Wayne Millard: Dellen Millard Charged With Murder In The First Degree #1

[Tamarind]

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Unique? No. Suffering...we don't know the extent of WM's addictions and DM might have had to put up with quite a lot.

Many people have put up with quite a lot. It does not suggest that people become criminals because they have a stressful childhood. Many people become more generous, helpful, caring and humble. JMO

 

[Tamarind]

No, sorry, that information was given to me by a close friend of DM's, who saw the bills. They set up a stage and hired a band so it doesn't seem like an outrageous figure given what things cost nowadays.

I didn't say that DM paid for everything his friends did, just that there was not one single friend that I am aware of who was not regularly benefiting from DM's largesse.

Obviously, I can't say for sure that the friends wouldn't have stuck around if DM stopped paying because the tap never ran dry. What is clear, however, is that DM felt he needed to subsidize them all to varying degrees. And even his own father felt powerless to boot the freeloaders out.

You've got to admit it was a strange dynamic -- or maybe you don't?

I am glad I don't have a close friend who shows my bills to a reporter. You seem to suggest that all of his friends have made themselves known to you. Are you sure we are talking about close friends here?

Just a thought, but if what you say is true and DM felt he had to subsidize and provide a roof, maybe he and WM were being blackmailed-just a thought as I have said.

 

[SnooperDuper]

Many people have put up with quite a lot. It does not suggest that people become criminals because they have a stressful childhood. Many people become more generous, helpful, caring and humble. JMO

My kids are more generous, helpful, caring and humble BECAUSE I drank?

Who taught them to look at it that way?

 

[Tamarind]

My kids are more generous, helpful, caring and humble BECAUSE I drank?

Who taught them to look at it that way?

Kids don't always need to be taught right from wrong they can determine it themselves. Sometimes kids are brought up with morals and principles, then they also have a parent who drinks or a parent who has other vices. From this point some kids can separate the vices from the principles. I know this is true.

 

[swedie]

They ask lots and lots of questions at these trials which is why they drag on for months. I would assume the Crown will try to argue that CN was ready and willing to do DM's bidding. In that kind of scenario, if she accepted expensive gifts (beyond the vacations we already know about) that would certainly be relevant.

Re the ex-fiancee, she was a big financial beneficiary, but I have no reason to believe her mother was on the unofficial DM payroll.

And, yes, as far as I know, both the ex-fiancee and Mom are still supporting DM, and so too are some of his friends.

I think you're over simplifying the nature of DM's relationships. The people who were buddy buddy with DM and financially benefited from their friendships with him have a lot to potentially lose if he is eventually found guilty.

They will be asked constantly what they knew, what they saw, what they overlooked, what they gained. There will be shame involved in being known as the financially beneficiary of a murderer (again, if he is found guilty). People will be asking, how they could not have seen, whether they were blinded by the money. A lot of people have a lot to lose in this situation.

As an analogy, you might want to think of this like sleeping your way to the top. It's complicated and not something you want to be known for.

Hmmm DM paid MS and CN to help him try and cover up one or more of these murder cases? Guess it's a possibility. MS wasn't working, no income, living at home, it would seem tempting for him to be one of DM's "employees". If so, wonder if he was on or off the records. CN in university... There is an old saying, money is the root of all evil. Amazing what some people will do for money. MOO.

I suppose the truth will come out during trial.

 

[swedie]

I am glad I don't have a close friend who shows my bills to a reporter. You seem to suggest that all of his friends have made themselves known to you. Are you sure we are talking about close friends here?

Just a thought, but if what you say is true and DM felt he had to subsidize and provide a roof, maybe he and WM were being blackmailed-just a thought as I have said.

I wouldn't be so quick to consider blackmail. That would be a good indication of who would want to see your father dead and frame you for LB's and TB's murder. I'm sure DM would be intelligent enough to figure that much out and assisted LE. Or are we once again to believe he's safer in jail...still. MOO.

 

[Tamarind]

I wouldn't be so quick to consider blackmail. That would be a good indication of who would want to see your father dead and frame you for LB's and TB's murder. I'm sure DM would be intelligent enough to figure that much out and assisted LE. Or are we once again to believe he's safer in jail...still. MOO.

Like I have said before, maybe DM has thought of a few possibilities. Why would he run his unconfirmed possibilities by LE when they are pushing for him to be guilty. He may be safer in jail, depending on who he has considered as possibilities. I am not saying it as fact as we cant know at this point, but definitely there are many possibilities. As for framing, its funny you should mention that as that is always out there in left field waiting for the scissor kick. JMO

 

[Alethea Dice]

Honestly I've always found the whole DM/money discussion bizarre. I've never agreed with F. Scott Fitzgerald that the rich are different.

I've known both types through the years. Most are no different than anyone else. A few have that above everything attitude and, in my experience, not many wanted to be around them much regardless of any financial gain that may come their way. So perhaps I look at it from the other direction. To me, it says much more about the people who would be his "friends" because of the money than it does about the one giving it away.

 

[Alethea Dice]

I am glad I don't have a close friend who shows my bills to a reporter. You seem to suggest that all of his friends have made themselves known to you. Are you sure we are talking about close friends here?

Just a thought, but if what you say is true and DM felt he had to subsidize and provide a roof, maybe he and WM were being blackmailed-just a thought as I have said.

That was my thought too. What kind of friend talks about those kinds of things to a stranger when their buddy is arrested?

 

[Alethea Dice]

Hmmm DM paid MS and CN to help him try and cover up one or more of these murder cases? Guess it's a possibility. MS wasn't working, no income, living at home, it would seem tempting for him to be one of DM's "employees". If so, wonder if he was on or off the records. CN in university... There is an old saying, money is the root of all evil. Amazing what some people will do for money. MOO.

I suppose the truth will come out during trial.

Was it reported that MS wasn't working? Just wondering because I heard he was.

 

[Alethea Dice]

Was Wayne Millard a hunter? Is there any reason why he would have a rifle in his house? Did Dellen have a hunting license?

You don't need a hunting license to own a rifle. All you need is a PAL (or a grandfathered POL, I believe). I assume he either had a licence or the gun in the window was an air rifle, since LE left it there.

 

[swedie]

That was my thought too. What kind of friend talks about those kinds of things to a stranger when their buddy is arrested?

Maybe a friend(s) who has put two plus two together and realized their "friend" wasn't who they thought he was? Maybe this friend or friends had some real AH HA moments? They are probably no longer friends I would imagine. MOO.

 

[swedie]

You don't need a hunting license to own a rifle. All you need is a PAL (or a grandfathered POL, I believe). I assume he either had a licence or the gun in the window was an air rifle, since LE left it there.

Do you know if the picture was taken after the investigation of the house? Or could it have been taken before or during the investigation. Just saying and MOO.

 

[matou]

Well since Smich is charged with two of the three murders, is he being framed too?

 

[matou]

I guess Lerner showed his good friend and ex-gf's bill to a reporter, to HELP with the investigation of her disappearance. Did someone say that someone showed DM's bills as well?

 

[matou]

All guns must be stored properly with a lock or in a locked room. Was this gun just left out? Was the trigger locked? Was it made to appear that this was the gun used in WM's apparent suicide?

The firearm must be either trigger locked, or have the bolt removed, or must be stored in a secure locked container, receptacle or room.

https://nfa.ca/resource-items/safe-and-legal-storage-non-restricted-firearms

 

[ABro]

I've known both types through the years. Most are no different than anyone else. A few have that above everything attitude and, in my experience, not many wanted to be around them much regardless of any financial gain that may come their way. So perhaps I look at it from the other direction. To me, it says much more about the people who would be his "friends" because of the money than it does about the one giving it away.

I think it says something about both of them.

He believes he has to pay for friends -- perhaps for control or perhaps because he believes no one would hang out with him otherwise.

And the "friends" are happy to benefit from this type of relationship. Again, this doesn't mean that some of the friends didn't like being in DM's company.

 

[ABro]

That was my thought too. What kind of friend talks about those kinds of things to a stranger when their buddy is arrested?

I find the need to vilify anyone who talks to reporters strange.

The truth is people talk for all sorts of reasons.

And despite the pearl clutching, I suspect most participants in sites like these wouldn't be too happy if those who knew the accused never spoke up.

 

[SnooperDuper]

That was my thought too. What kind of friend talks about those kinds of things to a stranger when their buddy is arrested?

IMO a true friend would want to know the truth, and would freely give info to get info.

 

[Tamarind]

Maybe a friend(s) who has put two plus two together and realized their "friend" wasn't who they thought he was? Maybe this friend or friends had some real AH HA moments? They are probably no longer friends I would imagine. MOO.

Most true friends would wait to hear their friends side of things before jumping to conclusions and running to the first reporter willing to air anything that may boost their ratings JMO. If they are no longer friends then why would someone keep referring to them as friends.