WFTV Exclusive: Plea deal next Monday on Check Fraud Charges

[Themis]

Reading the news about KCs plea makes me wonder if "Miss Thang" is feeling so much pressure she just might cave before the main event next summer. :chicken: :deal:
She better not...:nono:

Betcha.

 

[trixi491]

So if she won't be doing any additional time (only be getting time served) and this won't count as a conviction (if I'm understanding the whole adjunction thing), what is the state or AH really getting out of this?

 

[RR0004]

Perfectly understandable. One of the reasons the criminal law system exists is to handle "retribution" in a socially acceptable way. Your need for retribution is an expected part of that process.

However, the criminal justice system is a system that seeks resolution. It does not necessarily seek the truth, justice, and .......................
full satisfaction! (You thought I was going to say "the American way." didn't you?) It is about resolution. It seeks an end to the matter. It may not be the end a particular person would like or the manner of getting to that end that the person wants, but it will be an end to the matter being prosecuted.

It definitely leaves me wanting...

 

[BonKai]

I think she did more or less

that she decided she would steal, lie, do whatever she had to to find Caylee...IIRC

Yes, it was all very Scarlett O'Hara of her.

 

[RR0004]

So if she won't be doing any additional time (only be getting time served) and this won't count as a conviction (if I'm understanding the whole adjunction thing), what is the state or AH really getting out of this?

See the emotional side of me wants this to be part of a bigger deal...but it may just simply be the end to this.

 

[RR0004]

Thank you Muzikman! I have been gone for awhile (thank you H1N1) and it's good to see the same old faces (ha ha) like you still keeping on top of this story for us! I miss you WS'rs I feel so much better hearing posts from what feels like old friends now. R0004 and OLG, Chiquita, etc., your posts have made me laugh and cry since returning -

Looks like KC's going to be suffering from a case of the mondays........

Good to see you Gma Kat. Hope you're all better.

:blowkiss: :blowkiss:

 

[cecybeans]

I think AL is experienced enough to know that, even factoring the percentage of possible wrongfully accused defendants in a capital case, the odds are generally that the accused is guilty after a seasoned grand jury has convened. She is not a crusader for anything but exchanging DP for LWOP. Frankly, I'm not all that sure she really cares if her clients are guilty or not, as long as she checks all the boxes to make sure the trial is fair and unlikely to blow up in an ineffective counsel claim and she can make sure the sentence is LWOP not death, she's pretty much done her job.

Twice now, she has mentioned the "pressure" a DP case puts on a defendant to plea (both at the last motion and in her recent NBC am interview). This may be a harbinger of what is to come - laying the groundwork for a plea in the capital case and she is simply outlining the euphemistic excuse that will be given as to why.

Since JB recently mentioned to KB he wanted to plea out the check fraud trial IIRC, I'd imagine it was his client being recalcitrant on that count and he had been trying for some time to get her to go in that direction (unless he was lying to make it look better). Somehow I think she enjoys the limelight and is a bit jealous of the notoriety her parents seem to seek. I'm thinking someone had to very patiently explain to her how her appearance at this trial would backfire and could impact her upcoming murder trial. This also leads me to believe that this may be the most prudent thing for JB.

As our dear Little Bitty and I have frequently discussed, he could either recuse himself at the last minute, saying his client will not listen to his advice and he cannot in clear conscience continue to represent her (which would preserve the last modicum of a future reputation for him anywhere in the legal field) or get his client to plea out. I think he has always been about milking this to further his own reputation - when it gets to the point that it becomes a liability, I'd say he will cut the cord and get her to plea rather than be associated with the case. It's already served his purpose to him.

Obviously he was hoping to do that in the check fraud case because no one was deposed. But how about the capital case? Is the reason we haven't seen much of anything on his dime being done, after the preliminary depos, because he doesn't want to pay for something that will be unnecessary?

Seriously, if it turns out he meant to have his client plea at the murder trial, but took us, the state of Florida and its good citizens on this Mr. Toad's Wild Media Ride simply to further his own career, I hope somebody somewhere changes something about the system so that attorneys cannot exploit clients (particularly those who have exploited the victim for their own financial benefit) without serious consequences. Officers of the court need to be above and beyond that level of scumminess, even if our politicians aren't.

 

[MD MOMMY]

I think AL is experienced enough to know that, even factoring the percentage of possible wrongfully accused defendants in a capital case, the odds are generally that the accused is guilty after a seasoned grand jury has convened. She is not a crusader for anything but exchanging DP for LWOP. Frankly, I'm not all that sure she really cares if her clients are guilty or not, as long as she checks all the boxes to make sure the trial is fair and unlikely to blow up in an ineffective counsel claim and she can make sure the sentence is LWOP not death, she's pretty much done her job.

Twice now, she has mentioned the "pressure" a DP case puts on a defendant to plea (both at the last motion and in her recent NBC am interview). This may be a harbinger of what is to come - laying the groundwork for a plea in the capital case and she is simply outlining the euphemistic excuse that will be given as to why.

Since JB recently mentioned to KB he wanted to plea out the check fraud trial IIRC, I'd imagine it was his client being recalcitrant on that count and he had been trying for some time to get her to go in that direction (unless he was lying to make it look better). Somehow I think she enjoys the limelight and is a bit jealous of the notoriety her parents seem to seek. I'm thinking someone had to very patiently explain to her how her appearance at this trial would backfire and could impact her upcoming murder trial. This also leads me to believe that this may be the most prudent thing for JB.

As our dear Little Bitty and I have frequently discussed, he could either recuse himself at the last minute, saying his client will not listen to his advice and he cannot in clear conscience continue to represent her (which would preserve the last modicum of a future reputation for him anywhere in the legal field) or get his client to plea out. I think he has always been about milking this to further his own reputation - when it gets to the point that it becomes a liability, I'd say he will cut the cord and get her to plea rather than be associated with the case. It's already served his purpose to him.

Obviously he was hoping to do that in the check fraud case because no one was deposed. But how about the capital case? Is the reason we haven't seen much of anything on his dime being done, after the preliminary depos, because he doesn't want to pay for something that will be unnecessary?

Seriously, if it turns out he meant to have his client plea at the murder trial, but took us, the state of Florida and its good citizens on this Mr. Toad's Wild Media Ride simply to further his own career, I hope somebody somewhere changes something about the system so that attorneys cannot exploit clients (particularly those who have exploited the victim for their own financial benefit) without serious consequences. Officers of the court need to be above and beyond that level of scumminess, even if our politicians aren't.

I just finished "Angel of Death Row" your first paragraph is DEAD on to what she says in her book. The book is a compilation of several cases she has worked on. A lot of the cases she didn't start from the beginning but rather swooped in during the sentencing phase. She states in her book that she doesn't even ASK if they did it. If something comes out during interviews then fine but sometimes she would rather NOT be in the know.

It's an interesting read and I thank my public library for being on the ball and having it so fast!

ETA..IMO there is no way we will see a plea deal in the murder trial..not with JB and certainly not with AL. I will eat my hat if this happens.

 

[Muzikman]

I just finished "Angel of Death Row" your first paragraph is DEAD on to what she says in her book. The book is a compilation of several cases she has worked on. A lot of the cases she didn't start from the beginning but rather swooped in during the sentencing phase. She states in her book that she doesn't even ASK if they did it. If something comes out during interviews then fine but sometimes she would rather NOT be in the know.

It's an interesting read and I thank my public library for being on the ball and having it so fast!

ETA..IMO there is no way we will see a plea deal in the murder trial..not with JB and certainly not with AL. I will eat my hat if this happens.

Well, what material is your hat made of? :crazy:

 

[sleutherontheside]

Well, what material is your hat made of? :crazy:

If it's made of Henkel duct tape, there may be a delay in digestion. That stuff retains its properties for what seems like "forever".

 

[MD MOMMY]

Well, what material is your hat made of? :crazy:

It's kinda crunchy:waitasec:

 

[littlemisslegal]

Guess we'd better get there early!!! And make sure we know what courtroom it is in. I'm just sayin'...

i will be there! found this in orl sentinal - credit to author
We have official word from Karen Connolly Levey, chief of Due Process Services:
“The State vs. Casey Anthony check fraud trial originally scheduled to begin on Monday, January 25th will not go as planned. However, a status hearing on the check fraud case will be held on the 25th at 1:30 p.m. before Circuit Judge Stan Strickland.
“It is also likely that at least two motions in the murder case will be heard the afternoon of the 25th. Once a docket is set, I will send you information on which motions will be heard.”
Casey Anthony is charged with first-degree murder in the death of her daughter, Caylee.
She is also charged with stealing checks from a friend.
WFTV-Channel 9’s Greg Warmoth said at noon today: “The judge has already ruled that alleged victim Amy Huizenga has a right to get justice before Casey’s murder case.”

 

[littlemisslegal]

i will be there! found this in orl sentinal - credit to author
We have official word from Karen Connolly Levey, chief of Due Process Services:
“The State vs. Casey Anthony check fraud trial originally scheduled to begin on Monday, January 25th will not go as planned. However, a status hearing on the check fraud case will be held on the 25th at 1:30 p.m. before Circuit Judge Stan Strickland.
“It is also likely that at least two motions in the murder case will be heard the afternoon of the 25th. Once a docket is set, I will send you information on which motions will be heard.”
Casey Anthony is charged with first-degree murder in the death of her daughter, Caylee.
She is also charged with stealing checks from a friend.
WFTV-Channel 9’s Greg Warmoth said at noon today: “The judge has already ruled that alleged victim Amy Huizenga has a right to get justice before Casey’s murder case.”

clerk of court site says this== 12/18/2009 CANCELED Hearing (10:00 AM) () Cancelled
STATUS
01/25/2010 Trial (10:00 AM) () Courtroom: TBA

 

[littlemisslegal]

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/anthony_case/011910-anthony-check-fraud-postponed

 

[noonie]

Yep. It was! I hope she pleas, lets move on. She can't face all the people she ripped off! Next........

 

[mitzi]

Ummmm...why waste the time putting that 25 page COV motion together? Was that just an editorial for the defense?

Nah...knowing the defense, they'll just cross out "Check Fraud Case" and add in "Murder Case"....they do love their templates, ya know! :crazy:

 

[sleutherontheside]

Nah...knowing the defense, they'll just cross out "Check Fraud Case" and add in "Murder Case"....they do love their templates, ya know! :crazy:

Perhaps they could submit their motions on a dry erase board.

 

[cyberborg]

I don't want to pour cold water but I don't see any indications of a plea deal, other than speculation.

All we know is that the trial is cancelled and they are doing a Murder trial status hearing on Monday as well as maybe hearing two motions from that case.

Nothing yet on any plea being entered on Monday so don't know if this is wishful thinking or still in the works?

The main things we have heard is that motions have not been heard for the Check Fraud trial together with AH has not been deposed by the Defense.

I hope WFTV has it correct. Don't count your pleas until.........

 

[logicalgirl]

I do not believe any lawyer in their right mind would ever put Casey on the stand in any set of circumstances. It would be a disaster.....of biblical proportions.

You make it really really tempting to give you a snappy answer to "any lawyer in their right mind" The World According!

 

[cecybeans]

Well, what material is your hat made of? :crazy:

LOL - glad nobody said squirrel!

btw - love your siggy!