Were Drugs Found In Caylee's Hair?

[Pensfan]

These test results do not state if her hair was tested for other substances such as antihistamines, anti-hypertensive agents, anti-depressants, muscle relaxants, and other substances that people drug their children with to get them to sleep. I am hoping LE has unreleased other lab reports on Caylee's hair. (Yeh, parents can give their kids OTC antihistamines, but Caylee should not of had any anti-hypertensive, muscle relaxants, anti-depressant, or etc... in her hair sample.)

 

[OneLostGrl]

These test results do not state if her hair was tested for other substances such as antihistamines, anti-hypertensive agents, anti-depressants, muscle relaxants, and other substances that people drug their children with to get them to sleep. I am hoping LE has unreleased other lab reports on Caylee's hair. (Yeh, parents can give their kids OTC antihistamines, but Caylee should not of had any anti-hypertensive, muscle relaxants, anti-depressant, or etc... in her hair sample.)

I have always been confused as to why they only tested for the Benzo's and nothing else. I really hope they did more testing other than the obvious Zanni/Xanax/Benzo connection.

 

[magic-cat]

To use chloroform to knock somebody out for hours you'd have to stand over them and administer drips every 15-20 minutes. A safe drip of chloroform doesn't last long. Nobody has ever used chloroform as a babysitting drug. There would be no point of using it if you have to stand over the baby dripping it onto a rag every 15 minutes.

Caylee's hair was tested and the results were released. According to the tests, Caylee had not been chronically dosed. IIRC, the talking heads who discussed the test results said those results don't mean Caylee wasn't dosed on June 16, any drug used on that day would not have had time to go through her system and into her hair.

Or duct tape the rag over there airways...
Or leave a saturated rag in the trunk with them...

 

[AZlawyer]

Does this mean they could not use this test for chloroform?
Was a different test done for chloroform?

Id think they wouldnt hold back THAT sort of information in previous doc dumps.

The FBI did not test for chloroform because such tests are not "deemed probative" according to the FBI. This could mean, for example, that (1) the test tends to come up negative even if chloroform has been used (i.e., the test is insufficiently sensitive), or (2) the test tends to give false positives even if chloroform has not been used (i.e., the test is insufficiently specific).

Basically, the FBI is saying, "Look, maybe we could run the test, but the results would be useless in court anyway, so let's not bother."

 

[charok]

passionflowers comment about caylees hair concerns me too...i too see the thinning of the hair, means to me( and im not an expert in any way) but i wonder if it could be related to drug exposure or maybe malnutrition..i took wonder why most pics of caylee have dark circles, that haunted look to them.
i also wonder if running drug tests on a live subjects hair vs a dead subjects hair would the results be the same, regardless if the subject is alive or dead?. again not a expert,but is there any possibilty that the drugs may not ( somehow) show up on a dead persons hair like it would a live persons( i know, grasping for ANY kind of straw here)....makes me at least wonder..

 

[joypath]

The FBI did not test for chloroform because such tests are not "deemed probative" according to the FBI. This could mean, for example, that (1) the test tends to come up negative even if chloroform has been used (i.e., the test is insufficiently sensitive), or (2) the test tends to give false positives even if chloroform has not been used (i.e., the test is insufficiently specific).

Basically, the FBI is saying, "Look, maybe we could run the test, but the results would be useless in court anyway, so let's not bother."

Absolutely the best explanation EVER in the vernacular!, may you share that skill with your brethern JDs! And just 'cause I can, would add that the chemical properties of chloroform make it the type of substance that kinda/sorta needs to be "picked up" rather quickly after dosing and if it were present, it would be in the body fat,liver & kidneys vs hair & bone.

In short, to "zap" Ms Anthony with the hard proof of dosing Caylee with chloroform, one would need analytical material retrieved immediately post mortem or a confession of truth! IMO!!!!

 

[wenwe4]

Somehow I don't think kc would go to great lengths to put all of this into place. I tend to lean towards the drugging Caylee w/benedryl or if Caylee was like my oldest daughter - she would react opposite to drugs (also can be seen a lot with kids w/ADD or ADHD). When my child was nearly 2 years old, she reached for a cup on the counter that I had just microwaved water in. The water in the correll mug was boiling when I brought it out, I had just turned around when she grabbed the handle of the mug (which I stupidly pointed towards the edge of the counter). My little girl pulled her hand away but her fingers were still crooked around the handle and the boiling water dumped down her little arm. She received 2nd & 3rd degree burns. At the hospital, they gave her an adult dose of morphine to calm her and settle her pain (incrementally) and she was totally wired! Eventually they discovered she needed a different medication approach to calm and relax her. Now to the point of this awful story . . . I had to give her a dose of actifed or sudafed syrup (I can't remember which) 30 minutes before each dressing change (daily @ the hospital for weeks). By the time we would arrive in the car to get her bandages changed she would be passed out and we could gently change her bandages without further terrorizing her and putting her in more pain. I think she would sleep about 3 or 4 hours (IIRC).

 

[AZlawyer]

Absolutely the best explanation EVER in the vernacular!, may you share that skill with your brethern JDs! And just 'cause I can, would add that the chemical properties of chloroform make it the type of substance that kinda/sorta needs to be "picked up" rather quickly after dosing and if it were present, it would be in the body fat,liver & kidneys vs hair & bone.

In short, to "zap" Ms Anthony with the hard proof of dosing Caylee with chloroform, one would need analytical material retrieved immediately post mortem or a confession of truth! IMO!!!!

And, BTW, I pointed out in the "All About Chloroform #2" thread that an episode of CSI (named by KC on a social website as one of her favorite shows) that aired May 15, 2008 mentioned that chloroform could not be detected in someone's blood because it "disappears too quickly."

 

[Charleyann]

Does anybody remember this husband and wife team from Canada,who murdered three teenage girls including Karla's own baby sister?

Anyaway, Karla worked at a Vet's office. Apparantly they used choloform on animals. She brought it home to drug her sister so her fiance (Paul at the time) could rape her.

Karla's 15 -year old sister ended up dying from a overdose of this. She choked on her own vomit and died before they even knew. Paul was still raping her at the time.

The cloroform caused burn marks to Tammy face and police never clued in...

I wonder if something similiar happened with Caylee?

Charleyann

 

[Astraea]

Does anybody remember this husband and wife team from Canada,who murdered three teenage girls including Karla's own baby sister?

Anyaway, Karla worked at a Vet's office. Apparantly they used choloform on animals. She brought it home to drug her sister so her fiance (Paul at the time) could rape her.

Karla's 15 -year old sister ended up dying from a overdose of this. She choked on her own vomit and died before they even knew. Paul was still raping her at the time.

The cloroform caused burn marks to Tammy face and police never clued in...

I wonder if something similiar happened with Caylee?

Charleyann

This case is now used as an example here in Canada for many different law classes. They dosed her with animal tranquilizers and then halothane when she was waking. Here is the link for Halothane...not chloroform.


[ame]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halothane[/ame]


ETA link for chloroform

[ame]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chloroform[/ame]

 

[magic-cat]

Does anybody remember this husband and wife team from Canada,who murdered three teenage girls including Karla's own baby sister?

Anyaway, Karla worked at a Vet's office. Apparantly they used choloform on animals. She brought it home to drug her sister so her fiance (Paul at the time) could rape her.

Karla's 15 -year old sister ended up dying from a overdose of this. She choked on her own vomit and died before they even knew. Paul was still raping her at the time.

The cloroform caused burn marks to Tammy face and police never clued in...

I wonder if something similiar happened with Caylee?

Charleyann

You made a lightbulb go off in my head! We have all been so busily wondering what possible reason there could have been for the duct tape that was around Caylee's face all the way around into her hair...perhaps KC DID mess up and burn the baby with a chloroform rag and put the duct tape on to COVER UP THE BURNS!!!

I also wonder, since Caylee's hair had been sitting in a swamp and underwater for SO long if that could have negated any of the tests. In other words, maybe the fact the hair was underwater for all that time erased whatever drugs may have been present, or somehow invalidated the tests? Also they did not test for EVERY class of drugs...and also there is the question of how long one must be exposed to or ingest a drug before it would show up in the hair...

Just because it wasn't there in a test does not mean it was never used.

 

[Aedrys]

You made a lightbulb go off in my head! We have all been so busily wondering what possible reason there could have been for the duct tape that was around Caylee's face all the way around into her hair...perhaps KC DID mess up and burn the baby with a chloroform rag and put the duct tape on to COVER UP THE BURNS!!!

I also wonder, since Caylee's hair had been sitting in a swamp and underwater for SO long if that could have negated any of the tests. In other words, maybe the fact the hair was underwater for all that time erased whatever drugs may have been present, or somehow invalidated the tests? Also they did not test for EVERY class of drugs...and also there is the question of how long one must be exposed to or ingest a drug before it would show up in the hair...

Just because it wasn't there in a test does not mean it was never used.

Maybe the reason the car seat is important is that the Chloroform made Caylee throw up on it? Would they able to tell if the stains on the car seat had chloroform in them? And maybe, horribly, Caylee died from her own vomit? OMG, I got nauseous typing that.

And OMG, I can totally see Casey covering up the burns so she wouldn't have to look at them anymore. There's no way she'd able to explain a burned face to CA. That is just HORRIBLE!

 

[Harmony 2]

Maybe the reason the car seat is important is that the Chloroform made Caylee throw up on it? Would they able to tell if the stains on the car seat had chloroform in them? And maybe, horribly, Caylee died from her own vomit? OMG, I got nauseous typing that.

And OMG, I can totally see Casey covering up the burns so she wouldn't have to look at them anymore. There's no way she'd able to explain a burned face to CA. That is just HORRIBLE!

In my notes...

Car seat- Q47 or (OCSO- Q45) did not have blood and no chloroform was detected. No mention of vomit. Fine head hairs were found but none exhibited decomposition.

Sorry no link... I will see if I can find where I got that info from...

Edited to add link for no chloroform on car seat: pg. 26 and pg 32 http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/11174-11207.pdf

Also on that link- pg 27 “no obvious putrefactive odors were noted”

 

[LambChop]

I think if we were to look at the tone in KC's texting to boy friends we would see when KC starts to become disenchanted with being a mother. Maybe that's when KC resorted to using the drugs. The fact that KC complained in jail of being unable to get Caylee down to sleep says a lot about a motive to use drugs to get the baby down. Unfortunately people do do this to their children....me, I used a nice warm glass of milk. Hey, it still works for me. JMO

 

[Aedrys]

In my notes...

Car seat- Q47 or (OCSO- Q45) did not have blood and no chloroform was detected. No mention of vomit. Fine head hairs were found but none exhibited decomposition.

Sorry no link... I will see if I can find where I got that info from...

Edited to add link for no chloroform on car seat: pg. 26 http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/11174-11207.pdf

Thank you. I hadn't realized that they had done tests on the carseat yet. I knew they had it, but hadn't heard about actual testing done on it. Oh well, that throws my theory out the window...

 

[logicalgirl]

Thank you. I hadn't realized that they had done tests on the carseat yet. I knew they had it, but hadn't heard about actual testing done on it. Oh well, that throws my theory out the window...

Did we ever find out if they tested all of the car seats?