weekend discussion: discuss the trial here #139

[Flowerrgirl]

If my position was that of a detective (or other) and was told to do this by another in the courtroom?


The water (and cup) would be over his/her head <------


----> and within a continuous, progressive flow.

Lol...ok?

He probably does it because he wants to. No one is forcing him.

The comment was meant to be light and not taken any other way.

I actually like JM and can't imagine him forcing the detective to fetch his water. :fish::fish:

 

[Arishia]

bbm, Well yesterday she sharpened the little pencils for jodi so she would be prepared to drop her head when the question or answer was one she would rather not partake in.

Dang, I thought JA must have been caught trying to make off with the little pencil sharpener so she could get the blade out of it, and the mitigation specialist was then reduced in rank to keeper of the sharps, which could explain why she and JA haven't been all touchy-feely lately.

 

[G&AMom]

"...It is just a road map, a guideline, but it is ever evolving, and needs to be looked at in it's full context....I am not sure where you are going with this but it is not a yes or no...there are shades of grey and just because she lied that does not make her a liar...and that includes men victims as well...I think I did represent one man in the past 30 years..although I cannot remember his name..."

:floorlaugh: We should start a thread just about the continuum!

 

[BeachGirlFromPA]

We are all tired and YES, a lot of people use the Mormon religion against people. Someone on here last nite warned that the folks on that thread are Jodi supporters. Stay here with us where you are safe and can say what you want to say, OK?

I'm confused. I thought this was a victim friendly site? Not that all opinions aren't welcome if they are respectful, but bashing TA doesn't seem to fit in here on the forum, anywhere. JMO

 

[raisincharlie]

Who thinks ALV will ever reflect on this and think she made a mistake?
Or sees that maybe she was biased?

I can't guess about what she will or will not do. However, if she plans on ever being an expert again, she should review this entire trial and then come clean with herself both on a personal and professional level first.

At a minimum she should realize that if a defense team is going to limit the investigatory aspect to cherry picked items, and restrict one's face to face interviews to the defendent only, the smartest thing to do is to pass it by like however many did before her. I just don't understand Ms. ALV at all, so many red flags, so many lies, and yet she happily pops into court expecting it to be a positive and she could save Ms. Arias. Simply dellusional...

 

[Boodles]

Second question that didn't make the cut (and yes its just a parody before anyone freaks out).
I yelled this so many times during cross.


Q: Ms V, what part of ANSWER YES OR NO is hard for you to understand??!?

That's where she lost so much credibility, by being defiant and stubborn with the prosecutor. Even when she acquiesced, she would not say "yes" or "no." She went to any length to defy his request. When finally answering, her responses were phrased carefully so as NOT to include the Y or N words.

So childish...like a defiant teenager. Who can buy into the sentiments of a witness who behaves that way?

Conversely, when the defense asked a question, the Y and N words flowed quickly with great ease out of her mouth.

Such ridiculous behavior.

 

[iSleuth]

My son's ex gf hacked into his MySpace after they broke up. At the time, it was more popular than FB, and the kids met other kids there by commenting each other, and then PRivate Messaging on there. So his ex figured out his password, and went into his PMs, and sent rude replies to a couple of girls he was talking to. One of them was a co-worker of his, so it caused some needless drama ands so he was very angry.

My point is that hacking into a MySpace can be very damaging if one gets into the PMs. She could have threatened to share some of their 'dirty secrets' with his PPL people or his Mormon ward.

I agree 1000% I and believe the ky photos and the phone sex tape were part of her whole ( elaborate) Plan. Plan A. Blackmail via character assassination, and Plan B. Murder- if blackmail did not work to get TA to take her cancun and ultimately marry her.

Key word...plan. premeditation. Cruel speaks for itself.
:jail:
jodi

 

[kaki]

I have a question about all these texts and "documents" that ALV supposedly read to form her opinions on TA. If they are so damming to TA , why didnt the defense submit them as evidence...or did they? (was it because they were equally damming to JA?)

 

[momof7]

Hello Peeps! Finally caught up from yesterday's testimony. What a day for those who saw it live.

Guess on Monday we will hear what is going on with Ms. Wong, should be interesting. Isn't this more of what went on with JM and the autographing? Or is it about Juror #5?

ALV ordered back on Tues. I can't believe the judge told her Mon and Tues and she was trying to talk the judge into another day. She doesn't take the hint very well.

As for the public lynching of ALV. Initially I was one of the ones saying lets hear what she has to say, and felt that anything she brought up in favor of JA would be dispelled by JM. And that did happen. Pretty much, for me, she wasn't really credible and very biased. I get that all she was concerned with was the domestic violence portion buuuut, if you are going into open court and testifying that the victim was an abuser, you would think you would want concrete evidence of some nature such as friends saying they saw bruises or something. Not even interviewing people seems like she lacked a lot of foundation for her claims. I think JM did a good job of throwing out there that if she can say TA was a liar beause of a pattern, why she won't say JA was..there definitely is a proven pattern there. So I was happy with that line of questioning. The final juror question, well...imho it nailed it in the coffin when she said she has no idea of JA told anyone a different or inconsistent story, but JA's story to her was consistent. She showed again she had no proof that the story was even true, just consistently told to her. So, it wasn't a major win for JA or JM. Anyway, ALV is her own worst enemy. I agree with another who feels like she isn't lying per se, she sincerely believes in what she is saying. So, while I believe it leaves a lot to be desired and puts dv back about 20 years, she does believe it.

As we get closer to Demarte, I really feel like we will get a more clinical based testimony. Both RS and ALV let emotion rule the day iinstead of the facts. And while I understand the emotion, facts are the only thing the court/jury should be balancing in the deliberations.

The juror questions were interesting as always. They really expounded on JM's questioning but seemed to 'question' JW line of questioning. If that makes sense. There was a difference when I heard the questions as we got into JM part of cross.

I hope hope hope to see some of it on Monday. Until then I will be checking in here and reading what you all have to say. Thanks so much for the commentary and comments. It helps those of us unable to watch. And a side note, JA sure does a lot of moving around, fixing, messing with her hair, rolling her tounge in her mouth, looking, staring these days. Its starting to get to her.

K

 

[Ammonitida]

She's not entitled to "clarity" from Matt's next girlfriend who she doesn't even know. Can you imagine how scared you would be if your new boyfriend's ex girlfriend somehow tracked down where you live and showed up at night, without warning demanding answers about your relationship with your boyfriend.

I would not have let her in, and I would have called the police. For realz.

Yet, Alyce did not see this as jealousy of "stalking -type behavior" because the confrontation wasn't hostil or violent. I got news for Alyce, impulsive acts driven by jealousy and a sense of ownership and entitlement over an ex boyfriend do not necessarily have to be violent or hostile -- there's no other emotion or purpose that would explain this behavior on Jodi's part.

I do wonder why Juan did not ask her about Jodi hacking into Bobby's and Travis' personal email accounts and text messages - then confronting them.

No comment on that Travis email which called Jodi out on her repeated violations of his privacy. There are so many things Juan could have done, but perhaps he's saving that for DeMarte?

 

[Ammonitida]

I have a question about all these texts and "documents" that ALV supposedly read to form her opinions on TA. If they are so damming to TA , why didnt the defense submit them as evidence...or did they? (was it because they were equally damming to JA?)

Exactly.

We know of only one set of documents that the defense tried to submit but were kept out. The photocopied letters. I wonder if AVL is basing her claims on those too?

 

[G&AMom]

Slightly OT- Sorry if this was already discussed. I have been out with the fam all evening. Just got back online and saw this about a bomb sent to Sheriff Joe . . .

http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/12/justice/arizona-suspicious-package/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

I can understand where people don't like Sheriff Joe, but what were the chances he'd actually open the package himself? Folks like this bomber never think about all the other people standing around.

Signed,

Someone was used to be a secretary & office manager and whose job would have been to open that package

 

[Keebler]

No the PeiWei was the FIRST incident where by the way , no one followed her there. it's a very busy restaurant where someone happened to be eating and ....big surprise...recognized them from the trial and shot an iphone pic. Big deal! Stalking?

No it gets better, after complaining about that incident and her "harrassment" etc. they choose the PALOMAR which is walking distance from the courthouse where most of the media stay...for last night's dinner!

And there are many many restaurants right in the area with let me say much better food. And I do think they may have afforded a cab to go somewhere, say, less in a fishbowl? Makes ya think they were liking dressing up as bait last night. If I do say so myself!

I'm getting more and more nervous that the DT/JA will do something, manipulate a situation, cause an action to force a mistrial. Anyone else worried about that?

 

[momof7]

No comment on that Travis email which called Jodi out on her repeated violations of his privacy. There are so many things Juan could have done, but perhaps he's saving that for DeMarte?

Yes, I do think that Demarte will paint JA as a stalker. I do think those emails and texts about the violations and privacy and maybe some we haven't seen will come up to prove the point.

I have been watching a 48 hours video that was done after the trial started. Its very interesting to note that JA had a lot to say about the murder itself when she was still saying 2 intruders. At one point she says that TA had blood running down his arms etc. Funny, but I almost think that is the only truth she has told so far.

K

 

[Boodles]

I'm getting more and more nervous that the DT/JA will do something, manipulate a situation, cause an action to force a mistrial. Anyone else worried about that?

I feel the DT has problems dealing with appropriate boundaries. Nothing would surprise me after the ALV testimony.

 

[Keebler]

Neither did Travis's journals or his blogs. Or anyone else's.

THE ONLY THING SHE USED AS 'CORROBORATION' WAS HIS ONE ANGRY TIRADE OF TEXTS. That is it. Oh, and Jodi's word.

Yet she constantly harps on 'context' and 'patterns of behavior'. Did she consider that she doesn't know what made him so angry with JA and that it was likely to have been a well warranted reaction to whatever happened? CONTEXT. Did she consider that this was not the norm for him and wasn't typical TA response? PATTERN of BEHAVIOR

 

[websurfer]

who is it? and what does the person do? she will do what?:twocents:

 

[SCSam]

Yes, I do think that Demarte will paint JA as a stalker. I do think those emails and texts about the violations and privacy and maybe some we haven't seen will come up to prove the point.

I have been watching a 48 hours video that was done after the trial started. Its very interesting to note that JA had a lot to say about the murder itself when she was still saying 2 intruders. At one point she says that TA had blood running down his arms etc. Funny, but I almost think that is the only truth she has told so far.

K

JMOO of course but I have always felt the ninja story was a close as we'll ever come to TA's last moments. I think JA dressed the part and used both gun and knife to support a claim of 2 assailants... and obviously making this all VERY premeditated.

 

[websurfer]

When and if we do , I think some sort of truth will come out as far as how afraid he was of JA?

 

[InALandFarFarAway]

Which show? Dr. Drew? I didn't watch any HLN today, just caught up on the testimony I missed today on Youtube.

What a great job by JM discrediting this witness today. I'm in awe when I watch him in action in the courtroom. And I don't care about the rumbling about his "rockstar" status, or the accusations of grandstanding. This is an attorney who cares deeply about what he is fighting for. If it was political with him I think he would have made that move already. He fights for justice for the victim, and he will not let up until he is satisfied that he has done everything he can to speak on their behalf.

My DH is starting to think I'm getting a bit of a crush. :blowkiss: Ya think?

Is there a show before JVM? She appeared before JVM and was sitting on the couch in a very tight suit next to one of regulars, a gorgeous man, lol.

Yes, and JA made a point somewhere along the line to indicate that she had helped him to choose the camera...Ararar...Jealous much?

Yesterday, I really thought she let her mask slip. Today it was back up. Slippage happens. I think we might see it again. Her arrogance is extreme.

moo

Arrgh! You're right! Jodi made a huge deal on the stand out of Travis calling her to talk to her about the camera. She said something like "I was doing the research for him on cameras since I know more about them and found this one for him and we bought it."

My eyes are rolling so hard, I know a migraine of my own is coming. :furious: