West of Memphis

[gheckso]

When you want to have a civil discussion about it let me know. Until then you can go read up on callahans and see what I am talking about.

I think it's pretty obvious why he was bumping his post. And based on your last post I thought it deserved another.

 

[kyleb]

It's obvious that many people like to imagine solid alibis for the three can be cobbled together from the various witnesses statements available at Callahan, but the notion that one needs others to meet their terms of civil discussion to demonstrate as much is absurd, as is imagining one is bumping a post by quoting it.

 

[ceecee30]

It's obvious that many people like to imagine solid alibis for the three can be cobbled together from the various witnesses statements available at Callahan, but the notion that one needs others to meet their terms of civil discussion to demonstrate as much is absurd, as is imagining one is bumping a post by quoting it.

Just as obvious that the WM3 should not have been found guilty on such circumstantial evidence.

It's truth the WMPD did an awful job of investigating

Off topic... Do you have any idea on the statistics of child murder?

As in how often it's a stranger that isn't a RSO as oppose to say parents, step parents , siblings etc.

 

[kyleb]

Just as obvious that the WM3 should not have been found guilty on such circumstantial evidence.

It's obvious one has to dream up a wide array of excuses to disregard the evidence to cling to that conclusion, as this forum alone is full of examples of such.

It's truth the WMPD did an awful job of investigating

While the WMPD's investigation was far from perfect, expecting anything close to perfection from a the police department of a small and impoverished town is absurd.

As for your off topic, I've seen some statistics on the matter, but feel free to private message me with any you might like me to see.

 

[ceecee30]

It's obvious one has to dream up a wide array of excuses to disregard the evidence to cling to that conclusion, as this forum alone is full of examples of such.


While the WMPD's investigation was far from perfect, expecting anything close to perfection from a the police department of a small and impoverished town is absurd.

As for your off topic, I've seen some statistics on the matter, but feel free to private message me with any you might like me to see.

Just so everyone else can see the point I'm making here (hope this link works)

http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/htus8008.pdf

This is an American study, so it's relevant... Collated between 1980 and 2008.

That makes WM3 in the 3% bracket which seems highly unlikely... To me anyway



As for WMPD it's the same size as the town I grew up in and we had a few murder cases which have always gotten solved correctly, just because the town is small doesn't mean the states police resources don't stretch to it..

 

[kyleb]

The WMPD did did get assistance from state police, and they solved the murders correctly. You're never going to be able to comprehend as much from looking at statistics though, and particularly not from statistics for the wrong age group.

 

[Compassionate Reader]

The pdf didn't open right for me. However, I once read that something like 60% of all children killed before the age of twelve were killed by a family member. When friends of the family were included, the numbers jumped up into the 90% range. I lost that link when my computer crashed a few months' back, but I remember it distinctly. I agree that it makes the likelihood of the murderers being Damien, Jason and Jessie remote. Of course, that doesn't prove their innocence, but, IMO, it's another brick in the wall of reasonable doubt.

 

[reedus23]

Nor have I claimed you did, but rather I simply noted the fact that you obviously hadn't bumped the thread as my reason for inquiring as to what you might've otherwise meant.


The post you quoted is still right where it was, as posts remain fixed in their order throughout threads. Nobody can't rightly bump a post, by quoting it or otherwise, and your attempt to berate me for respecting such facts is absurd.


That's an incredibly superficial take on my stated position here.

And a prime example of the inane topics you choose to argue about.

 

[reedus23]

Just as obvious that the WM3 should not have been found guilty on such circumstantial evidence.

It's truth the WMPD did an awful job of investigating

Off topic... Do you have any idea on the statistics of child murder?

As in how often it's a stranger that isn't a RSO as oppose to say parents, step parents , siblings etc.

Well said and good questions. Regardless of guilt or not, the investigation was flawed from the get go. The repeated interviews of someone like Aaron Hutcheson while not interviewing at all a step parent is absurd and no matter how much kyle might like to, there is no defending that.

 

[reedus23]

It's obvious one has to dream up a wide array of excuses to disregard the evidence to cling to that conclusion, as this forum alone is full of examples of such.

For whatever reason, I really believe you sit behind your computer laughing when you type stuff like this. There is no way you can believe the stuff that you type.

While the WMPD's investigation was far from perfect, expecting anything close to perfection from a the police department of a small and impoverished town is absurd.

Far from perfect...understatement of the thread. The rest is BS excuses. They had more help offered to them than they knew what to do with. Their tunnel vision and ineptitude is what caused them to not fully take advantage of those offers.

 

[reedus23]

As for WMPD it's the same size as the town I grew up in and we had a few murder cases which have always gotten solved correctly, just because the town is small doesn't mean the states police resources don't stretch to it..

Thanks for the info ceecee. I've bookmarked it to read it more closely later too. Thanks.

As to the WMPD size, that's just a BS argument much like the State of Arkansas couldn't afford to prosecute the WM3 again so decided to let 3 murderers go free instead. Nonsensical and so is claiming the WMPD is so small it can't investigate a homicide. Besides, it wasn't about the resources available, it was more about the ineptitude of those in charge and that doesn't change regardless of how much money they have.

 

[reedus23]

The WMPD did did get assistance from state police, and they solved the murders correctly. You're never going to be able to comprehend as much from looking at statistics though, and particularly not from statistics for the wrong age group.

And one cannot honestly assess the evidence or lack of it as long as one continues to wear blinders.

 

[kyleb]

Can you provide any evidence to support your claim that the WMPD took less than full advantage of offers of assistance? And no, regardless of how much you might believe I'm laughing, that's far from the truth.

 

[reedus23]

Can you provide any evidence to support your claim that the WMPD took less than full advantage of offers of assistance? And no, regardless of how much you might believe I'm laughing, that's far from the truth.

Yes. It can be found here. http://www.wm3blackboard.com/bb2-0/index.php

I don't even have to look it up and know they never followed through with the FBI's offer.

 

[ceecee30]

The pdf didn't open right for me. However, I once read that something like 60% of all children killed before the age of twelve were killed by a family member. When friends of the family were included, the numbers jumped up into the 90% range. I lost that link when my computer crashed a few months' back, but I remember it distinctly. I agree that it makes the likelihood of the murderers being Damien, Jason and Jessie remote. Of course, that doesn't prove their innocence, but, IMO, it's another brick in the wall of reasonable doubt.

Sorry I'm on my iPhone, I wasn't sure if it worked it not, I'll alert my post and see if mods can fix my link, otherwise ill do it tomorrow when my baby is released form hospital.

The WMPD did did get assistance from state police, and they solved the murders correctly. You're never going to be able to comprehend as much from looking at statistics though, and particularly not from statistics for the wrong age group.

I used a picture that eludes to under 5's yes because it wasn't broken down in picture form for the age bracket i was after and i wanted to attach picture incase my link didn't work and as i stated above I'm doing all this via iPhone but if you read the link the data is much the same for children over 5 as well.

Can't comprehend from statistics??? Statistics are derived from FACTS, ACTUAL MURDERS, how could facts and actual murder data be incorrect?

 

[kyleb]

Yes. It can be found here. http://www.wm3blackboard.com/bb2-0/index.php

Did you paste the wrong link, or are you contending the index page of the Blackboard evidences your claim?

if you read the link the data is much the same for children over 5 as well.

On what page can one find the data you are alluding to here?

Can't comprehend from statistics??? Statistics are derived from FACTS, ACTUAL MURDERS, how could facts and actual murder data be incorrect?

Trends can be comprehend from statistics, but whether or not a particular insistence followed a trend cannot.

 

[ceecee30]

Trends can be comprehend from statistics, but whether or not a particular insistence flowed a trend cannot.

Your not making a lot of sense there....

 

[kyleb]

I'd apparently fumbled my spellchecking and wound up with an erroneous word. Please see my now edited post. And again I'm still wondering, on what page of the document you linked can one find the data you are alluding to?

 

[ceecee30]

I'd apparently fumbled my spellchecking and wound up with an erroneous word. Please see my now edited post. And again I'm still wondering, on what page of the document you linked can one find the data you are alluding to?

On page 16, you will find the ages broken down this data is done via age, sex and race so the figures are different.

There are numerous publications on child victims and their offenders, but this generally related to offenders in the prison system which I know you'll rebuff due to relevance. But it still backs the theory of it being more likely for a family member to kill a child rather than a stranger.

You can choose to discredit every link I put up but the FACTS and data is there to prove that children victims are far more likely to know their attacker/murderer than not.

 

[reedus23]

Did you paste the wrong link, or are you contending the index page of the Blackboard evidences your claim?

I am sure you can find it on that site if you look hard enough.