WESH: Duct Tape Info in the Document Release

[KenoshaKid]

What I noticed in last night's playing of the 8/14 tape was when CA says "We have nothing" meaning they have nothing to go on to help find Caylee, KC interprets to mean that they have nothing emotionally and she jumps in to show how deprived she is in jail with no one to comfort her.

Re: the duct tape: I think this could still be argued as an accident. Think of this scenario: KC leaves in a rage, Caylee is sobbing and wants her grandma. KC can't stand the sobbing and quickly pulls over and slaps some duct tape over her mouth, in such haste that she gets it in her hair. She doesn't care - she is furious and want the silence. Caylee continues to cry uncontrollably under the duct tape and either suffocates or chokes to death. KC feels guilty so she adds the heart sticker and the toys from home. She is afraid she will be charged with murder so she discards the body and acts as if everything is fine and Caylee is with Zanny. I think this is all they;ve got for a defense.
They can discount carpet fibers and dog hairs as transfer evidence as Caylee lived in the home. If they can prove overdose thru the tox reports, I think thats the true kicker. I think they could weasel out of the duct tape on the mouth. JMO...

 

[magic-cat]

Big high 5 from me also:clap::woohoo::woohoo::clap:

THIS is a cause for HIGH FIVES unlike the "other" high five that is still raw in our memories!

I can't believe anyone would want to defend a child killer --- I also find it hard to believe that he ever really though that she was innocent.....

Remember he knows a different Casey than the one WE all presumably know...the REAL Casey...ugh!

I am cautiously optimistic about the next doc dump. I have a few concerns about the wording from the 'source' - in that they did NOT specify fingerprints. I know we are all assuming that is going to be what is released, but I think I am going to wait and see exactly what the report says before I start doing cartwheels - I don't want to take the chance of injuring myself prematurely

I'm with you. I will wait to see what IS actually there before I get TOO happy about it.

I imagine G, C and L are spinning their wheels trying to conjure up an explanation for the fingerprints on the duct tape. Something tells me they are not going to arrive at a reasonable conclusion.

They have never needed a reasonable conclusion to buy into Casey's lies...they will twist and contort any piece of information to continue to "believe" in her innocence...when in truth, they do not "believe" in her at all. They KNOW what she has done and they are covering it up for her.:furious:

If it didn't happen it was not very smart of George to say it did.

That information, coming from GEORGE, (who obviously loves and supports Casey) is VERY damaging. It also tightens the timeline.

IMO

Or muddies it, depending if it WAS truth he spoke, which is kinda doubtful.

You can do that?? What will you tell them? You're expecting a huge dump?
:blowkiss:

You tell them exactly THAT...Websleuths are expecting documents so NOBODY should expect anything from us while we dissect them!:crazy:

Don't know it if has been discussed, but what if Casey truly has more than one personality and she can reveal them to anyone out of fear?

True multiple personality disorder is extremely rare. And when it is authentic, the personalities are not even AWARE of one another. And that girl is not afraid of anything.

Thanks, Lin. I understand that legally premeditation can happen in the blink of an eye. I guess something so brutal as duct-taping a live child speaks of momentary rage to me, which goes against a long planning scenario. More of an impulse thing. Overall, computer searches notwithstanding, I tend to think it was a rage killing.

A rage that had lasted for Caylee's entire life perhaps!

Just to clarify so you all don't think I'm a flippin' idiot -- Obviously if she put duct tape on her live child she meant to kill her. I just was thinking that to plan for months to do it that way is extremely bizarre. Forget the technical definition of premeditation -- it just seems like there are so many other less disgusting ways to kill a defenseless baby if you've been thinking it through for months. Eek, this discussion is making me queasy.

i'm thinking there would be prints on both side ends of the tape. That would be necessary to apply it.

Not necessarily. IF she wrapped it COMPLETELY around Caylee's head, she could have just torn it off at the end.

If the media doesn't get them ALL up right away, I will go and get my own copy. For Websleuthers only, of course... heh

We love you Muzikman!

 

[Capri]

from Wesh media thread:

ORLANDO, Fla. -- The state released over 1,100 pages of evidence to Casey Anthony’s defense team on Monday.

According to a source close to the investigation, test results from the FBI crime lab on the duct tape found on slain toddler Caylee Anthony's skull are in that new batch of evidence.

When asked by WESH 2's Bob Kealing if Casey Anthony’s fingerprints were on the duct tape, a source with direct knowledge of the investigation said, "This is not going to be good news for the defense."

Very carefully worded, don't you think. If no fingerprints, there are still lots of other ways to link, palmprints, saliva/DNA, etc ....

 

[Dev]

What I noticed in last night's playing of the 8/14 tape was when CA says "We have nothing" meaning they have nothing to go on to help find Caylee, KC interprets to mean that they have nothing emotionally and she jumps in to show how deprived she is in jail with no one to comfort her.

Re: the duct tape: I think this could still be argued as an accident. Think of this scenario: KC leaves in a rage, Caylee is sobbing and wants her grandma. KC can't stand the sobbing and quickly pulls over and slaps some duct tape over her mouth, in such haste that she gets it in her hair. She doesn't care - she is furious and want the silence. Caylee continues to cry uncontrollably under the duct tape and either suffocates or chokes to death. KC feels guilty so she adds the heart sticker and the toys from home. She is afraid she will be charged with murder so she discards the body and acts as if everything is fine and Caylee is with Zanny. I think this is all they;ve got for a defense.
They can discount carpet fibers and dog hairs as transfer evidence as Caylee lived in the home. If they can prove overdose thru the tox reports, I think thats the true kicker. I think they could weasel out of the duct tape on the mouth. JMO...

You make several good points. Like many here, I went with the covering-up-accident idea at times. Your scenario sounds like a rage killing, which might be another possibility. If that is what happened, though, I think it was done because of rage towards her mother (CA), more than rage towards Caylee. The thing about KC is, it's amazing how she, a 22-yr-old, still seems in her mind to have her mommy as the absolute central figure in her life. I mean, this is normal for a small child, but when someone gets older, nature is supposed to make "mommy" be less of a central figure (though they would still love their mother a great deal, as a normal adult would.)
But the heart sticker changed things for me. I found that absolutely chilling. It seemed like mockery to me. It also is, IMO, one of those things that tend to show that the perp is very, very close to the victim--not a stranger. Like when police notice a victim whose face was covered up after they were murdered--in those cases, I think they start looking at persons who were very close to the victim.
With her going out and getting that "bella vida" tattoo and apparently ignoring Caylee's so-called disappearance and her weird online message to her mother ("everyone lies, everyone dies") and HER smelly car, etc., I don't think they even need her fingerprints on the duct tape to prove their case. So many of her actions were so callous, and a jury will not forgive such callousness.

 

[Everly]

If any of Caylee's saliva or possibly vomitus or minute amounts of blood made it onto the duct tape, there's a lot that could possibly be learned from it. Drugs? Drugs that could be linked to the Anthony medicine cabinet?

 

[cuppy199]

What I noticed in last night's playing of the 8/14 tape was when CA says "We have nothing" meaning they have nothing to go on to help find Caylee, KC interprets to mean that they have nothing emotionally and she jumps in to show how deprived she is in jail with no one to comfort her.

Re: the duct tape: I think this could still be argued as an accident. Think of this scenario: KC leaves in a rage, Caylee is sobbing and wants her grandma. KC can't stand the sobbing and quickly pulls over and slaps some duct tape over her mouth, in such haste that she gets it in her hair. She doesn't care - she is furious and want the silence. Caylee continues to cry uncontrollably under the duct tape and either suffocates or chokes to death. KC feels guilty so she adds the heart sticker and the toys from home. She is afraid she will be charged with murder so she discards the body and acts as if everything is fine and Caylee is with Zanny. I think this is all they;ve got for a defense.
They can discount carpet fibers and dog hairs as transfer evidence as Caylee lived in the home. If they can prove overdose thru the tox reports, I think thats the true kicker. I think they could weasel out of the duct tape on the mouth. JMO...

What you just discribed wouldnt be considered a accident in the eyes of the law. You dont just put tape on your childs mouth and say whoops I meant to just quite her up. Even if KC cracked and decided to end Caylee life in the last 30 seconds of Caylee life thats still concerned premeditation. And putting duct tape on a 2year old would cover their mouth and nose wouldnt take a rocket scientist to know that. KC may be young but she isnt brain dead.KC knew exactly what she was doing and it wasnt a accident the tape ended up on Caylee mouth.

 

[cuppy199]

I dont know what to believe at this point. I will just have to wait and see what the doc say. And to be honestly if their were finger prints on the duct tape Im not sure that SA would release that to the public anyway. They have to have some bombshells during trial. JMO

 

[robotdog]

her shoe prints are on the tape

Moooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

 

[Lanie]

If any of Caylee's saliva or possibly vomitus or minute amounts of blood made it onto the duct tape, there's a lot that could possibly be learned from it. Drugs? Drugs that could be linked to the Anthony medicine cabinet?

From the way the remains were found, it seems pretty apparent there was a lot of water flow, etc. While possible, it is unlikely much in the way of organic matter is going to be left after all that water runoff, exposure, and time.
Lanie

 

[karenmamo]

Would KC-fingerprint-laden duct tape provide overwhelming evidence of premeditation? Certainly it supports guilt...but isn't it still possible that KC could claim an accident and cover-up? Granted, she would have to take the stand to claim that...

I guess I'm just hoping something shows up in the tox screen of poor Caylee's hair -- IMO, that would more strongly support premeditation.

That 'accident' ship sailed out months ago.:woohoo::woohoo:

 

[Lanie]

I'm choosing to wait for the doc dump before I get too excited about fingerprints. DOC DUMP, YAY!!!!
Lanie

 

[Capri]

her shoe prints are on the tape

Moooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

LOL, now that's creative thinking...we could only hope!:clap:

 

[zadari]

her DNA is all over the Tape

have no worries

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz i will go take a nap

now that i have settled that


stick a devils pitch fork in her, she will soon be in prison with her other devil pals

i hate her guts

i hate her too ,i will never forget how caylee has touched my heart

 

[robotdog]

LOL, now that's creative thinking...we could only hope!:clap:

:blowkiss::blowkiss:

 

[robotdog]

i hate her too ,i will never forget how caylee has touched my heart

yep, she is going down

 

[lin]

I dont know what to believe at this point. I will just have to wait and see what the doc say. And to be honestly if their were finger prints on the duct tape Im not sure that SA would release that to the public anyway. They have to have some bombshells during trial. JMO

I agree; just like some wanted to wait to do cartwheels after the release, I'll wait to be disappointed. I think that there's either fingerprints and local6 got it wrong or something just as compelling. From the way the report is worded, I think whatever it turns out to be is connected to the duct tape, not the bags, etc.

 

[lin]

That 'accident' ship sailed out months ago.:woohoo::woohoo:

July 16th, wasn't it? The good ship 'Here's your chance to change your story' left the dock forever.

 

[wanetta]

From the way the remains were found, it seems pretty apparent there was a lot of water flow, etc. While possible, it is unlikely much in the way of organic matter is going to be left after all that water runoff, exposure, and time.
Lanie

That' what I'm thinking also -- I hope R.K. (meter guy) interview with L.E. is in doc dump -- would like to hear his description of exactly what he saw - i.e. duct tape, whether loose or tight, etc.

 

[Macushla]

Well now I am glad I did not start my cartwheels early! I agree with the poster who said every doc dump is 'not good news for the defense'. I think the documents are going to be informative, but I am not sure we are going to see anything that is even close to a 'smoking gun'. This forum has done so much investigating, cross referencing info, tracking down pings, etc. I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of the info in the documents are things that WS people already know, they just haven't seen official proof of it yet. Having said that, I am hoping there is 'something' that jumps right out because I want as much damning evidence as possible for the trial.

 

[nanny1]

I neeeeeeeeeeeeeeed doc dump,I NEEEEEEEEEED doc dump now!!!!