please provide a link to the information regarding the cars, houses and vacations that he bought for for his friends? His friends seemed to have done some pretty extensive travelling without him being along.

 

[SnooperDuper]

I would need to see actual proof of this before it could be taken as a fact, and not just an opinion.

I have yet to see a list of All of his friends, let alone the list of all who have officially abandoned their loyalty to him. I imagine his closest friends are on the no contact list, so how can he know if they show their support or loyalty to him at this point, anyway?

Well he was just a humble guy that hung out with regular non-rich people, no? And he treated them like his entourage, buying them all kinds of things (without getting gifts in kind back). That's not a sustainable lifestyle unless you have the kinds of millions Bieber does.

WM might not have been too good at picking buddies either, if his first priority was alcohol (i.e., he was dependent). Drinkers tend to surround themselves with other heavy drinkers. That's perhaps not the best criteria on which to base a friendship.

And of course there were the wild parties.

People could have been hanging around DM and WM for all the wrong reasons, reinforcing all sorts of negatives in DM's and WM's life. That's not to say that these were bad people but that the relationship that they might have had with the M's...not necessarily helping either M chose a straight path.

 

[ABro]

Do you have a link for a different interview? The one I read from the Star simply said:



Nothing about "tens of thousands" spent on his friends.

How can you possibly know that all his friends and girlfriends would leave him if he didn't pay for everything for him? Can you also please provide a link to the information regarding the cars, houses and vacations that he bought for for his friends? His friends seemed to have done some pretty extensive travelling without him being along.

No, sorry, that information was given to me by a close friend of DM's, who saw the bills. They set up a stage and hired a band so it doesn't seem like an outrageous figure given what things cost nowadays.

I didn't say that DM paid for everything his friends did, just that there was not one single friend that I am aware of who was not regularly benefiting from DM's largesse.

Obviously, I can't say for sure that the friends wouldn't have stuck around if DM stopped paying because the tap never ran dry. What is clear, however, is that DM felt he needed to subsidize them all to varying degrees. And even his own father felt powerless to boot the freeloaders out.

You've got to admit it was a strange dynamic -- or maybe you don't?

 

[Alethea Dice]

Stay tuned for the trials. Many of the basement dwellers are indeed on the no-contact list so they'll likely be testifying at the Bosma trial.

I can't imagine CN won't be asked about the financial benefits of dating DM at her trial.

And if there ever is a Babcock or Wayne Millard trial, which I sincerely doubt, we will almost certainly hear from the ex-fiancee and her ex-cop mom, who are both on the no-contact lists for those murders.

What do the financial benefits of dating DM have to do with the murder??? I'm having a hard time thinking of a reason that would be part of the evidence at a murder trial.

Are you saying that the ex-fiancee and her mom were also in it for the money? Earlier you stated that the mother still supported him and his mother, although if I remember correctly, you hinted the opposite on your blog (which now seems to have been removed). Which is correct?

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?217854-Wayne-Millard-Dellen-Millard-Charged-with-Murder-in-the-First-Degree&p=11489670#post11489670

 

[ABro]

What do the financial benefits of dating DM have to do with the murder??? I'm having a hard time thinking of a reason that would be part of the evidence at a murder trial.

Are you saying that the ex-fiancee and her mom were also in it for the money? Earlier you stated that the mother still supported him and his mother, although if I remember correctly, you hinted the opposite on your blog (which now seems to have been removed). Which is correct?

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?217854-Wayne-Millard-Dellen-Millard-Charged-with-Murder-in-the-First-Degree&p=11489670#post11489670

They ask lots and lots of questions at these trials which is why they drag on for months. I would assume the Crown will try to argue that CN was ready and willing to do DM's bidding. In that kind of scenario, if she accepted expensive gifts (beyond the vacations we already know about) that would certainly be relevant.

Re the ex-fiancee, she was a big financial beneficiary, but I have no reason to believe her mother was on the unofficial DM payroll.

And, yes, as far as I know, both the ex-fiancee and Mom are still supporting DM, and so too are some of his friends.

I think you're over simplifying the nature of DM's relationships. The people who were buddy buddy with DM and financially benefited from their friendships with him have a lot to potentially lose if he is eventually found guilty.

They will be asked constantly what they knew, what they saw, what they overlooked, what they gained. There will be shame involved in being known as the financially beneficiary of a murderer (again, if he is found guilty). People will be asking, how they could not have seen, whether they were blinded by the money. A lot of people have a lot to lose in this situation.

As an analogy, you might want to think of this like sleeping your way to the top. It's complicated and not something you want to be known for.

 

[Alethea Dice]

They ask lots and lots of questions at these trials which is why they drag on for months. I would assume the Crown will try to argue that CN was ready and willing to do DM's bidding. In that kind of scenario, if she accepted expensive gifts (beyond the vacations we already know about) that would certainly be relevant.

Re the ex-fiancee, she was a big financial beneficiary, but I have no reason to believe her mother was on the unofficial DM payroll.

And, yes, as far as I know, both the ex-fiancee and Mom are still supporting DM, and so too are some of his friends.

I think you're over simplifying the nature of DM's relationships. The people who were buddy buddy with DM and financially benefited from their friendships with him have a lot to potentially lose if he is eventually found guilty.

They will be asked constantly what they knew, what they saw, what they overlooked, what they gained. There will be shame involved in being known as the financially beneficiary of a murderer (again, if he is found guilty). People will be asking, how they could not have seen, whether they were blinded by the money. A lot of people have a lot to lose in this situation.

As an analogy, you might want to think of this like sleeping your way to the top. It's complicated and not something you want to be known for.

Well then, at least some of his friends are standing behind him. They didn't all just take the money and run. I guess I just think it's a little presumptuous to assume that they would not be his friend if they didn't gain financially from it. Or wouldn't still support him if they didn't have that to lose. A person with money can still have genuine friends (with the money just extra icing) and that would still be a friend if that money didn't exist.

JMO

 

[ABro]

Well then, at least some of his friends are standing behind him. They didn't all just take the money and run. I guess I just think it's a little presumptuous to assume that they would not be his friend if they didn't gain financially from it. Or wouldn't still support him if they didn't have that to lose. A person with money can still have genuine friends (with the money just extra icing) and that would still be a friend if that money didn't exist.

JMO

Honestly I've always found the whole DM/money discussion bizarre. I've never agreed with F. Scott Fitzgerald that the rich are different.

 

[Tamarind]

I know that a lot of people are charmed by DM's wealth and breeding, but for me the fascination has always been DM the loser.

Can you imagine losing more than DM? It's possible he's lost a low 8 digit fortune by my estimations, he's lost his freedom, celebrity (prodigy) has been replaced by notoriety (criminal). He had an awful lot, good looks and youth to boot, and he recklessly frittered all this away.

How long before we hear the thunderous cracking noise of DM's head popping? A certain reality is becoming clear. How long can DM live in denial?

I always find it interesting when people love to call people losers. It fascinates me that some people actually love to see someone in distress even before they know whether that person deserves it. Maybe losing money isn't as big an issue for some as it is for those who like to see people losing it. Has he frittered his good looks away ? Does he care about celebrity? Maybe he doesn't care about things that in the end don't really matter. Maybe he is not that shallow.

As for the thunderous sound of DMs head (or anyone elses) popping, to most people that would not bring any sense of delight, if anyone delights in watching someone elses head popping for what ever reason I think it says a lot more about who is delighting in it. JMO

It would seem DM is willing to stand his ground, he has come this far.

 

[Tamarind]

The bank would want to make sure all debts associated with the hangar were reclaimed, and then there is the whole issue of taxes on the estate passed from WM to DM. Maybe there is really nothing left. The family coffers were running low before all of this, remember?

I guess being an ex-millionaire doesn't buy a lot of loyalty, so this should make CN's trial exta interesting.

Were the family coffers running low? Or was it just the business having a rough time?

Do you have any links to support that the families coffers were running low?

 

[SnooperDuper]

Well then, at least some of his friends are standing behind him. They didn't all just take the money and run. I guess I just think it's a little presumptuous to assume that they would not be his friend if they didn't gain financially from it. Or wouldn't still support him if they didn't have that to lose. A person with money can still have genuine friends (with the money just extra icing) and that would still be a friend if that money didn't exist.

JMO

Maybe DM didn't use the money to buy friends, just buy status among his friends. He picked up the tab for everybody, he bought a round of jetskis, and he didn't act like he had money? Maybe because he acted like a new lotto winner that's separated from his fortune in 12 months.

When WM dropped DM off at private school in a beat up truck...was WM even working at that point, or was he just an animal activist? Was he drinking? Did other students mock DM for being a hillbilly prince and heir of a fading company? Maybe DM's family wasn't a fit to TFS. Perhaps WM failed to live up to the standards held by gossips and bullies. No wonder DM dropped out of a prep school for the children of business leaders and professionals (WM was not this) and joined a school program focussed on the gifts and specialness of the child (DM after all was a prodigy). Parents could be stage moms or mere mortals. It was the child that was special now.

Maybe TFS was a bad enough experience that it marked DM with bitterness and he felt a need to asset his wealth afterwards.

 

[Tamarind]

I guess loyalty can only be bought with money? I think that's a sad thought.

I agree, loyalty comes from within. People who focus on money as the way forward have a lot to learn. Maybe people watching this case will learn more than they bargained for. I hope so. JMO

 

[SnooperDuper]

Were the family coffers running low? Or was it just the business having a rough time?

Do you have any links to support that the families coffers were running low?

Then Dellen began asking Mr. Sharif about the value of the company and why his 71-year-old father, Wayne Millard, should continue to fund a venture whose costs already far exceeded the original estimates. “He advised [me] that the family coffers were running low and that he was very apprehensive to keep pouring money into the facility,” Mr. Sharif recounted in an email. “I went over all of the contracts that were in negotiations and the potential for 2013. We parted pleasantly.”

http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/0...bosma-murder-suspect-started-to-dismantle-it/

 

[Tamarind]

Maybe DM didn't use the money to buy friends, just buy status among his friends. He picked up the tab for everybody, he bought a round of jetskis, and he didn't act like he had money? Maybe because he acted like a new lotto winner that's separated from his fortune in 12 months.

When WM dropped DM off at private school in a beat up truck...was WM even working at that point, or was he just an animal activist? Was he drinking? Did other students mock DM for being a hillbilly prince and heir of a fading company? Maybe DM's family wasn't a fit to TFS. Perhaps WM failed to live up to the standards held by gossips and bullies. No wonder DM dropped out of a prep school for the children of business leaders and professionals (WM was not this) and joined a school program focussed on the gifts and specialness of the child (DM after all was a prodigy). Parents could be stage moms or mere mortals. It was the child that was special now.

Maybe TFS was a bad enough experience that it marked DM with bitterness and he felt a need to asset his wealth afterwards.

One minute DM is to be considered uneducated the next it is touted that he is a special child, which is it?

Are you suggesting that the students at TFS were suffering from snobbery or that DM and family were? Just wondering.

 

[Tamarind]

http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/0...bosma-murder-suspect-started-to-dismantle-it/

Ahhh AS, are those just AS words, did DM use those words or did he suggest that they couldn't keep pouring money into something that was going nowhere? Two very different things IMO

 

[matou]

Was Wayne Millard a hunter? Is there any reason why he would have a rifle in his house? Did Dellen have a hunting license?

 

[SnooperDuper]

One minute DM is to be considered uneducated the next it is touted that he is a special child, which is it?

DM has a high school diploma, so he has a basic education. I don't think he completed anything else. He was also treated like a special child, as he attended a special program in school (though I believe it was correspondence?)

Are you suggesting that the students at TFS were suffering from snobbery or that DM and family were? Just wondering.

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[Tamarind]

Was Wayne Millard a hunter? Is there any reason why he would have a rifle in his house? Did Dellen have a hunting license?

I know people who have rifles that belonged to their fathers and grandfathers. Do they need to be hunters? I see nothing wrong with having a rifle in a house, so long as it is stored safely. JMO

 

[SnooperDuper]

Was Wayne Millard a hunter? Is there any reason why he would have a rifle in his house? Did Dellen have a hunting license?

Dunno. CM was from farm country near Ingersoll I believe and definitely had rural roots. Maybe joining the conservation efforts of groups like the Ontario Association of Anglers & Hunters or Ducks Unlimited led WM to have an interest in conservation. (i.e., WM could have gotten into animal activism in the first place through hunting.)

 

[Tamarind]

DM has a high school diploma, so he has a basic education. I don't think he completed anything else. He was also treated like a special child, as he attended a special program in school (though I believe it was correspondence?)


I'm just saying WM sounds like one of the Beverly Hillbillies.

Many people have a basic education. Because he attended a separate program at a school does not IMO mean he was treated any more special than any other student there. JMO

Because he drove an old truck he (WM) is like a Beverley Hillbilly hmmm. When I went to school my dad had the nicest car that dropped of a kid, I hated it. I would say that most kids do not like to stand out against the crowd for whatever reason, old truck, new car, mother with purple and orange hair etc. I am not sure how anyone comes to the conclusion that DM in some way is unique and suffering from his childhood memories.

 

[SnooperDuper]

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I am not sure how anyone comes to the conclusion that DM in some way is unique and suffering from his childhood memories.

Unique? No. Suffering...we don't know the extent of WM's addictions and DM might have had to put up with quite a lot.