Wesley Hadsell Arrested 21-22 March 2015

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  • #441
Was this the first time FRANKLIN was mentioned?


JMHO, could that bbm be one reason for WH sister response when AJ was found on April 9th?

Just thinking ... and

I seem to recall, when news broke that AJ had been found at the Franklin house, that WH's sister had a sudden change in her thinking. She was seen on video news clip stating that WH told her he was working in Franklin. This conversation occurred prior to AJ going missing.


Reflecting back on this conversation is what changed her mind from believing WH was completely innocent, to thinking that he might somehow be involved.

Sorry, I have no link. But, this is what I remember. So, take it with a grain of salt. My memory could be false.
 
  • #442
Just thinking ... and

I seem to recall, when news broke that AJ had been found at the Franklin house, that WH's sister had a sudden change in her thinking. She was seen on video news clip stating that WH told her he was working in Franklin. This conversation occurred prior to AJ going missing.


Reflecting back on this conversation is what changed her mind from believing WH was completely innocent, to thinking that he might somehow be involved.

Sorry, I have no link. But, this is what I remember. So, take it with a grain of salt. My memory could be false.

I remember this, too. At first, it was all about the owner's last name was Stokes (As in Wendy Hadsell Stokes) but that turned out to be a coincidence (correct me if I'm wrong, guys). At any rate, she must have known he as in that area at some point and it hit home. Just throwing out some thoughts, JMO.
 
  • #443
I'm pretty sure most of us here digging around knew it was the same family name long before WH's sister did. I honestly can't say why she reacted the way she did, unless it was because she knew or had been told he was working in the same general location at the time AJ went missing.
 
  • #444
With the new information coming out there is ONE BIG thing that to me, says it all... Who AJ's phone was close to/with at the time of what they are calling abduction... Which when you think about it could be considered a LOT of time... Like from the time SM stopped until the time of filing the missing person report.. I can picture DB sitting in his hotel room texting about how she had been doing heroin for weeks now... He was trying set it up from the very beginning because he knew HOW she died...! In MHO I don't think she was into drugs. That is just the vibe I get from the beginning until now. Who knows maybe WH pulled Z aside right after he got there to help search and gave him the *heads up* " I guess AJ has been doing some pretty hard drugs lately.. dude"

Just my opinion

Who is this DB you're referring to sitting in his hotel room texting? Are you actually referring to Wes Hadsell there, or someone else?
 
  • #445
Care to elaborate on that at all? I can't even imagine how maddening this all must be for you. Aside from the sick, heartbreaking fact that it happened, but all the lies and junk afterward.


I am just reading all the speculation. Stuff that didn't even enter my imagination, like Anjelica having some kind of attraction to mr. dude. It's just hard to read, but unfortunately imagining the possibilities helps let some of the pieces fit into place. I am VERY confused still. I know he saw her last and lied about that. Unless you count the kid who saw her driving and the white car. I believe that is inaccurate because I have heard he didn't realize the seriousness of the situation until a couple days into it and his memory of time wasn't spot on, so I really doubt it comes into play. I also doubt there was a fight Sunday like people want to say. Not sure why that one persists. My girls insist there wasn't. But there are plenty of things that are strange. Number one - how did they find the house where she was at?? He surely didn't tell them and phone ping information should have been much quicker. If I find out she was alive for any amount of time after that Monday then it's gonna be real tough and some people are gonna have some answering to do. There are other confusing things, like why were the bullets reported missing on the MPR? Then they are hidden in his hotel room? Makes no sense. First of all, he apparently made it clear to people he had them, along with the break in, he knew he would be put in jail - without a doubt, so he was HOPING to be in jail. That says guilt by itself. But something is weird about the bullets. And Mr. Hadsell says his wife made that report and he didn't know about the bullets being reported. He joked with me on the phone from jail that he moved the bullets from their hiding spot (not sure where that was, either the house or the park I gathered) during the search on the first Saturday. So just not sure what the deal is with these bullets. I mean he had to know that cops would eventually check him out, but he was setting this whole static between him and the cops up from the beginning - talking about how they aren't doing their job. Shoot, they had helicopters doing basically what he felt they should do. They staked out Corey's house 24/7, not to mention constantly being by their house. The police were all over it. Their best detectives and many of them. Homicide from the beginning - they said cause they are the best at locating missing people, not cause they suspected murder. Hmm.. Anyway, many more weird things that are out of place, like the pond - which reportedly just happens to be owned by a popular "reformed" drug dealer's parents and he lives there off and on, maybe more on. Why would Wes throw anything into that pond? There are 5 houses surrounding that pond, but there are water ways completely unseen by anyone only half a mile away. If someone pulled over to throw the phone real quick then number one, the neighbor who reported to have seen the van would have likely only seen the back or the front of it, since a quick drive by from the main road puts it at that direction to his house. The way he described, he saw the whole thing with the name and everything, which means it likely pulled in across the street, off the main road, and stopped. To me, that might mean he stopped there for some other reason - looking for something? Also, I don't know why they only searched 1/4 of the pond. The pond is small enough to be able to throw a phone all the way across (unless a witness said it was thrown from the car), so they either found something or some other tip led them away or something else, not sure what - don't think they would stage the entire search to cover up doing something else. But believe me there are more 'weird' things. Why were my flyers taken down and I was treated like trash? What's up with the note? The dodge caravan and/or white truck at that house? Mrs. Hadsell's behavior. Drew Hadsell coming out on social media days before the ME report saying Wes was using heroin. The text messages which, according to tall tale Hadsell said a few things, but yet he only told the news the fact that they said (not saying her name in this sentence) was using heroin. He forgot to mention the other parts like her stating she thought Wes was her true father. And she was angry at her mom for how she was treating Wes. So who knows if they said that and what else they said, but if they did, either there is an Anjelica that is nuts and is totally different that the Anjelica I knew most of her life, not to mention other people, or that Wes wrote the texts. Who else would write those? Plug in any scenario as to what happened and using her phone to write those particular messages don't make sense in conjunction with everything else....

It's pretty sad that this is what I write first thing in the morning, while my girls are still asleep. I should know better. Bad way to start a day. But the stuff is always there. Might as well let you guys chew on it a little. There is tons more too, but some came from Mr. Hadsell so I don't know what to make of it. Some is just speculation and may mean nothing. Some of it is just pure anger or some other emotion, like I wish Mr. Hadsell's ex-wife would have been clear to me about what happened between him and her, when I spoke to her in 2010, instead of being vague and just calling him a con man and a liar. That's enough for now...
 
  • #446
With the new information coming out there is ONE BIG thing that to me, says it all... Who AJ's phone was close to/with at the time of what they are calling abduction... Which when you think about it could be considered a LOT of time... Like from the time SM stopped until the time of filing the missing person report.. I can picture DB sitting in his hotel room texting about how she had been doing heroin for weeks now... He was trying set it up from the very beginning because he knew HOW she died...! In MHO I don't think she was into drugs. That is just the vibe I get from the beginning until now. Who knows maybe WH pulled Z aside right after he got there to help search and gave him the *heads up* " I guess AJ has been doing some pretty hard drugs lately.. dude"

Just my opinion

Who is DB? No Wes never said ANYTHING to me about her using drugs until April 8, from jail and that was after multiple phone calls when he DIDN'T say anything about the texts or her alleged drug use. I am certain it is a myth. She did not use drugs. In fact, she was mad about the fact that he used drugs and if anything would not be talking to him because of it. From what I gather. I didn't talk much with Anjelica after she got adopted. I took her out bowling and maybe skating, but the adoption really bothered me. I raised that child and loved (love) her dearly. So it hurt. Anyway, I didn't know how she really felt about Mr. Hadsell, but I have heard the relationship was strained for around a year or more.

I mentioned drug use early on as a possibility for a couple reasons - number one, it was logical deduction of the possibilities and a much better scenario than her being abducted and/or killed. Number two, something in my gut told me her death wasn't violent. And I have never seen Wes violent, except to throw temper tantrums. He is just a big child really. It's sad, cause he has the heart of a child in a lot of ways too, on top of the mind of a child - a very intelligent child mind you.

I write on here because I believe there are people reading this that really deserve answers. They might be reading. That includes family and friends, but also people who really put their hearts into worrying for Anjelica and her family. Too bad Mrs. Hadsell wouldn't speak up.
 
  • #447
So many possibilities really but I do find it weird that she had no SM or contact with her closest friends after Sunday night. I just don't really buy that or get that. I just don't. Okay, maybe she didn't post on Twitter or FaceBook but I just don't buy that she did not text or communicate with ANY of her friends especially if she did get into a fight with her mom or boyfriend (ex) or whatever. IMO. Maybe the police and the family and friends are keeping that as some kind of closed evidence. Also, I do think that the person that saw AJ come and go that afternoon did see her (at least her leaving the house) but could be possible someone else was driving the truck at the 2pm sighting or even someone that could pass for AJ as a cover. I don't think that if WH did it that he didn't act alone or that someone else helped him willingly or not knowing but dragged into it and has their own illegal actions they are covering for.


That is kinda weird that no social media. I don't know this to be actually true though. I haven't checked. But I guess many did, so it is probably true. I always kinda thought she must have been taken from the house around noon. That's pretty early for having a heroin party, I would think, but someone that knew that she would be home alone and people would be coming home at 2:30, would need time. Lunch breaks are good times for abductions I guess. Anyway, I discount the sighting in the afternoon as being from another day. And it is VERY likely other people (person?) knows A LOT. Like where that house she was found was. Doubt he spilled that and phone pings would hopefully have come MUCH sooner. Maybe it was a house he dreamed of owning and told someone about before all this.
 
  • #448
Just thinking ... and

I seem to recall, when news broke that AJ had been found at the Franklin house, that WH's sister had a sudden change in her thinking. She was seen on video news clip stating that WH told her he was working in Franklin. This conversation occurred prior to AJ going missing.


Reflecting back on this conversation is what changed her mind from believing WH was completely innocent, to thinking that he might somehow be involved.

Sorry, I have no link. But, this is what I remember. So, take it with a grain of salt. My memory could be false.

Mr. Hadsell had been working in Franklin for a good while. I'm thinking over a year. There is a project/s there that his company was doing and he told me his boss lives out that way. Pond is about 10 miles N. of Franklin. House is about 20 miles S. and about 1/2 mi from NC border.
 
  • #449
Thanks for all of your thoughts, Zach. Can you tell us your reaction to the search warrant for WH specifying possible abduction and murder? I hate typing that :(
 
  • #450
Thanks for all of your thoughts, Zach. Can you tell us your reaction to the search warrant for WH specifying possible abduction and murder? I hate typing that :(


It really wasn't anything new. It was obvious the police considered that just by hearing Wes's interview with Fisher the morning after he got put in jail. They obviously considered him very strongly. I really don't understand all the hush hush by the police. Still haven't called it a homicide and still no person of interest let alone suspect. Very frustrating, cause ya want to just be super pissed and just know exactly what happened and who to be mad at, but ya gotta hold back just a little cause there is some doubt and missing pieces.

The news about the heroin charges hit us first and hit pretty hard. Lotta tears. But my girls learn to keep living and not let this evil sit with them. Gotta love em for that.
 
  • #451
It really wasn't anything new. It was obvious the police considered that just by hearing Wes's interview with Fisher the morning after he got put in jail. They obviously considered him very strongly. I really don't understand all the hush hush by the police. Still haven't called it a homicide and still no person of interest let alone suspect. Very frustrating, cause ya want to just be super pissed and just know exactly what happened and who to be mad at, but ya gotta hold back just a little cause there is some doubt and missing pieces.

The news about the heroin charges hit us first and hit pretty hard. Lotta tears. But my girls learn to keep living and not let this evil sit with them. Gotta love em for that.
So glad the girls have you to help cope. I hope you have people to lean on for you too!
 
  • #452
RSBM..

Anyway, many more weird things that are out of place, like the pond - which reportedly just happens to be owned by a popular "reformed" drug dealer's parents and he lives there off and on, maybe more on. Why would Wes throw anything into that pond?

...What's up with the note?...

... The text messages which, according to tall tale Hadsell said a few things, but yet he only told the news the fact that they said (not saying her name in this sentence) was using heroin. He forgot to mention the other parts like her stating she thought Wes was her true father. And she was angry at her mom for how she was treating Wes. So who knows if they said that and what else they said, but if they did, either there is an Anjelica that is nuts and is totally different that the Anjelica I knew most of her life, not to mention other people, or that Wes wrote the texts. Who else would write those? ...

It is like they had a very precise gps ping on a phone, or someone told them a gun or phone had been tossed specifically in that part of the pond.

Can you elaborate on the note?

This third part makes me seriously ill and sounds exactly like the kind of thing Wes would think up. If AJ is anything like what we think she was like, that kind of conversation is one she would have over voice with her mother or in person, not via text after "running away." He seemed to have a lot of evidence early on to reduce his culpability - see, she loved me. see, she was just trying to get away from YOU Jen. See, she was already using heroin. Then he realize trying to cast blame on CF was a better idea. The early "evidence "and the resulting scenario he cooked up didn't match up.
 
  • #453
Thanks for sharing your thoughts this morning Zach. It's probably not easy to do, so I appreciate you taking the time.

I know there are quite a few people here (myself included) that just poured our hearts, souls, time and resources into finding answers (and justice) when AJ first went missing, and after they found her. She really did become "one of ours" and she always will be. Yep, there is a TON of speculation (mostly because there are so many sketch-bags involved) and a lot of that has to do with local PD not confirming or denying anything publicly.

I do hope the answers come SOON and everyone (because I still don't believe WH was the only one involved here) who had a hand in this, in ANY way, is brought to justice.
 
  • #454
Zach, thank you so much for coming on and sharing with us. We truly care about AJ and want whoever is responsible to be accountable for this horrendous tragedy. She was a beauty and seemed so sweet. You did a good job with her. I do have a few questions if you feel like coming back on with us.
If Jen knew he was a con man and a liar back in 2010, why would she stay with him? She had to know of his past as well.
Did she (and others) call Wes in to the investigation thinking he would get to the bottom of things?
I am confused about the bullets as well. Why not throw them away or give them away? Why put half in the vent and leave the other half on the table in plain sight? Did he go into the station voluntarily? Wouldn't a guy like WH know that LE would search his room at some point? I agree with you, he's like a child in a lot of ways.
When you say WH was the last person to see her - do you mean when he came by that morning to bring the red truck? Could he and AJ have gotten into an argument? I'm trying to figure out why LE used the word 'abduction'. My mind goes to 'forcibly removed' when I hear that word. Is there any truth at all to the GoPro/$200/gas station or is that just Wes speak trying to cause more confusion? Thank you again for your time and I will pray for healing for you and your girls.
 
  • #455
RSBM..



It is like they had a very precise gps ping on a phone, or someone told them a gun or phone had been tossed specifically in that part of the pond.

Can you elaborate on the note?

This third part makes me seriously ill and sounds exactly like the kind of thing Wes would think up. If AJ is anything like what we think she was like, that kind of conversation is one she would have over voice with her mother or in person, not via text after "running away." He seemed to have a lot of evidence early on to reduce his culpability - see, she loved me. see, she was just trying to get away from YOU Jen. See, she was already using heroin. Then he realize trying to cast blame on CF was a better idea. The early "evidence "and the resulting scenario he cooked up didn't match up.

All I want to say about the note is it was short and vague and sounded like something Anjelica would write and it looks like her handwriting and sounded pretty down. It's a personal thing and I really don't know if she wrote it, so I don't want to elaborate. I wouldn't know why she would write something like that or how somebody else would get her to write it. On the other hand, I am 99.9% certain she did not write the texts.
 
  • #456
Thanks for sharing your thoughts this morning Zach. It's probably not easy to do, so I appreciate you taking the time.

I know there are quite a few people here (myself included) that just poured our hearts, souls, time and resources into finding answers (and justice) when AJ first went missing, and after they found her. She really did become "one of ours" and she always will be. Yep, there is a TON of speculation (mostly because there are so many sketch-bags involved) and a lot of that has to do with local PD not confirming or denying anything publicly.

I do hope the answers come SOON and everyone (because I still don't believe WH was the only one involved here) who had a hand in this, in ANY way, is brought to justice.

I know. Very many people that I will probably never meet and maybe some that I have already met have poured and still pour their hearts out. Kinda too bad everything is anonymous. I don't do anonymous. I am Zach. Like it or leave it.
 
  • #457
So glad the girls have you to help cope. I hope you have people to lean on for you too!


I have been through a lot of things in my life and have grown pretty independent because of it. I get my help in little bits here and there. Nothing too intimate.
 
  • #458
All I want to say about the note is it was short and vague and sounded like something Anjelica would write and it looks like her handwriting and sounded pretty down. It's a personal thing and I really don't know if she wrote it, so I don't want to elaborate. I wouldn't know why she would write something like that or how somebody else would get her to write it. On the other hand, I am 99.9% certain she did not write the texts.

Thank you for sharing even this much. It is a good reminder that this story is so much more complex than it seems.
 
  • #459
I am another "anonymous" person that has come to care very deeply for Anjelica, as well as you, Zach, and her sisters. I think through her being one of "our own" here at Longwood as well as WebSleuths, I feel a strong bond with her. I have a daughter too, and my heart breaks every time I read your posts, Zach, as I think what I would do if something happened to her. My husband is such a kind soul and loves our daughter (like I feel you do your daughters), and I can't imagine if something ever happened between he and I (doubtful...we're going on 25 years of marriage), that I could bring a man like WH into her life. God forbid! Our choices deeply affect our children, too.

May God continue to work in this situation. I am so hopeful by the new "movement" in AJ's case and I pray that we are closer to justice for her!
 
  • #460
I have been through a lot of things in my life and have grown pretty independent because of it. I get my help in little bits here and there. Nothing too intimate.

Oh, and my faith is really the main thing I have to lean on. I read the bible and go to church and talk with people about my faith. The gift in return for repentance and submission to God is peace, so I try to put love first and be on my knees to the Almighty but sometimes life gets going pretty hard and fast. This experience has been supernatural though and even though it seems like the worst curse upon my family, it has brought me closer to God. Part of that is seeing the power of evil and therefore knowing that love is greater than that power so I must bow to my heavenly creator if only to beg for protection for my family when I can't protect them.
 
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