What case really burns your butt?

The Springfield 3…Sherill Levitt, Suzie Streeter, and Stacy McCall. It haunts me. I am close to the same age as the girls. I think about graduation night and parties. They were supposed to stay the night with a school friend who had also graduated that night. They had gone to her house but the friends house was full of family members who had come for the graduation. This girls mother heard them in the hall. She heard Suzie say “Follow me to my house” and Stacy replied “Okay I will”. It was 2am. At 9am the friend and her boyfriend arrive at Susie’s house, they were concerned because Suzie and Stacy were supposed to meet up at the friends house to go to ‘White Water’ in Branson. When they didn’t show the friend drove over to Susie’s house. They find the door unlocked, an outdoor porch light shade has been broken and the family dog is seemingly upset. There is no one at home but their cars are all still in the driveway. While the friend is there the phone rings and she answers and it is an obscene call. She hangs up and it happens again. The friend and boyfriend innocently sweep up the broken glass because the friend was barefooted. They leave and go to a different water park. As the day proceeds several people will enter the house innocently contaminating the crime scene. Stacy’s mother who has been calling all day and getting no reply eventually reports the three missing. 16 hours have passed. While at the Levitt home looking for the girls Stacy’s mother checks the voicemail and hears a ‘strange message’. Somehow it is deleted. LE has never disclosed, that I know of, what was said in that voicemail.

Every year I hope for a break. There is one guy in prison who says he knows what happened and even though he is in prison in TX he did live in Springfield at the time of the disappearance. Yet he says nothing of import. Just dangling that carrot.

I think the girls came home and something terrible was happening in Sherill Levitts room. LE know the girls got home and at least started getting ready for bed. They found the makeup remover pads where the girls removed their makeup. They found a Coke can half full next to a burnt down cigarette. Suzie and Stacy smoked. They found the clothes Stacy had been wearing neatly folded and laid on the bed. The TV was on but just showed snow. Suzie’s car was not parked in its regular place. According to a friend she always parked in the garage and was a ‘creature of habit’. She obviously took good care of her car.

So total speculation here…Did the girls call Sherill and tell her they were coming home that night? I don’t think so. They planned to stay at the friends and it was only after they got to her house and saw there were tons of relatives there and probably no place to comfortably sleep (these are teen age girls after all they don’t want to sleep on the living room couch with a bunch of people they don’t know parading around come morning) that they decide to go back to Suzies house. We know this because they told the friend and the friends mother heard them discuss it. Why didn’t they go back to Stacy’s house? My speculation is that Suzie was the only child in the home with a single mother so they could probably do whatever they wanted like smoke cigarettes, play TV late and usual teen age stuff. I believe that Sherill probably wasn’t too strict. So they pull up and Suzie does not park in the garage…why? Was there perhaps a vehicle already parked in the garage? Did Sherill have boyfriends over from time to time when Suzie was out? I could see Suzie and Stacy coming in at 2:15am and seeing a car parked in the garage that they probably didn’t know whose was and laughing and saying something like “Ooo moms caught this time she didn’t know we would be back”. So they think nothing about going inside. Maybe they’re curious as to who moms boyfriend is. They just don’t know it’s NOT a boyfriend but a killer. Probably a rapist too. Maybe that was his initial intention.

So one of them gets a Coke out of the fridge. They probably make some noise. The killer had to hear their cars pull up. He has not killed Sherill at this point and tells her to be quiet for the life of her daughter. They go upstairs to Suzies room and start to get ready for bed. They turn on TV and put a video tape in the VCR to watch. Where is the family dog? Unknown. Probably running around the house. Maybe it has come into Suzies room. One of them lights a cigarette. They have removed their makeup. Then something happens. Maybe Sherill started fighting this guy. Yelling for the girls to run. He must have had a gun. Somehow one man got control of three people. It probably wouldn’t be hard. Hold the gun on mother and tell the girls he will blow her away if they don’t do what he wants.

At some point all the women’s pocket books were put together in Suzies room. Why? Who knows. Maybe he was looking for something. He didn’t take her money. $800 was still in Sherills purse…the deposit from her salon. How did he know the daughter wouldn’t be there that night? I have always thought that Sherill knew the killer. Maybe not well. Maybe just an acquaintance or a neighbor or a man who came into her salon. Someone she told that Suzie would be gone for the night with friends. He most likely drove there and parked in the driveway. There was no sign of forced entry. I would say he knocked the lamp off the light on purpose maybe to get Sherill to open the door to see what the noise was. Maybe he did it quietly then knocked on the door and when Sherill tried to turn on the light it didn’t work but she opened the door anyway. Maybe the door was unlocked.

I read somewhere that a woman thought she saw Sherill that morning at 7am driving a green van. It was never verified. It could have been her easily. He couldn’t have driven them…he had to control 3 people. Why didn’t he kill them there in the home? Why did he want their bodies hidden? Maybe he kept them alive for awhile. Horrible to think about. So where are their bodies?

It haunts me.

Sorry if too long…

TLDR - The Springfield Three missing and no bodies found for 30+years and no good suspects.
 
Gilham family murders in Australia. Jeffrey Gilham was convicted of murdering his parents and brother, but a few years later it was over turned on appeal and never re trialed. The evidence shows he is guilty as sin, He married and has kids now and living the good life after inheriting the money from his murdered parents.
 
The Camp Scott murders in 1977,Jon Bonet's murder and the Robin Hill Hood murders. The first one I believe they had the right guy but justice failed those 3 little girls, The second one I've always felt Mom had something to do with it or covered it up and the third,those 3 boys lost 20+ years of their life for something I believe TH did.
 
Listened to a 4pt Podcast on the unsolved 1973 murder of Marion Beattie in Ireland. Very frustrating, really feel for her remaining family.

(Unsure if 'BBC Sounds' or 'Nolan' is available outside UK?)


This is an interesting one, potential miscarriage of justice and suggesting potential link to the Pembrokeshire murders.

BBC Sounds - Crime Next Door, Death on the Farm, 1. What The Postman Saw
 
West Memphis Three - Stevie, Michael and Christopher. My heart is completely broken over that case, I have a son of a similar age to the victims.

Closer to home, the abduction and murder of James Bulger in Bootle, England. It happened in my home city, my dad was a police officer at the time. I was 10 years old and I remember sitting in the school playground with my friends, crying our eyes out. For many of us it was the first time we realised that evil existed.
Was gonna say this. I have a burning need to know who killed those three boys. If I could click my fingers and solve any case, that'd be the one.
 
The Camp Scott murders in 1977,Jon Bonet's murder and the Robin Hill Hood murders. The first one I believe they had the right guy but justice failed those 3 little girls, The second one I've always felt Mom had something to do with it or covered it up and the third,those 3 boys lost 20+ years of their life for something I believe TH did.
When the Girl Scout murdered happened, I was 13 and about to go on a bus trip to their equivalent of a Jamboree in another state. Thankfully, nothing bad happened to any of us.
 
The Boy in the Box in Philadelphia was mine, for the years in between genetic genealogy taking a credible foothold and the solve. That case felt so solvable, finally, thanks to science, and then it was and I’m glad for the outcome.

What burns me now is the thousands of freezers full of potential answers. The unprocessed rape kits, the samples from murders in the 60s through 90s, the thousands (if not tens of thousands) of freezers with untested tissue samples, and the power of big data to get CLOSURE for cases if these samples could make it from biologic to digital. I wish we could do a technical draft and get 20something university bio majors a year of government/veteran service to get drafted and hit the labs and test, load. Test, load. Test load test load test load and let big data and computational DNA analysis show us truth.
I remain obsessed with the technical draft idea and curious what @othram thinks about it.
 
Lane Bryant murders (Lane Bryant shooting - Wikipedia) - five dead, one survived, there was a sexual assault so conceivably there is DNA. Imagine giving that living victim the dignity of closure. Genetic genealogy all the way with this one. I pray someone in LE in suburban Illinois is advocating hard for it.
I have always believed that the local police know exactly who did it, but they haven't made an arrest because it's one of their own, or someone closely connected to the department in some way.

They can't hide forever.
 
Was gonna say this. I have a burning need to know who killed those three boys. If I could click my fingers and solve any case, that'd be the one.

Not a popular view around here, but I firmly believe that Damien and Jason killed those three boys.

I think Jessie thought they were just going to beat up some kids, and he was okay with that part, but when it got worse than he expected, he balked. Hence his multiple confessions.

JMO, no argument starter intended. I don't believe any minds are going to be changed at this point.
 
This is also very frustrating, the 2004 Murder of Alistair Wilson, a 30yr old Banker, in Nairn, Scotland.
A decent 6pt BBC Sounds Podcast from 2017 on the case, and then 2 Eps detailing updates from 2020 and 2022.


 
This is also very frustrating, the 2004 Murder of Alistair Wilson, a 30yr old Banker, in Nairn, Scotland.
A decent 6pt BBC Sounds Podcast from 2017 on the case, and then 2 Eps detailing updates from 2020 and 2022.



I listened to that a while ago, yes, a very frustrating one as is this one.

BBC Scotland - The Strange Death of Innes Ewart
 
My apologies if this has been covered already, I am a newbie. I don't know, man, with so much basically murder *advertiser censored* on our screens from HBO to Discovery, some really excellent Ytube vloggers, and beyond, covering every murdering WTF dirtbag old and new often repeated in other guises from program to program, Fear Thy Neighbor, American Monster, Dateline, and keep going times one hundred, it's hard to keep up with as the Jewish faith so eloquently phrase one of extremely poor character such as these murderers: A " NEBBISH." Perfect, aint it? But every once in a while a case hoofs up that really gets under the skin that u can't get out of your head, for why, I don't know. I should, I am a former psychologist and I have covered that with colleagues in the past, to no avail, from newbie qualified to old dog, none of us had an answer, why? For me it was the two <modsnip> who killed Cassie Jo Stoddart - that haunts me and I don't know why? Casey Marie Anthony burns my wife's *advertiser censored*, mention that name and she freaks out - she'd scratch her eyes out given half a chance. So, the crux of the matter: we watch literally hundreds of murder documentaries (murder *advertiser censored*) and we are meh to 99.9% of them - just the right amount of self righteous indignation to make ourselves feel good, to justify our voyeurism into the real life macabre. So why does everybody have a special pet murder case that can't be shaken. Y'all know what I'm talking about - that one case that rankles and itches.

My apologies if this has been covered already, I am a newbie. I don't know, man, with so much basically murder *advertiser censored* on our screens from HBO to Discovery, some really excellent Ytube vloggers, and beyond, covering every murdering WTF dirtbag old and new often repeated in other guises from program to program, Fear Thy Neighbor, American Monster, Dateline, and keep going times one hundred, it's hard to keep up with as the Jewish faith so eloquently phrase one of extremely poor character such as these murderers: A " NEBBISH." Perfect, aint it? But every once in a while a case hoofs up that really gets under the skin that u can't get out of your head, for why, I don't know. I should, I am a former psychologist and I have covered that with colleagues in the past, to no avail, from newbie qualified to old dog, none of us had an answer, why? For me it was the two <modsnip> who killed Cassie Jo Stoddart - that haunts me and I don't know why? Casey Marie Anthony burns my wife's *advertiser censored*, mention that name and she freaks out - she'd scratch her eyes out given half a chance. So, the crux of the matter: we watch literally hundreds of murder documentaries (murder *advertiser censored*) and we are meh to 99.9% of them - just the right amount of self righteous indignation to make ourselves feel good, to justify our voyeurism into the real life macabre. So why does everybody have a special pet murder case that can't be shaken. Y'all know what I'm talking about - that one case that rankles and itches.
Zodiac! It is definitely the one that I am constantly saying what's going on with this?? With all the DNA technology we have isn't there anything they can test? There were living victims to talk to as well. I have heard the theory that some think it was more than 1 person but I don't know if I believe that.
 
Name: Elizabeth Doren
Date: January 22, 1994
Case Number: 9400220019
Location: Anchor Road, Altamonte Springs
On January 22, 1994, the body of Elizabeth “Lizzy” Doren, w/f 26 years old, was recovered from a ditch on Anchor Road, just north of S.R. 436 in Altamonte Springs. She was inside a cardboard box which had been sealed with duct tape. Doren was last seen alive on January 19, 1994, between 0530 and 0600 hours when she left her apartment, located at 1521 Americana Boulevard, Orlando, on foot.
 

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